Doing Dumb Stuff as a College Kid

I did this 15 minute ab workout after doing family game night and having a few drinks:

I’m surprisingly winded

Followed by:

Juarez valley BW squat: 30-1 (didn’t time it. It was hard though)

Notes:

  • max effort leg work tomorrow might just be sled drag
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Training update:

I’m to the point where I no longer have the time or willpower to make the time to train 4 days a week (main sessions). I’m looking to switch to 3 day a week and I’m torn between 2 ways:

  1. Use a 5/3/1 3 day template (looking at 1000% awesome for 2L/1A and then BtM) for a while and effectively use this to be the other part of periodization with conjugate (sub-max, higher frequency, higher volume, more specific). The break from near max work would be nice. Working up that heavy is sort of mentally having its tax on me (leading into sessions. Once I’m in the session I’m fine) with the school work I have but I do find it really really fun

  2. Find a way to run my current programming in 3 days a week. I know U/L async and U/L/F but it kinda seems to violate some of the key principles of conjugate (3 days between sessions). I think that would look like having the full body day as my rep efforts but some other things like doing some lower accessories (less taxing ones) on upper body day and vice versa basically making it 3 day a week full body (now that I write this out, this doesn’t look so bad)

I’ll think about it and come up with something. This was helpful to write it down. Any opinions welcome

@BrandonCrawford I’m glad you posted the other tread because I have been thinking about this over the weekend.

This in specific is what I’m trying to solve haha

Lastly, my quads are still sore from the bodyweight squats. Unsurprisingly, doing them after a few beers and drinking a little more the next day was not a good idea, but it was a really fun weekend so I don’t regret it

Edit: I’ve settled on it. To get my conditioning and recovery up, Ill do the 5/3/1 1000% awesome for 2 leaders/1 anchor, followed by building the monolith, and then switch to a full body conjugate. This way I can adapt to the higher frequency and hopefully have a better volume tolerance leading into another conjugate block

Last edit: I was thinking about this while listening to my motor development lecture and I realized that when I use to do 5/3/1 I didn’t push the accessories or chose correctly because I didn’t know how to. Conjugate you have to push the correct accessories so leading back into a few 5/3/1 cycles with this knowledge will probably be game changing

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Thanks for the shoutout lol. I’ll make sure to read any advice you get in here too.

It looks like you may have already answered your own question, but if you’re still looking for ideas/inspiration, have you looked at Joe Defranco’s Westside for Skinny Bastards? It should answer your mail in terms of having those different dynamic/max/rep focuses, and I’m pretty sure one of the articles is a 3-day U/L/U or maybe they flirt with being 3 full body days. Either way it was the first thing that came to mind with what you are looking for.

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This will be some great inspiration! I had always thought it was a 4 day a week program. Thanks for the info!

Mostly. I needed a place to write it out and something to work with but I’m always open to ideas!

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5/3/1 C1W1D1

45 min:

SSB: 185x5, 215x5, 240x5
OHP: 115x5x5
V-bar pushdown: 20 (each side): 12,12,13
Chins: 10,7+3,7+1+1+1
GHD: 45x10,10

Notes:

  • I did some dips hold at the top and bottom in-between pushdowns and chins. I need to loosen back up my shoulder to be able to do dips again
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I had always thought it was a 4 day a week program.

Versions 2 and 3 went that direction, but Version 1 was built around the idea of athletes already doing athletic stuff.

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Conditioning:

5 rounds on assault bike:
45 sec work vigorously
45 sec work light

Notes:

  • I want to do some harder conditioning but my knees were feeling terrible so I settled on this after my 45 min walk
  • Going to do some flow rope too

Edit:
I was on YouTube and saw this video:

My GF and I had visited this place on a date night. We had their chicken liver mousse. It was hands down one of the best things I’ve ever tried

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531 C1W1D2

Time: 50 min

DL:205x5, 260x5, 295x5 (I dropped my training max mid session)
Cambered bench: 145x5x5
Kroc row: 90x20 (each side)
Dips:5, 4 (both really slow tempo but pain free!
GHD situp: 8,8

Notes:

  • Ran out of time this morning. Recalculating my training max ate into my time and I over slept
  • My conditioning is also shit. Im so not use to more reps and submax work
  • @SvenG @T3hPwnisher and whoever else is really knowledgeable about 531. I think my lower body training Max’s need to be dropped but I’m worried that 5s pro will either be too easy or too heavy for me to tell how the training max is. Do you think switching to a template with an AMRAP topset would be a good idea so I can guage my training maxs so I’m hitting 5+ minimum on 1s week?
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Thanks for the question, @freshyfresh.

If I really want to dial in my TMs, I use JW’s 7WP TM Test. (Check out page 20 in Forever for details.)

I usually know enough about where things stand so that the test range covers what actually ends up being my TM, but I will err on the side of Start Too Light if I really have to take a blind guess.

Alternatively, I’ve just run sets of 3-5 reps, increasing in, say, 5 lbs increments, until I hit at exertion level that is beyond how a TM should feel. I’ll then back down an increment or two and use that as the TM.

Finally—and I may be out in left field here—but there are always ways to make light weight feel heavy and keep within the spirit of the work: 5x5 FSL is “too easy”? Go 25 reps in as few sets as possible. Or use a Widowmaker. Or add a pause. Or adjust the tempo. … There’s no end to the possibilities with Start Too Light.

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When you’re doing 5s pro, it’s basically “strength practice”. You’re grooving strong, consistent and powerful reps over and over again. Challenging really isn’t the goal at that point, so if it’s light, that’s a good thing. It’s like Dan John’s Easy Strength. PR sets are a whole different ballgame: there, the point of the main work is to actually push yourself to grow. PR sets are used when the purpose of main work is to cause growth.

So really, it’s a question of why you’re doing the main work to begin with.

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I think I’ll do this next week and work up to a solid set up 5 where bar speed doesn’t drop too much for lower body. I think lifting first thing in the morning, semi-dehydrated, no caffeine, and no food is just impacting my lower body lifts (but I need to get back to lifting in the morning because of how well it works for me)

That’s what I typically do for FSL. I am just so not use to 5s pro even when I ran 5/3/1 a few years ago, the AMRAP version seemed to make sense while 5s pro was just like “why”. This was also because I didn’t use the leader and anchor system but that’s my own fault

That clears 5s pro up a lot. I think you may have told me this before but I just forgot it

From my understanding, 5s pro is used so you can push accessories and supplemental while PR sets are used to push the main work. Hence the reason something like BBB has switched to 5s pro than just PR sets on top of the BBB work (I can’t lie BBB with PR sets sounds fun for a cycle or 2). Just hashing that out to make sure I understand

Honestly only reason 5s pro is being used is because that’s what’s assigned in this template. I think my question was an attempt to find a TM in a round about way rather than just finding a solid training max. Also it seems to have bounced around what a training max is but I’ve never used a 3-5 rep solid set for a training max, I’ve only used a max then found TM from math, so I’m down to give it a shot.

I might even have to run a challenge template so I’m not caught up in the main work numbers after I find the TM

Thanks guys this helped a lot!

List for myself of 5/3/1 templates I want to run or rerun:
531 BTM
BBB Beefcake
Hardgainers
Beachbody challenge
Rest Pause
100 rep
Prowler
Building a bigger yoke
Krypteia
Bronson Challenge
BBB and really sore
Original 5/3/1 Challenge

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From my understanding, 5s pro is used so you can push accessories and supplemental while PR sets are used to push the main work. Hence the reason something like BBB has switched to 5s pro than just PR sets on top of the BBB work (I can’t lie BBB with PR sets sounds fun for a cycle or 2). Just hashing that out to make sure I understand

It’s not necessarily used SO you can push assistance and supplemental, but moreso that, when supplemental and assistance are the focus, there has to be a balance with the main work, and 5s pro is that balance. It’s pretty much Jim’s message with all of the programming: if you add somewhere, you have to take away from somewhere else.

BBB with PR sets was how BBB was done in the beginning. It certainly works: there’s just better ways to do it.

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That makes sense. Thanks!

Absolutely! Although my other favorite Jim Wendler quote from the BBB and really sore article is “This is not the smartest thing to do. But…sometimes you have to stoke the fires of stupidity”. So I might just do it at some point to stroke the fires of stupidity haha

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This sounds so vile, haha. Although I do like beef liver. It just sounds really weird as s combination of words to me :smiley:

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That’s what I thought too! I was talking to my mom, who grew up in New Orleans, have she said it had always been a thing so some people must like it haha. Not that this helps but it just tastes like an airy chicken spread

Conditioning:

8 rounds on assault bike:
45 sec vigorous work
45 sec lighter work

Notes:

  • My knees have been hurting recently. I think its because I started wearing shoes with a heel again rather than my barefoot shoes (my primary pair got tore up). I think I need to get another set
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Mine too! But unfortunately, my pain has nothing to do with my shoes and everything to do with getting old. lol

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@QuadQueen I hope that’s not my case Just yet!


531 TM Test

Cambered bar bench: work up to 175x5 (Using this as TM)

SSB: work up to 265x3 beltless. Going to use 255 as a starting training max; which would be about 80% of 1rm

Kroc row: 100x14 both sides

Notes:

  • Looking to get back to rugby Thursday. 4 exams this week. Hardest one tomorrow
  • To the above, from about Thursday night- Saturday mid-day, I’ve been locked in panic after a fight with my gf where I thought it was over. We eventually worked it out because it was just differing perspectives but I can’t lie it was an overreaction on her part
  • I’ve also been cramming for this exam tomorrow so I’m fucking burnt out. Jesus I want this week to be over with. I’m to the point where I’ve done all I can and I do not give a fuck about this exam tomorrow. The prof is very confusing and condescending. For example, she says to read the book based off the note outlines but then before the exam says anything in the assigned reading is fair game. I’d assume that means if has to overlap between the 2 but when you ask her she just repeats what she said
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happy cake day

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@throwawayfitness Thanks!

TM Test
Ohp: 145x5 (slight puase on collar bone)
Deadlift: 365x5 (rep pr)

Notes;

  • When I say I did not want to lift today, my middle ground wound up being watching pantheon while lifting
  • Planning to start up 531 BBB beefcake Saturday. Since the sessions are a lower intensity, I’m going to try out 4 days a week and if I have to move to 3 days a week like in the book
  • Deadlift went well. I moved my stance in maybe half a step and put my belt up higher
  • Wether it’s a form issue or shitty conditioning, 80% seems to be the sweet spot for lower body training max and 85% for upper
  • neuromotor out of the way. It wasn’t terrible but I could have done better if the guidance wasn’t just to know the book and notes. 3 more exams to go
  • Burnt out is creeping in. I can tell because I’ve been reading more comics and watching more stuff on Max. To that, I’ve gone through all the absolute Batman out on the DC app and started a Constantine series. I’m finishing up pantheon season 2 and started the 2022 Batman movie
  • To the above, this weekend is going to be spent at home. Friday night we are going to beers at the zoo and Saturday I have to install some new lights in the garage. Those are the only plans and I’m excited for that
  • Weird dietary observation. I’ve basically gone back to something like 2 meals with protein and carbs (less carbs morning and more in the evening depending on the day/hunger level) with about 3 protein shakes in between. This seems to be the sweet spot. The whole food is within vertical diet guidelines so it’s the combination of 2 systems that worked well for me
  • @KonsuTheTraveller it looks like some of the technical stuff of my deadlift has improved!
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If you say so lol

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