Don't Diet for More Than 8-12 Weeks?

You need to find out what you NEED daily, there are ways to do this… mathematical ways among others, and you need to plan things properly. You need to sit down with a solid plan… not a whole array of articles with oft contradicting techniques.

IME many of the cyclic methods of diet design on this site are more for the type of physique that gets down to single digits, fitness professionals and Bodybuilders etc. They are very useful for those who have the knowledge to choose the best method for them or their clients, but hundreds of lurkers here just get baffled.

You are carb cycling, and calorie cycling… except i suspect you are one of those people who has read far too many articles and confused the fuck out of yourself! i commend your progress i really do - but you need to change your whole thought-set about ‘losing weight’. You dont want to lose weight anymore - you need to improve your composition and ideally stay the same or gain weight now!

I believe you simply dropped calories far too much for far too long and as such lost your weight… but then some.
I may be way off - but from the info you gave, thats how it seems to me.

You need to work with a trainer, someone who knows what they are doing - they can then with your assistance, determine how many calories you need to maintain in a day… from there carb allowances can be designed and even carb cycling, although with your stat’s it is my opinion that is not in the slightest bit necessary.

I am happy to give advice to people in forums - and enjoy it, but i train client’s on-line for a living - so refrain from writing up lengthy diet and training plans on forums :wink:

Anyway, as a general rule, you put ~25% of carbs after training, and more carbs in the morning than the evening - tapered off throughout the day most commonly.

As for meal caloric allowance (as with carb) you need to determine when you train, what your job is, what your lifestyle entails… the full detail of your metabolic ‘fingerprint’ (this is needed to determine your caloric expenditure in the beginning too) GENERALLY speaking (and please don’t follow this blindly, it is NOT specific to you in any way) you would either split meals evenly (6x500kcal=3000kcal) or have higher feeding in morning and PWO with smaller feeding’s in-between and smallest meals last thing at night and PreWO.

Carb cycling when advised, can be easily designed from this standpoint.

You have lost a hell of a lot of muscle over the year… i believe it was down to a very harsh diet over that period, resulting in a starvation response from your body; catabolising metabolic tissues to lower metabolism and provide further energy.

You can calorie cycle or carb cycle or protein cycle, you can train heavy and regular with lots of protein and even limit cardio, but if you are eating an average of 1000kcal-1500kcals at 5’9", you will lose your muscle very fast.

The reason i am telling you to change how you think is because you have come across as the classic bad dieter… if you ever went to eating ‘normally’ you would pile the weight back on, except this time with next to no muscle underneath and all fat.

I would - generally speaking - eat enough to keep you happy… eat clean foods only and slow carbs of any carbs you do eat (breakfast and PWO at least), eat protein… although i do not believe you need as much as you have been eating, and healthy fats… eat a balanced diet at maintenance basically.

If you want to do cardio do no more than 3x/wk and no more than 40-60 mins each session - that way you can trim off any excess calories you ate through exercise instead of diet.

You need to build some metabolic tissue - muscle, or else you will NEVER drop that extra fat you still carry. Never.

JMO :wink:

Man…
Out of all response I have ever gotten on this website, yours is definitely, by far the most complete! :slight_smile:

I am 17, still in school. I am kind of addicted to food so I eat low kcal stuff all day. Like frozen yogurt… I freeze a bunch of bowls and can go eating on for like hours and only take in like 300 cals. Anyway that’s gonna stop and I will set up a proper 6 x (some amount of kcals) meal plan.

My maintenance level is 2700 kcals but i am scared that if i start eating that much right now, I will just pile up some pounds of fat.

I am currently eating around 1800 (on my bad days)- 2400 on good days. But I see very little progress at the gym and fat loss in general. So I will do as you proposed. I will keep 2300-2400 kcal a day my minimun and try to make it up to maintenance.

Another one of my problems though is that by 6 PM I will have eaten only 1000 kcal. So I often shov in the remaining 1300 kcal in that short period of time, and then go to bed. Not good i know.

And I also workout at night so my PWO meal is at like 7-8 pm. Do you think I should still put in all those simple carbs in my drink and eat complex carbs later, even if i work out that late? If i didn’t eat enough throughout the day, should I make up for it at night and shov it all in? Or skip on it?

Sorry for all the questions. Your answers are just too helpful haha

[quote]Aprentice wrote:
Man…
Out of all response I have ever gotten on this website, yours is definitely, by far the most complete! :)[/quote]
Thankyou :wink:

Frozen yogurt during a dieting period is only Ok as a treat or cheat meal… not as something to be eaten all day. It is high in sugar (if not in fat). Bad call.[quote]

My maintenance level is 2700 kcals but i am scared that if i start eating that much right now, I will just pile up some pounds of fat.[/quote]

Thats just it - how do you know this is maintenance? was it measured or calculated very recently or a while back? If it is at this exact time, it is impossible for you to gain weight eating a maintenance diet. IF you are eating 1500kcals a day and not losing weight - then THAT is maintenance. According to your stats i would be inclined to think your maintenance is lower than 2700…[quote]

I am currently eating around 1800 (on my bad days)- 2400 on good days. But I see very little progress at the gym and fat loss in general. So I will do as you proposed. I will keep 2300-2400 kcal a day my minimun and try to make it up to maintenance.[/quote]

Say you eat 1800kcals 3x/wk and 2400kcals for four. This is an average of 2100kcals a day… that is more like your maintenance - add 600kcals to that (2700) and you will surely gain weight.[quote]

Another one of my problems though is that by 6 PM I will have eaten only 1000 kcal. So I often shov in the remaining 1300 kcal in that short period of time, and then go to bed. Not good i know.[/quote]

This isn’t ‘not good’. It is terrible.
I have a fair deal of experience of talking diet and fitness on-line, and one of the main issues is simply that people never tell you everything - you NEEd to ask. This is the reason for my concise posts.
Your first few posts outlined someone who was very dilligent with diet and had all bases covered - carb cycling… the lot. On pressing for more information you actually admit you eat frozen yogurt throughout the day and you binge on food at night after starving throughout the day.

Try this story - i was workning in the North of England a few years ago in a large Gym. A woman i trained had been struggling with losing weight and was blaming my training programmes - so asked her to fill out a diary detailing her food intake over a couple of weeks. She did. the first week was PERFECT (remember what i said about people trying to not tell you the full truth?). The second week was the accurate representation of her true habits (and is the exact reason i asked for 2 weeks logged) and she ate a small low calorie breakfast of pineapple only, then starved for 13 hours before eating a massive 1500kcal meal before bed! Her total calories were ~1500kcals a day and she wondered why she kept storing fat.
That was why.[quote]

And I also workout at night so my PWO meal is at like 7-8 pm. Do you think I should still put in all those simple carbs in my drink and eat complex carbs later, even if i work out that late?[/quote]

Don’t worry… after training one’s body will utilise the energy from the pro and carbs… but dont go crazy… just eat enough to offset immediate catabolism. say 10-25g protein/~3035g simple carbs and any other supps you use (creatine/leucine etc).
If you eat again before bed make it a lean protein with healthy fats and plenty of fibre and if you have trained then include some complex starches. If not trained then cut all carbs before 6pm (or 3-4hrs before bed).[quote]

If i didn’t eat enough throughout the day, should I make up for it at night and shov it all in? Or skip on it?[/quote]

Honestly lad - what the fuck do YOU think? If someone struggling with weight starves throughout the day - should they eat 2000kcals last thing at night?
Just eat during the day - and if you can’t manage that - don’t complain about a lack of results.
It is one thing to lose weight when you are 100lbs over weight… but when you are just 20lb or 30lb over it is a different ballgame altogether.[quote]

Sorry for all the questions. Your answers are just too helpful haha[/quote]

You need to revise your whole plan - for the third time. Seeing as it is now clear you have learnt terms such as ‘Carb Cycling’ but you fail to cut sugary snacks and are binging to meet supposed targets (if your maintenance was that high, trust me you wouldn’t be missing it so often) i am going to leave you to do some work. Stop reading about fancy calorie loading techniques and just eat sensibly. you cannot get the results you want by starving, binging or eating frozen yogurt. But you knew that didn’t you?

Good luck lad. Just put the effort and discipline in - like i and every fucker else has to. there are no magic tricks i’m afraid.
On the plus side, you are just 17 - life begins at 30 :wink:

Alright Brook!
Thanks so much! I feel so much more motivated!

:wink: shoot me the odd PM and i will oblige

haha alright!
Today i split my meals this way:

11:00 400 cal P+C
13:30 250 cal (Post workout) 25g prot 40 g simple carbs
15:00 400 cal P+C
17:00 400 cal P+C
19:00 400 cal P+F
21:00 300 cal P+F

before bed 250 cal P+F

And i had a really intense Legs workout. I crammed in what I used to do in 90 minutes, and did it in 60 :slight_smile:

I have a quick question about the post workout shake. I drink my shake and then I drink about 1.5 L of water (i feel so dehydrated after the gum). Does drinking this much water with the shake reduce the body’s potential of absorving the carbs and protein. In other words, will I just piss it all out?

no.