Woah!
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
Dominator wrote:
I really don’t have a problem with an fed wanting to squat higher, lower, or whatever, just as long as it’s written into the rules and it’s judged accordingly. I just don’t get why that’s so hard?
If the IPA wants to pass hamstring parallel squats, that’s fine with me, just right it into the rules and let the people decide if that the fed they want to compete in.
What are you doing?!?!? This is POWERLIFTING on the INTERNET!
YOURE NOT ALLOWED TO BE REASONABLE![/quote]
LOL!
People do realize the difference between being a peasant or a star in your sport right?
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
People do realize the difference between being a peasant or a star in your sport right?[/quote]
The IPA’s line is “Lifters for Lifters” not “We only care about the pros”.
We all pay the same membership dues and are judged by the same judges. The “peasants” deserve fair judging within the fed as much as the “stars” do.
All I can say is from what I have seen IPA passes Donnie’s squats a lot. Now chuck is squating right, thats the distance I squat too and thats the distance that should be accepted.
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
The single ply and raw nazis…[/quote]
That’s twice in this thread single ply and raw lifters have been called nazis. Seems to me that maybe some other feds should adopt a bit more attention to detail and uniformity, and then debates like this would never happen.
[quote]Tags wrote:
Stronghold wrote:
The single ply and raw nazis…
That’s twice in this thread single ply and raw lifters have been called nazis. Seems to me that maybe some other feds should adopt a bit more attention to detail and uniformity, and then debates like this would never happen.
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Where is there a debate? NO ONE is happy with the lifts that got passed.
[quote]buckeye girl wrote:
Tags wrote:
Stronghold wrote:
The single ply and raw nazis…
That’s twice in this thread single ply and raw lifters have been called nazis. Seems to me that maybe some other feds should adopt a bit more attention to detail and uniformity, and then debates like this would never happen.
Where is there a debate? NO ONE is happy with the lifts that got passed.[/quote]
Your right, debate is not the word, internet bitching would of been much more appropriate.
[quote]buckeye girl wrote:
Tags wrote:
A lot of people seem to have a problem with his total and feel like it is an embarrassment to the sport and enough is enough etc. To that end, I think all of the internet whiners should write a letter to him, or the judges, or the IPA, or whomever. Seriously. I listened to an audio interview over on Elite with Donnie and in it he jokes about how no one can say women gossip more then men because powerlifting is a male dominated sport and everyone is, and I quote, “A cackling hen”. Although he had a lot of useful training info (does any care about that anymore?) in that interview, that may have been his best point.
Unless your his direct competitor, and you received different calls then him, I don’t see why everyone takes an issue with this. Also, I don’t think anyone who has posted on here had their WR total broke by him, so its not like anyone can make that argument either.
If the man walked into any gym I was training at, the last thing I would care to talk to him about is powerlifting gossip. Unfortunately, I can see him getting a lot “what do you think about that whole powerlifting watch thread?” questions.
Pat
The IPF lovers and Raw nazis can say what they want.
As a 132 pound female, Donnie will never be my competitor, but I still take issue with his new “world record”. The “highPA” and other multiply feds have a bad reputation for passing anything.
From what I’ve seen, squats that are 5 inches high and deadlifts that were never locked out haven’t gotten passed at the multiply meets I’ve attended. If he had executed those lifts in the same way at another meet (even another IPA meet) he would have bombed. Donnie’s entire total was a gift, and to pass it off as legit, as the IPA attempting to do, is disgraceful.
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Good post.
Have you guys ever watched a game of basketball where LeBron takes 30 steps before he dunks, but if another non-star does that it’s travelling?
[quote]DaveyD wrote:
Have you guys ever watched a game of basketball where LeBron takes 30 steps before he dunks, but if another non-star does that it’s travelling?[/quote]
No. What does that have to do with powerlifting?
[quote]buckeye girl wrote:
DaveyD wrote:
Have you guys ever watched a game of basketball where LeBron takes 30 steps before he dunks, but if another non-star does that it’s travelling?
No. What does that have to do with powerlifting?[/quote]
It analogous to the double standard that we are discussing.
[quote]brownab wrote:
buckeye girl wrote:
DaveyD wrote:
Have you guys ever watched a game of basketball where LeBron takes 30 steps before he dunks, but if another non-star does that it’s travelling?
No. What does that have to do with powerlifting?
It analogous to the double standard that we are discussing.
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I dont think anyone is disputing the fact that those lifts shouldnt have been passed.
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
John S. wrote:
Most of the squats I have seen in the IPA look like that. People acting all offended by it when they know what goes on in the IPA is what im getting at. But you are right there rules do state that.
The issue isn’t with the IPA as a whole, its with a particular call. The single ply and raw nazis can moan about how IPA multiply squatters dont go to the same depth as USAPL or IPF squatters, but to say that most of the squats passed in the IPA are gifts is a completely misrepresentation.
Looks like Chuck is at depth in this one…and THIS is what the majority of the squats Iv seen passed in the IPA look like.[/quote]
Then the majority of IPA squats are high then, judging from that pic. Is the top of his thigh were it meets his hip lower than the top of his knee? Hell no!
Mind you do IPA have different depth rules?
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
brownab wrote:
buckeye girl wrote:
DaveyD wrote:
Have you guys ever watched a game of basketball where LeBron takes 30 steps before he dunks, but if another non-star does that it’s travelling?
No. What does that have to do with powerlifting?
It analogous to the double standard that we are discussing.
I dont think anyone is disputing the fact that those lifts shouldnt have been passed.[/quote]
I would dispute that anyone can say with any degree of certainty that those lifts shouldn’t have been passed. Those angles dont prove the lifts were good and they dont prove the lifts were bad. everyone is entitled to interpret those lifts as they will
[quote]KBCThird wrote:
Stronghold wrote:
brownab wrote:
buckeye girl wrote:
DaveyD wrote:
Have you guys ever watched a game of basketball where LeBron takes 30 steps before he dunks, but if another non-star does that it’s travelling?
No. What does that have to do with powerlifting?
It analogous to the double standard that we are discussing.
I dont think anyone is disputing the fact that those lifts shouldnt have been passed.
I would dispute that anyone can say with any degree of certainty that those lifts shouldn’t have been passed. Those angles dont prove the lifts were good and they dont prove the lifts were bad. everyone is entitled to interpret those lifts as they will[/quote]
Most of the time I’d agree, but I would say that video is pretty conclusive, unless there was a lot of smoke and mirrors, or photoshopping of some sort.
[quote]IainK wrote:
Stronghold wrote:
John S. wrote:
Most of the squats I have seen in the IPA look like that. People acting all offended by it when they know what goes on in the IPA is what im getting at. But you are right there rules do state that.
The issue isn’t with the IPA as a whole, its with a particular call. The single ply and raw nazis can moan about how IPA multiply squatters dont go to the same depth as USAPL or IPF squatters, but to say that most of the squats passed in the IPA are gifts is a completely misrepresentation.
Looks like Chuck is at depth in this one…and THIS is what the majority of the squats Iv seen passed in the IPA look like.
Then the majority of IPA squats are high then, judging from that pic. Is the top of his thigh were it meets his hip lower than the top of his knee? Hell no!
Mind you do IPA have different depth rules?
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Do you really think that picture was taken at the exact bottom of that squat?
Here is a video of that attempt:
High for the IPF or USAPL? Yes…but we arent talking about the IPF or USAPL…trying to say that multi-ply lifters should lift with the exact same rules as single ply and raw lifters in different federations is not too unlike trying to apply the rules of rugby to a football (gridiron) game. They are different sports with different sets of rules and the athletes dont compete against each other for that reason. No one in their right mind is trying to compare a close stance, ass to ankles, single ply squat to an 1100 lb multiply squat. Thats what really kills me about this whole debate.
What kills ME is the people who say “stop bitching and don’t lift in the IPA”.
That would be ok. But the powers that be in the IPA are claiming to have the biggest lifts ever achieved in powerlifting done in their fed. This is a matter that effects the sport as a whole.
If they just said an new IPA record I don’t think anyone would care THAT much.
But the fact they talk about new all time records pisses me off.
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
…trying to say that multi-ply lifters should lift with the exact same rules as single ply and raw lifters in different federations is not too unlike trying to apply the rules of rugby to a football (gridiron) game. [/quote]
Except that the official rules used to define a parallel squat are EXACTLY the same. I don’t even give a shit about all of this, but the fact is the only difference between the IPF and IPA definition of a parallel squat is enforcement. They are already regularly ignoring the rules as written, so everything is already subjective and self defeating.
[quote]Hanley wrote:
What kills ME is the people who say “stop bitching and don’t lift in the IPA”.
That would be ok. But the powers that be in the IPA are claiming to have the biggest lifts ever achieved in powerlifting done in their fed. This is a matter that effects the sport as a whole.
If they just said an new IPA record I don’t think anyone would care THAT much.
But the fact they talk about new all time records pisses me off. [/quote]
That’s like saying your a “world champion” as well. Most people would agree that there is only one true world championship in powerlifting, and even then, some of the best lifters choose not to lift in the IPF, and as such it isn’t a 100% accurate representation of a world championship. So really, its all semantics in the end. People that follow powerlifting know that its a bit jaded with gear and judging and as such there is not such thing as “an all time record” anymore. People that don’t follow powerlifting don’t really care anyway!
Cheers