“Daddy, why is the sky blue?”
“Because Ray says it is, squirt.”
[quote]sasquatch wrote:
Thirdly, how many people describe a fight and describe the loss of ???ACP-TB??? as the reason for fatigue and hence, defeat.[/quote]
Don’t you watch UFC?
[quote]Wiggum88 wrote:
Yes, this story really happened. I know all the big guys who posted on this thread would like to believe that being heavier and lifting heavy weights makes you a better fighter, but that’s bullshit.
Like I said, my buddy was an accomplished wrestler in high school and wrestled for the Marines. That’s no small feat. Wrestlers are pound for pound the strongest athletes in the world. (Except for maybe gymnasts).
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And Olympic lifters. And many powerlifters. And NCAA/NFL football players.
And I don’t think the issue I have is with ‘fighting’ or who is the better ‘fighter’. I think I mentioned that I thought all that - for grown men - was pretty fucking silly.
I just don’t believe you. I don’t think it happened. I think you’re a liar. And I think that you’re probably gay. Gay and in love with your friend there. What’s his name? The one you love? The other gay guy? That guy. Your lover. Him.
[quote]Wiggum88 wrote:
Yes, this story really happened. I know all the big guys who posted on this thread would like to believe that being heavier and lifting heavy weights makes you a better fighter, but that’s bullshit.
Like I said, my buddy was an accomplished wrestler in high school and wrestled for the Marines. That’s no small feat. Wrestlers are pound for pound the strongest athletes in the world. (Except for maybe gymnasts). He was a highly trained athlete.
The big steroid infused, overly tanned douche bag had big muscles…yes. Too bad he had the fitness level of a 90 year old lady. He got caught talking shit and got his ass kicked. Speed, skill and aggressiveness will top strength any day of the week.
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Wait. So now he’s 290 with 10% BF AND ‘steroid infused’? And he can’t DL 500? And he’s not in a wheelchair? At least have a frame of reference before you make up a lie, dude.
[quote]Wiggum88 wrote:
Hack Wilson wrote:
Wiggum88 wrote:
Hack Wilson wrote:
Wiggum88 wrote:
Hack Wilson wrote:
settle it over a tap-out fight? what the fuck is that? did you meet after study hall behind the gym? gay.
besides, i think it’s made up.
Yeah, I thought that was more civil than taking a quarter plate and breaking the fucker’s jaw. Did I mention that the gym also has a martial arts dojo? MMA guys train there all the time. Ground fighting and grappling are a regular occurance. I know it’s probably not the spandex-wearing, tanning bed having, plate loaded machine infested globo-gym conglomerate that your used to working out at, but I enjoy going there.
Oh, yeah. That’s me. You’d make it 2 mintues in a workout with me. Count on that.
Unless you’ve been to SERE’s school like I have, I highly doubt it.
First off, I don’t believe your post. It sounds like highschool fantasy bullshit to me. I don’t think that everyone ‘does MMA’ as they boast, and I think it’s possible that your friend does not even exist. He sounds like an imagined idea of what YOU would like to be. Either that or you have some unrequited man-love thing going on here.
Second, if this guy was really 290 and 10% BF and could not deadlift that weight then he’s either got a dislocated back or…again…the story is made up. I think the latter.
Third, I don’t know what the Sere school is and I most certainly have not been there. But after four years in an NCAA Division One Strength and Conditioning program, three years in NFL offseason and in-season programs, and 10-plus years training as international level olympic lifter and national level (raw) powerlifter, I think it’s safe to say my workouts are still - even at the ripe age of 37 - fairly intense.
I like to hear kids like you say that you could match my - or anyone elses - workout, just not with the same weights. Well, the heavy weights are what make you puke. For instance, last night - in my version of the full-body program - I supersetted full/olympic back squats (i.e. SQUATS - these are what fucking squats ARE, by the way) and dumbbell bench presses.
Two work sets each, 12 reps, static weight. Simple enough, right? Easy. Yeah. I had the bar loaded to 415 for the back squats and used 125-pounders (not hard- just the most I can get on my DBs) for the bench presses.
Followed that up with a superset of barbell rows with 330 for 2 sets of 12 and seated DB military presses with 100-pounders (2 x 12, also). Whole workout took 50 minutes. Try that one some time.
Never heard of SERE’s school? Ok, let me tell you about the indoc I had to go through with my recon unit just to qualify to go.
20 pullups with 40lb radio pack.
4 mile run with 60lb ruck, boots, utes, M16. Must be completed in 40 minutes.
Another 15 pullups with 40lb radio pack.
Swim 5000 meters with full gear, (I forget the time)
And once all this was finished you had to run a PFT and get at least a 275 score.
This was just the indoc with MY UNIT! I had to go through another one once I got to Texas. Then another at the school in Washington.
Fuck your weights. OH WOW! 400lb. squats. Try having to evade capture when you haven’t eaten in 3 days, it’s 10 degrees out, and it feels like your guts are gonna spill out because you’ve been moving non-stop for 48 hrs.
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I am being totally honest when I say that I’m not impressed. Seriously. I’m 37 years old and do sets of 12 in the pull-up with more than 40 pounds strapped to my 230 pound ass. As for all the other sit: Sounds tough. About as tough as NCAA two a days…but not quite.
I love how you say fuck the weights. Anyone who was ever comparatively small and weak - like you - and then got a point in which they were NOT small and weak knows that you cannot approximate what heavy weights do to you body, your joints, your CNS. Can’t do it. So I’ll say it again…you coudn’t even get through my fucking warm-up, tough guy.
And you can wet-dream all day about your gay lover buddy, the one you have a hard-on for right now? But just about ANY big, strong, fit, guy who can handle himself in any kind of respectable way could whip his and your little asses, at the same time, any day of the week. And twice on Sunday.
[quote]Wiggum88 wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
I don’t understand why people come to a site dedicated to weightlifting and then try to put it down.
I’m not putting down weightlifting. I love it. Its great. It just annoys me when people post numbers on their lifts and expect respect and oohh’s and aahhh’s. I certainly appreciate the level of effort and dedication that it takes to accomplish some of those lifts, but your not going to get my admiration. Somebody like Dan Gable, Michael Johnson, or a Medal of Honor winner is going to get my respect alot sooner than some freak like Dorian Yates.[/quote]
Don’t want no ooh’s and ahhh’s. Just saying you’re full of shit, pal. Pretty simple really. YOU ARE A LIAR! And you don’t even know enough about what you are lying about to LIE WELL! Back to the drawing board.
[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
Wiggum88 wrote:
Yes, this story really happened. I know all the big guys who posted on this thread would like to believe that being heavier and lifting heavy weights makes you a better fighter, but that’s bullshit.
That’s not why people don’t believe your story. Everyone remembers UFC 1, etc.
People don’t believe your story because a) there aren’t a lot of 170 lb. guys pulling 500; b) there aren’t a lot of 290@10% guys who couldn’t pull 500. Somehow you live in a world where little guys are pulling huge amounts of weight, and huge guys are pulling tiny amounts of weight. In this world, people challenge each other to duels when they miss a lift.
I’m sure such a world exists… somehwere… though I’ve never seen such a place. [/quote]
BING! BING! BING! We have a winner!
[quote]Wiggum88 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Wiggum88 wrote:
Yes, this story really happened. I know all the big guys who posted on this thread would like to believe that being heavier and lifting heavy weights makes you a better fighter, but that’s bullshit.
Like I said, my buddy was an accomplished wrestler in high school and wrestled for the Marines. That’s no small feat. Wrestlers are pound for pound the strongest athletes in the world. (Except for maybe gymnasts). He was a highly trained athlete.
The big steroid infused, overly tanned douche bag had big muscles…yes. Too bad he had the fitness level of a 90 year old lady. He got caught talking shit and got his ass kicked. Speed, skill and aggressiveness will top strength any day of the week.
Dude, at least lie better than this. There are very few guys on the planet who would take the years necessary to get up anywhere close to 290lbs at 10% body fat and then risk a serious injury trying to wrestle some 170lbs dude on a mat which would possibly knock them out of training for weeks.
I don’t know any bodybuilder who would even waste the time. That’s just common sense and it makes your little story ridiculous. Beyond that, most larger guys would never worry about some dude less than half his own weight, less known FIGHT him for no damn reason.
I have no doubt you have dreamed of this so many times that it may actually seem real to you now. Some “random” 290lbs dude at 10% body fat…who doesn’t compete? Shouldn’t it be easy to even find a picture of this guy? Most people that damn big aren’t very shy.
Your story is poorly written crap that you wish were true.
I’ll admit that I exagerrated the big guy. He was actually probably more like 250-260 at 15%. Although his upper body sure looked HUGE, I’ve never seen his legs. He always wears those neat little jogging pants. Still though: 1) He didn’t pull the weight, maybe it was because his arms were tired from curling, i don’t know. 2) He talked shit to the wrong motherfucker and got owned.3) He outweighed him by a good 80-90 lbs.
Maybe he doesn’t compete because his legs sucked. I’ve seen him bench 450lbs, but the most I’ve seen him squat was 4 plates on each side.
Prof, in all fairness, I honestly don’t think I could have beat the guy, but my boy “Ray” went into the lower level qualifying rounds for the Olympics at a BW of 76kg. Even at that kind of low level qualifying I think everyone of those guys could have pulled 3x’s bodyweight. They were freaks. And don’t think I don’t respect the kind of commitment and dedication that bodybuilders go through to be good at what they do. I know it takes tremondous amounts of energy and drive. But that guy was an asshole and needed to be brought down a few rungs on his ego.[/quote]
AHHHHHHHHHH! Here we go. The reversal! Tell us this detail: How does ‘your buddy’ Ray’s cock taste? Does it warm your mouth on cold winter nights? Say, after a kick-ass deadlift and 290-pound bodybuilder ass-whip session?
[quote]Wiggum88 wrote:
Hack Wilson wrote:
Wiggum88 wrote:
Hack Wilson wrote:
Wiggum88 wrote:
Hack Wilson wrote:
settle it over a tap-out fight? what the fuck is that? did you meet after study hall behind the gym? gay.
besides, i think it’s made up.
Yeah, I thought that was more civil than taking a quarter plate and breaking the fucker’s jaw. Did I mention that the gym also has a martial arts dojo? MMA guys train there all the time. Ground fighting and grappling are a regular occurance. I know it’s probably not the spandex-wearing, tanning bed having, plate loaded machine infested globo-gym conglomerate that your used to working out at, but I enjoy going there.
Oh, yeah. That’s me. You’d make it 2 mintues in a workout with me. Count on that.
Unless you’ve been to SERE’s school like I have, I highly doubt it.
First off, I don’t believe your post. It sounds like highschool fantasy bullshit to me. I don’t think that everyone ‘does MMA’ as they boast, and I think it’s possible that your friend does not even exist. He sounds like an imagined idea of what YOU would like to be. Either that or you have some unrequited man-love thing going on here.
Second, if this guy was really 290 and 10% BF and could not deadlift that weight then he’s either got a dislocated back or…again…the story is made up. I think the latter.
Third, I don’t know what the Sere school is and I most certainly have not been there. But after four years in an NCAA Division One Strength and Conditioning program, three years in NFL offseason and in-season programs, and 10-plus years training as international level olympic lifter and national level (raw) powerlifter, I think it’s safe to say my workouts are still - even at the ripe age of 37 - fairly intense.
I like to hear kids like you say that you could match my - or anyone elses - workout, just not with the same weights. Well, the heavy weights are what make you puke. For instance, last night - in my version of the full-body program - I supersetted full/olympic back squats (i.e. SQUATS - these are what fucking squats ARE, by the way) and dumbbell bench presses.
Two work sets each, 12 reps, static weight. Simple enough, right? Easy. Yeah. I had the bar loaded to 415 for the back squats and used 125-pounders (not hard- just the most I can get on my DBs) for the bench presses.
Followed that up with a superset of barbell rows with 330 for 2 sets of 12 and seated DB military presses with 100-pounders (2 x 12, also). Whole workout took 50 minutes. Try that one some time.
Sorry if I came across as belittling your strength training to you. I respect your accomplishments. I’m sure you’ve worked hard and earned them. You were an athlete in Division 1 and the NFL, that deserves plenty of kudos.[/quote]
I did work hard and still do. But, I’m still a loser, as many will tell you. Let me put it like this: I’m just a wash-up. Gotta stand on the stage…
In case you can’t tell. I love you, man. And I love this thread! Keep it going! And don’t say nice things about me! I’m as ASSHOLE! ASSSSSHOLE! Tell me off! Put me down! Make me RUE the DAY!