Nice to see a strict adherence to the topic!
Pot - Kettle - Black
It is sweet to see so little interest in DB😉
FYI
I don’t
Start your own thread then
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So …… we are back to being antagonist!
Just remember….you started …
I think I like your response better as an antagonist… welcome back😇
Marc…errr I mean ATP… DID interact with me on Twitter in a perfectly pleasant way about tennis last year
Pure lie!
I’ve never posted on Twitter!
Perhaps someone else … Dr. Watson!
Just when everyone was getting along 
Wake up Francise— Cardiovascular Conditioning was being discussed! Let me guess… your next debate tactic…… runners need to practice running for training skills… not for the conditioning purposes. Never occurs to HiTers both can occur simultaneously. 
You’re not forgiven!
FYI
Bill DeSimone’s new books are great!
He likes cardio also! However, in my opinion he is wrong about high intensity intervals being unnecessary!
I believe that aerobic conditioning allows trainees to recover more efficiently from their weight training activities.
I have always believed this.
But if you run or bike too often,however,the activities take something away(read that as you will be depleted)from your strength training.
You can only do so much and if your overdo it and thus prevent proper recovery,you will not train well.
However,moderate aerobic activity has so many benefits relative to the cardiovascular system that it’s shortsighted not to do some each week,even for a hard gainer.
Make sure that enough calories are ingested to make up for any shortfall caused by additional activity.
The above is from an article by Dr.Ken Leistner. It’s from one of the steel tip newsletters.
I corresponded with Dr.Ken over the years. The last time was about about a year before his death.
At that time I was 54 years old. He told me walking was underrated,easier to recover from,easier on the joints than jogging,any type of running.
I try to do this in conjunction with hard training. Most of the time it’s some form of HIT.
Having said that,try doing a 20-30 rep rest pause set of DB deadlifts with 100 pound bells. It might take close to 20 minutes. By the end my pulse was around 135.
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Dr Ken was right, walking is a very underrated activity. Many people don’t do enough of it. For many it sits right in the zone 1 to zone 2 kind of activity ( depending on fitness levels/ walking speed/ hills etc) that we should be doing a lot more of.
Too many people equate effective cardio as being runs until you feel that your lungs are going to burst. That was me, till about ten years ago. I always seemed to hammer every cardio session. Treated my cardio like I treated my weights…same HIT mentality. Not good.
Since reading around the topic, I’ve learnt to slow it all right down, apart from the odd occasion, for the good of my health and longevity.
It’s a shame that Dr Ken couldn’t take his own advice earlier in his life. He seemed the same as me, always pushing the envelope in whatever physical activity that he did. I remember reading in “The Steel Tip” a monstrous rowing erg workout that he recommended. Even in my “committed days” I baulked at that one. I think it was something like two sets of 10,000 metre rows…although I could be wrong. My memory ain’t what it used to be.
I do wonder if the constant intensity of his training was somehow perhaps a contributory factor to Dr Ken’s untimely passing.
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We talked about the aging lifter. Doc and his guys and as suggested to me is still quite simple. His words not jazzed up.
My questions revolved around the trap bar and DB work. As well as other moves for variety.
Pick a few moves that you can do and do them well. Do them strict. Don’t worry about what you can’t do. With deadlifts or squats 10 rep sets are easier to recover from that 20 rep sets.
We talked about different exercises. I told him what I can do. If I’m doing the same moves twice a week,the second day use about 60% less weight. If my low back is sore only do that move once a week for a few weeks.
I have several pages of emails. Some from 1999 and other from a few years ago.
I bought a Nautilus compound leg from him in 1999. When I went to pick it up he and a few of his guys helped me break it down and load it in my pickup truck. It was a sight to see. My loaded truck that is.
That’s how I got to correspond with him. He helped me with a few questions about the Compound leg.
Regarding his death,his daughter came online and explained it. So it did not sound like HIT contributed.
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Wow , I missed that … can you tell what she said ? I’ve been wondering since it happened what the cause was. I remember they said someone would fill us in but somehow I missed it.
Thanks .
Don’t derail my thread with the bickering of cardio
ENOUGH
Where is the HiT cardio police when the post is not on DB?.
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I wish I could but I forgot the details.
To the best of my recollection, he had a genetic anomaly that was the major contributing factor to his passing. How he trained had nothing to do with it.
that sounds right
Just to rile a few of you up, get you back on task, Drew Baye will be competing again in 12 weeks(?) in an Orlando competition. My guess is he will bring home more medals.
I only think that will rile one of us up…
For myself I find Mr Baye a bit abrasive in terms of personality ( there are a few in the HIT community like that, and I sometimes wonder if they think that it is a prerequisite of being a HIT devotee…that you have to take on some of Arthur’s persona in order to get your message across). So I choose not to listen to what he has to say, because that persona does not draw me in.
On the flip side of that, I would always pay attention to the likes of the late, and sadly missed Roger Schwab, a true gentleman, never seemed to have a bad word to say about anybody. This was despite the fact that I didn’t always agree with everything that he had to say, ( not a great pre exhaust training fan, even though it was his preferred method of training) but his personality required that I had great respect for his views and was prepared to listen.
Sometimes the message can be lost in the delivery, or in forgetting that your target audience is diverse and that not all of them will respond to a one size fits all approach.
Still, regardless of his style, and the method of approach regarding the support of his training, I wish Mr Baye well in his upcoming competitive endeavours.
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To add to my last post ( and on topic as he has been mentioned in this thread), I remember Dr Ken once writing about the fact that he would rather associate and debate with someone who was diametrically opposed to him in terms of his views on training, but who was a respectful and nice individual, rather than a complete ashle who agreed with everything he said.
Wise words from the late, great Dr…
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