Everyone says Tren kills cardio… yet mma fighters get popped for it. What is the actual physiological mechanism by which it kills cardio? To me it seems it more so causes a shortness of breath, it wouldn’t make sense to me that it kills your aerobic capacity. I’ve heard some anecdote of guys using Nasacort while on Tren and having it completely fix the shortness of breath issue. Can someone with some good perspective chime in?
Interesting — but is this the same mechanism by which Tren seems to cause shortness of breath short term? By some people reportedly within 3 days of running an ester like acetate
No, @anon18050987 is merely pointing out that using trenbolone places ENORMOUS amounts of stress on the body.
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If you’re referring to a study wherein subjects are given trenbolone + stanozolol/oxadrolone… not a chance. The ethics committee would never grant approval for such a study. I haven’t heard of a tren/var combo being popular, but tren/winny is. The Anabolic Doc (Thomas O Connor) states on his youtube channel that within his practice he sees heart disease develop at “absolutely unprecedented rates” on tren/winny combos.
If the study in question revolves around allowing subjects to self administer these drugs… then maybe, but even then quality control would be poor (dosages aren’t standardised due to UGL drugs and oxandrolone is commonly faked).
I can link some decent literature regarding studies that monitor health status of those self administering AAS if you’d like (some of these studies include the self administration of T3, GH, beta 2 agonists etc in conjunction with AAS). Within one study several subjects develop SEVERE dyslipidemia (HDL of 2-7mg/dl!)
To be fair, Trenbolone hexahydrobenzylcarbonate was successfully given to humans for a while. Generally speaking though trenbolone is an absurdly harsh drug, I don’t see why people would wish to use it unless they were competing within the realm of bodybuilding and/or strength sports. For the average gymbro the cost/benefit ratio is just SOOOOO skewed towards risk.
I’ve got a decent study that I’ll link here for you (off topic)
Look at the dosage given! This is the highest I’ve ever seen clinically administered (well that and 150mg oxymetholone/day). Perhaps @flipcollar might be interested too. A little over a year back he asked me if there had ever been legitimate clinical trials using high dosages. I linked a trial where methyltestosterone was given at something like 200mg/day… but only for a duration of 2-3 days, this is far juicier 
holy crap, 1200mg a week? That is quite a high dose for a study.
I’ve probably mentioned this before, I bought tren ace a few years ago. I used it for like… 3 weeks? Maybe even less. Couldn’t handle the cough, it destroyed me.
When has a high end/‘name’/ UFC guy tested for Tren.??
Among other things would make it hell to stay in your weight class
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Was surprised when Fabricio Werdum popped for it.
In my experience most of the guys caught get pinged forTest, Masteron, EQ and Sarms. Personally I’ve never heard of a guy getting caught for Tren. Besides winny I can’t think of anything less beneficial to MMA than Tren.
A lot of guys use winny, people associate winny with joint pain but they take bodybuilder doses which is why. Athletes take much lower doses. I’ve seen a lot of mma guys on forums talking about Tren not affecting their cardio at all, which maybe because of how insane the aerobic capacity of some of these guys is
You mean in terms of gaining too much weight? I’d say Tren would help you stay in your weight class by making you recomp while getting a shit ton stronger
I’ve used winny getting ready for competition using metabolic conditioning style training Along with sparring and it was the worst idea. I picked up 2 injuries on it. That’s not definitive, but it’s my experience. Again, in my experience, I see very few mma and BJJ guys using winny for that reason and Tren because of the supposed cardio issues. I’m no longer involved in the pro circuit though, so I can’t say what the current trends are.
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