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[DBCooper]

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

I remember when I was s scrawny, underdeveloped 15 year old and I started lifting weights. I lifted like a jackass but I made serious gains, and very fast. If I lifted the same way now, I wouldn’t see shit for gains and might even get weaker.

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Wrong thread, amigo.

As far as speculation goes, if speculators/“industry insiders” are forecasting higher prices, which is why gas prices go up every year, what does that tell you about the expected future supply of oil? I’m no economist, but last I checked when supply increases, price goes down. So it seems to me that speculators aren’t expecting a rise in supply anytime soon that will be less than the rise in demand.

EXACTLY why folks like me are fussing. The speculators see no substantial relaxation of bureaucratic drilling regulations. Thanks for bringing this up.

It goes beyond that. Our moronic president won’t even allow the construction of a safe pipeline (Keystone) much less significantly increased drilling on federal lands and in federal waters. Hence the speculators are leery there won’t be future increased supply.

Furthermore, what do you think would happen if we did start massive drilling? We’d say Fuck Researching Further into Laser Inertial Fusion Engines (LIFE), which is the future of energy production in this country. If we tap a bunch of oil, it may last for a hundred years or more, but then we would be less inclined to further fund research into LIFE nuclear technology, which is the real future. Any decrease in funding LIFE research would serve to put the U.S. at a severe disadvantage regarding a major burgeoning technology. I don’t find it surprising at all that there seems to be an increase in attention paid to accessing more oil reserves on the heels of a major breakthrough in nuclear fusion at the Lawrence Livermore Laboratory a few months ago. Oil people are scared shitless this nuclear power thing is going to become a reality in the next decade or so. Why wouldn’t they be? Creating nuclear energy with half a percent of the uranium ending up as waste, along with creating this energy with our existing nuclear waste, would make anyone heavily-invested in oil a complete irrelevancy.

Completely subjective.
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I refuse to be a slave to objectivity anymore. The fact is that everything is subjective. Only box scores are objective, and even then only partially. I don’t think for one minute that you adhere to any commitment to objectivity either. And that’s not a slur against you by any means. Objectivity is how we end up showing sympathy for pedophiles and whatnot.

What I said may be completely subjective, and I hope it is, but that doesn’t preclude it from being a very definite possibility.

[HoustonGuy]

Are we seriously making the argument that drilling billions of dollars in oil won’t help the economy?

Especially in a region that will be experiencing an oil boom of a significant magnitude for the first time?

There is a reason Texas leads the country in population and job growth and its not Mexicans staffing taco stands. Let’s not be super gay.

[HoustonGuy]

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
Are we seriously making the argument that drilling billions of dollars in oil won’t help the economy?

Especially in a region that will be experiencing an oil boom of a significant magnitude for the first time?

There is a reason Texas leads the country in population and job growth and its not Mexicans staffing taco stands. Let’s not be super gay.[/quote]

Alberta, Texas, Brazil, et al, are just strange anomalies. The wealth and strong economies of those areas are just coincidences. The Answer lies in alternative energy.[/quote]
Of course. Not to mention the overall impact of jobs created from geologists and their crews, to survey crews, land offices, rig construction, drilling, operations, pipelines, GIS, refinaries…

vs. what? A reactor monitored by a handful of physicists and a small work crew? Oils value is much greater than a dollar amount per barrel.

Frankly, LNG is a very viable source of “new” clean energy and we already have the infrastructure for it from speculation to end consumer on the retail chain. We also wouldn’t have a chernobyl.

I understand the sentiment that the oil discovered will barely dent oil prices in the big picture but one factor DBGayboy doesn’t account for is transportation cost.

Again, there is a reason gas prices in Texas, Louisiana and other refinery rich states are lower than the average national price on a consistent basis; we essentially are the “warehouse”.

So infusing more oil to the world supply will drop global prices and building out a better refinement infrastructure and projects such as the keystone pipeline will further drop prices at home. Demand isn’t the only factor in oil pricing. Not only that, if we can meet or exceed OPEC production, those fuckers will be forced to play in to our demands as they no longer have leverage to dick us with and cartel inflation independent of demand will be a non-factor.

[BobParr]

I was a science fiction fan since I started walking, so you don’t have to sell me on the promise of alternative energy.

As far back in 1990, I was reading up on fusion reactors and getting excited that we’d have workable ones any day now.

10 years later, I was reading about air-conditioner sized fuel cell generators that could power individual homes with just tap water and sell back the excess power to the local utility company… I was ready to sign up to buy one.

I also used to play SimCity, and they had this solar powered satellite-fed plant that provided plenty of clean electricity for your city. Unfortunately that was just a game.

The problem is it seems most of this technology is just like the “soon everyone will commute to work in helicopters” promise I used to hear would be the future norm back when I was in elementary school: it never fucking happens.

Power generation technology is advancing and maybe 50 or 75 years from now we’ll have something, but in the meantime, I think we need to make the most of the oil, natural gas, coal, and nuclear technology we have on hand now. What HAS advanced considerably is the practical technology to make things much cleaner and more efficient than before. Everything from drilling, to transmission, to carbon sequestration, to disposing of waste (for nukes) has improved considerably.

I’m also sick of those greenies who hope and pray the price of gas will go up to 10 or 15 bucks a gallon, so that suddenly alternative energy will seem like a bargain. That’s not what bargains are about. By that logic, shooting up heroin is a very healthy – if you compare it to swallowing cyanide.

[Iron_Dwarf]

[Testy1]

[quote]BobParr wrote:
I was a science fiction fan since I started walking, so you don’t have to sell me on the promise of alternative energy.

As far back in 1990, I was reading up on fusion reactors and getting excited that we’d have workable ones any day now.

10 years later, I was reading about air-conditioner sized fuel cell generators that could power individual homes with just tap water and sell back the excess power to the local utility company… I was ready to sign up to buy one.

I also used to play SimCity, and they had this solar powered satellite-fed plant that provided plenty of clean electricity for your city. Unfortunately that was just a game.

The problem is it seems most of this technology is just like the “soon everyone will commute to work in helicopters” promise I used to hear would be the future norm back when I was in elementary school: it never fucking happens.

Power generation technology is advancing and maybe 50 or 75 years from now we’ll have something, but in the meantime, I think we need to make the most of the oil, natural gas, coal, and nuclear technology we have on hand now. What HAS advanced considerably is the practical technology to make things much cleaner and more efficient than before. Everything from drilling, to transmission, to carbon sequestration, to disposing of waste (for nukes) has improved considerably.

I’m also sick of those greenies who hope and pray the price of gas will go up to 10 or 15 bucks a gallon, so that suddenly alternative energy will seem like a bargain. That’s not what bargains are about. By that logic, shooting up heroin is a very healthy – if you compare it to swallowing cyanide.[/quote]

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