Dogs Hate Me...

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]USMCpoolee wrote:
Caucasian mountain dogs are such tight dogs. BG, Hugo is a great looking dog, how much is he weighing now? My one experience with a Dogo is being drunk and randomly walking through someones yard who had one, who started my way, needless to say I was out of that yard in half a second.[/quote]

Caucasian dogs can be downright scary. I had a friend that raised them a short while (he was a pitbull breeder). He said a Caucasian is to man what a pitbull is to another dog. If you’re outside the immediate family they are pretty intolerable and absolutely dangerous. Very protective.

My guy is about 110 if I had to guess. He’s lean. His pictures do not come close to doing his physicality any justice. You just have to see him. This guy can jump out of a 8 foot pen. If he catches me off guard while I’m walking him, it takes me a good 10 feet to put the brakes on - he will embarrass you with his strength if he gets any momentum.[/quote]

Yea I recently looked after my old buddies Caucasian, I’m kinda part of the family, so the dog takes to me decently, but when he goes off, it can be terrifying (and I’m a dog guy).

Thats awesome, if I had time for a dog like that I would absolutely love a Dogo. I’ve never heard about their strength, but that does make sense with the little else I know of the breed.

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[quote]TigerTime wrote:
So, dogs really don’t like me a whole lot. Just today on the way back from the gym I had it happen again. The owners always say the same damn thing before it happens too, “Don’t worry, he/she is just a loud mouth” or something like that, then, bam the dog charges at me and tries to chomp off my sack (always the sack…). Take home lesson, DON’T listen to the owner, listen to the dog.

Usually they charge and then stop a few meters away so I just wait it out until their owners call them back, but every once in a while (like today) they don’t stop and I’ve got to either back the fuck up at light speed or fight their dog (which is a situation where nobody wins).

My question is, why? I noticed that it usually happens just before or just after I’m at the gym, so can they smell a spike in my T-levels? Do I walk too aggressively? Do they hate my gotee?

Anyone else have this problem?[/quote]

Shoot the dog in the face.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
The last video pisses me off.

First, this breeder is appealing to the lowest common form of attraction that is a beacon for every asshole would-be dog owner in the world - unbridled aggression. Even going as far to liken the dog to a .45 caliber. She needs to be out of the breeding business. Period.

Next, her customer shown at the end does not appear to need a dog like that and he’s ill equippped to handle the dog. That dog is too much for that guy and he does not appear to have much, if any, control over the dog as evidenced by his speaking of various collars he’s tried. Collars don’t train dogs, people do. That one is a disaster waiting to happen and in my opinion, the breeder is complicit for selling the dog to him.

The last vid makes me sick and it’s one of the many reasons I’ve never had any interest in being a breeder.

Anyhoo…

Who’s up for the man v. Caucasian fight? Whoever is betting on the man, I’ll take your action. Don’t forget to kick him in the ribs or go for that rear naked choke. LOL[/quote]

I wasn’t the one who said I’d fight a dog. I said go for a rear naked choke as a last resort, as in nowhere to run/climb/escape to. You have to admit, if you had a choice between standing in front of a dog where all its teeth and claws are and trying to submit it from behind (as a last resort) I think you would go for the rear naked choke too.

Fighting any animal is a poor decision on the human’s part.

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[quote]jak3_dude wrote:
Fighting any animal is a poor decision on the human’s part.[/quote]

In the zoo I saw this huge crocodile. I think it was 5 meters long. I was wondering what a human could do if confronted by this while being int he water. Probably just hope it’s a fast death…

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[quote]Edevus wrote:

[quote]jak3_dude wrote:
Fighting any animal is a poor decision on the human’s part.[/quote]

In the zoo I saw this huge crocodile. I think it was 5 meters long. I was wondering what a human could do if confronted by this while being int he water. Probably just hope it’s a fast death…[/quote]

Fuck crocodiles. I’ve seen domestic cats fuck people up.

funny related video

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[quote]Edevus wrote:

[quote]jak3_dude wrote:
Fighting any animal is a poor decision on the human’s part.[/quote]

In the zoo I saw this huge crocodile. I think it was 5 meters long. I was wondering what a human could do if confronted by this while being int he water. Probably just hope it’s a fast death…[/quote]
I know a guy who lives near the atchafalaya (sp?) Swamps in Louisiana that would wrestle him in the water and win. No bullshit.

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Tiger is this you? I think the bear is putting you in the rear naked…something.

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[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]Edevus wrote:

[quote]jak3_dude wrote:
Fighting any animal is a poor decision on the human’s part.[/quote]

In the zoo I saw this huge crocodile. I think it was 5 meters long. I was wondering what a human could do if confronted by this while being int he water. Probably just hope it’s a fast death…[/quote]
I know a guy who lives near the atchafalaya (sp?) Swamps in Louisiana that would wrestle him in the water and win. No bullshit.[/quote]

Amazing.

It’s like those guys fighting bears.

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[quote]Edevus wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]Edevus wrote:

[quote]jak3_dude wrote:
Fighting any animal is a poor decision on the human’s part.[/quote]

In the zoo I saw this huge crocodile. I think it was 5 meters long. I was wondering what a human could do if confronted by this while being int he water. Probably just hope it’s a fast death…[/quote]
I know a guy who lives near the atchafalaya (sp?) Swamps in Louisiana that would wrestle him in the water and win. No bullshit.[/quote]

Amazing.

It’s like those guys fighting bears. [/quote] Pretty fucking crazy to see.

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[quote]PianoMan7 wrote:
If you fall down, cover your face and don’t attack back.[/quote]

Stupid move.

Do you honestly consider yourself so weak a specimen?

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[quote]jak3_dude wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
The last video pisses me off.

First, this breeder is appealing to the lowest common form of attraction that is a beacon for every asshole would-be dog owner in the world - unbridled aggression. Even going as far to liken the dog to a .45 caliber. She needs to be out of the breeding business. Period.

Next, her customer shown at the end does not appear to need a dog like that and he’s ill equippped to handle the dog. That dog is too much for that guy and he does not appear to have much, if any, control over the dog as evidenced by his speaking of various collars he’s tried. Collars don’t train dogs, people do. That one is a disaster waiting to happen and in my opinion, the breeder is complicit for selling the dog to him.

The last vid makes me sick and it’s one of the many reasons I’ve never had any interest in being a breeder.

Anyhoo…

Who’s up for the man v. Caucasian fight? Whoever is betting on the man, I’ll take your action. Don’t forget to kick him in the ribs or go for that rear naked choke. LOL[/quote]

I wasn’t the one who said I’d fight a dog. I said go for a rear naked choke as a last resort, as in nowhere to run/climb/escape to. You have to admit, if you had a choice between standing in front of a dog where all its teeth and claws are and trying to submit it from behind (as a last resort) I think you would go for the rear naked choke too.

Fighting any animal is a poor decision on the human’s part.[/quote]

If I was being attacked by a dog I feared could hurt me, I’d do my very fucking best to get away…up high, on top of a car. Absent a car nearby, I’d be looking for any object I could use for a weapon. Hopefully, I’d have a knife (I usually do) and I’d stick it and hope it bled out before I passed out. A good hard mouthed dog can put you in shock. Trust me.

I don’t think you’d have much chance getting a choke on a dog that can really hurt you. There are some dogs you cannot simply “beat off”. I think you might not be aware of the pain tolerance of some, particularly a pitbull. In the old days (1800’s), when they’d match a pitbull against other animals for sport, they’d literally cut a dog’s leg off while it was engaged with the other animal to demonstrate it’s pain tolerance and gameness. When a dog like that is fully engaged, pain doesn’t register. It’s why it’s not uncommon to hear about LEO having to pump a dog like that with 8-9 bullets to stop it. You can’t “submit” it with pain, you must incapacitate it.

I’m not spitballing here either. Trust me, they have matched human v. dog many times. It usually does not work out well for the human.

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[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]Edevus wrote:

[quote]jak3_dude wrote:
Fighting any animal is a poor decision on the human’s part.[/quote]

In the zoo I saw this huge crocodile. I think it was 5 meters long. I was wondering what a human could do if confronted by this while being int he water. Probably just hope it’s a fast death…[/quote]
I know a guy who lives near the atchafalaya (sp?) Swamps in Louisiana that would wrestle him in the water and win. No bullshit.[/quote]

I remember you mentioning this in another thread and I was JUST having lunch with my uncle from FL two days ago and he mentioned witnessing this very thing. So, no bullshit there. I don’t know why anyone would want to risk it, and I’m sure once you have the “technique” down and the requisite knowledge, it removes much of the perceived danger…but fuck if I’d ever try that shit.

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HoustonGuy, keep in mind a croc is a shitload bigger and stronger than a gator which is whats in the bayou.

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[quote]tmay11 wrote:
Dogs are imo just really good at reading body language. From my experience dogs that “like” being aggressive take advantage of people that are frighten of them - they can see it on you and therefore assume they can take you. The same principles that apply to a bear attack apply hear also. Remember that dogs are dumb as shit ( as compared to you and I ). I have been in many circumstances where dogs are acting aggressively and/or charging and will immediately stop/retreat as soon as you make a powerful movement in their direction. The thing is that for this to work you have to truly not be scared of the dog - you can’t really fake it. This even applies to guarddogs (minus the utmost fearless). Next time you see some big dog at a fence barking at you aggressively try running at it yelling madly - 95% will shut up and cower. Again though , for this to work you can’t be scared of the dog. You have to really believe that you could beat the shit out of the dog and convey that to its little pea brain. This is most successful when aggressive dogs ACTUALLY piss you off as they do I.

On a side - Do you guys really think that many dogs could really “beat you” in a fight? Obviously they have some physical advantages (teeth, speed etc) but I think those are more than outweighed by a mans physical size and intelligence. Unless the dogs gets your neck immediately I don’t see why you shouldn’t be able to swiftly put it down. The above only applies to men in above average shape, not women, children and the general populace. Lets say a rottie or a sheperd gets a hold of your leg or arm. All it really takes is one solid kick or punch to its ribs and there’s a very good chance that you have caused some serious damage ( broken bones ) . You can also try to choke the dog out if it goes for any of your limbs … thoughts ??

btw - I have owned many big dogs and been around many big dogs so I’m not speaking from inexperience. Right now I own a sheperd/rottie mix. [/quote]

I’d be:

Gouging eyes
ripping ears
choking it, preferably with my legs
twisting arms/legs out of their sockets
throwing elbows and knees

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:

[quote]tmay11 wrote:
Dogs are imo just really good at reading body language. From my experience dogs that “like” being aggressive take advantage of people that are frighten of them - they can see it on you and therefore assume they can take you. The same principles that apply to a bear attack apply hear also. Remember that dogs are dumb as shit ( as compared to you and I ). I have been in many circumstances where dogs are acting aggressively and/or charging and will immediately stop/retreat as soon as you make a powerful movement in their direction. The thing is that for this to work you have to truly not be scared of the dog - you can’t really fake it. This even applies to guarddogs (minus the utmost fearless). Next time you see some big dog at a fence barking at you aggressively try running at it yelling madly - 95% will shut up and cower. Again though , for this to work you can’t be scared of the dog. You have to really believe that you could beat the shit out of the dog and convey that to its little pea brain. This is most successful when aggressive dogs ACTUALLY piss you off as they do I.

On a side - Do you guys really think that many dogs could really “beat you” in a fight? Obviously they have some physical advantages (teeth, speed etc) but I think those are more than outweighed by a mans physical size and intelligence. Unless the dogs gets your neck immediately I don’t see why you shouldn’t be able to swiftly put it down. The above only applies to men in above average shape, not women, children and the general populace. Lets say a rottie or a sheperd gets a hold of your leg or arm. All it really takes is one solid kick or punch to its ribs and there’s a very good chance that you have caused some serious damage ( broken bones ) . You can also try to choke the dog out if it goes for any of your limbs … thoughts ??

btw - I have owned many big dogs and been around many big dogs so I’m not speaking from inexperience. Right now I own a sheperd/rottie mix. [/quote]

How are you going to maintain enough balance to kick a large dog that is hanging on your leg?

How are you going to kick a dog that is on your arm with enough force to do any real damage?

BTW, the answer to both questions is ‘you’re not’. Only an untrained cur would let go of your arm or leg because you made an ugly face, went ‘ARRRRGH’ and launched a severely compromised kick at it IMO.

BBB[/quote]

The videos that have been posted only further prove my point. When the dogs are biting the guys in the suits you can see that they are still perfectly able to walk around with the dog dangling off their arm. Obviously this wouldn’t apply to a 200lbs mastiff but that is the exception to the case - almost all “guard dogs” type breeds weigh between 80 - 120 lbs, above this is rare. These dogs are light enough that you or I have a serious strength advantage. I’m not trying to say that a dog can’t do serious damage, I’m not saying it would be easy. I’m simply saying that a man of above average strength acting intelligently should be able to “win” against a big dog 9 times out of ten.

You really don’t think that even with the dog on your arm/leg you couldn’t start putting your knees/elbows/fist/foot into it and start doing serious damage before the damage from the bite overwhelms you?

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[quote]USMCpoolee wrote:
HoustonGuy, keep in mind a croc is a shitload bigger and stronger than a gator which is whats in the bayou.[/quote]
Ah. I do use the names interchangeably. This guy wrestled la swamp gators.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]Edevus wrote:

[quote]jak3_dude wrote:
Fighting any animal is a poor decision on the human’s part.[/quote]

In the zoo I saw this huge crocodile. I think it was 5 meters long. I was wondering what a human could do if confronted by this while being int he water. Probably just hope it’s a fast death…[/quote]
I know a guy who lives near the atchafalaya (sp?) Swamps in Louisiana that would wrestle him in the water and win. No bullshit.[/quote]

I remember you mentioning this in another thread and I was JUST having lunch with my uncle from FL two days ago and he mentioned witnessing this very thing. So, no bullshit there. I don’t know why anyone would want to risk it, and I’m sure once you have the “technique” down and the requisite knowledge, it removes much of the perceived danger…but fuck if I’d ever try that shit. [/quote] Yep. And I really did wrestle a baby, if I’m lying I’m dying. They say its all technique and you really can hold a jaw shut with minimal pressure but if you slip and he opens his mouth before submitting… A whole gaggle of dogos couldn’t help with the big fuckers. Just pray your buddies pulling causes your arm to rip off before you’re pulled under in to a gator roll. Those swamp dudes are nuts.

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[quote]carbiduis wrote:

I’d be:

yelling
screaming hysterically
getting my flesh torn
getting multiple puncture wounds
possibly be getting broken (crushed) bones
suffering blood loss

[/quote]

I fixed your post :slight_smile:

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[quote]tmay11 wrote:

[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:

[quote]tmay11 wrote:
Dogs are imo just really good at reading body language. From my experience dogs that “like” being aggressive take advantage of people that are frighten of them - they can see it on you and therefore assume they can take you. The same principles that apply to a bear attack apply hear also. Remember that dogs are dumb as shit ( as compared to you and I ). I have been in many circumstances where dogs are acting aggressively and/or charging and will immediately stop/retreat as soon as you make a powerful movement in their direction. The thing is that for this to work you have to truly not be scared of the dog - you can’t really fake it. This even applies to guarddogs (minus the utmost fearless). Next time you see some big dog at a fence barking at you aggressively try running at it yelling madly - 95% will shut up and cower. Again though , for this to work you can’t be scared of the dog. You have to really believe that you could beat the shit out of the dog and convey that to its little pea brain. This is most successful when aggressive dogs ACTUALLY piss you off as they do I.

On a side - Do you guys really think that many dogs could really “beat you” in a fight? Obviously they have some physical advantages (teeth, speed etc) but I think those are more than outweighed by a mans physical size and intelligence. Unless the dogs gets your neck immediately I don’t see why you shouldn’t be able to swiftly put it down. The above only applies to men in above average shape, not women, children and the general populace. Lets say a rottie or a sheperd gets a hold of your leg or arm. All it really takes is one solid kick or punch to its ribs and there’s a very good chance that you have caused some serious damage ( broken bones ) . You can also try to choke the dog out if it goes for any of your limbs … thoughts ??

btw - I have owned many big dogs and been around many big dogs so I’m not speaking from inexperience. Right now I own a sheperd/rottie mix. [/quote]

How are you going to maintain enough balance to kick a large dog that is hanging on your leg?

How are you going to kick a dog that is on your arm with enough force to do any real damage?

BTW, the answer to both questions is ‘you’re not’. Only an untrained cur would let go of your arm or leg because you made an ugly face, went ‘ARRRRGH’ and launched a severely compromised kick at it IMO.

BBB[/quote]

The videos that have been posted only further prove my point. When the dogs are biting the guys in the suits you can see that they are still perfectly able to walk around with the dog dangling off their arm. Obviously this wouldn’t apply to a 200lbs mastiff but that is the exception to the case - almost all “guard dogs” type breeds weigh between 80 - 120 lbs, above this is rare. These dogs are light enough that you or I have a serious strength advantage. I’m not trying to say that a dog can’t do serious damage, I’m not saying it would be easy. I’m simply saying that a man of above average strength acting intelligently should be able to “win” against a big dog 9 times out of ten.

You really don’t think that even with the dog on your arm/leg you couldn’t start putting your knees/elbows/fist/foot into it and start doing serious damage before the damage from the bite overwhelms you?
[/quote]

Sometimes I swear I hate the internet for exactly these type of utterly stupid posts. Dude, really?

You think a guy in a full bite suit with a dog “dangling” of his arm is the same with a dog biting you WITHOUT the protection of a bite suit? Really? And most good decoys are pretty good sized and strong men. Irregardless, they would not be casually walking around with the dog “dangling” if not for the bite suit.

Furthermore, you’re watching footage of a dog hitting the suit that is tied out. Try watching come footage with the dog untethered - they will take a big man down.

There is a term in protection work called “man stopper”. The dogs 80lbs and up are manstoppers. Heck, smaller malinois are considered manstoppers. To stretch it even further, there are 45lb pitbulls that will stop you in your fucking tracks and put you in shock in short order.

Please stop this nonsensical rambling. No disrespect, but you do not have the experience with these dogs that you imply.

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[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]Edevus wrote:

[quote]jak3_dude wrote:
Fighting any animal is a poor decision on the human’s part.[/quote]

In the zoo I saw this huge crocodile. I think it was 5 meters long. I was wondering what a human could do if confronted by this while being int he water. Probably just hope it’s a fast death…[/quote]
I know a guy who lives near the atchafalaya (sp?) Swamps in Louisiana that would wrestle him in the water and win. No bullshit.[/quote]

I remember you mentioning this in another thread and I was JUST having lunch with my uncle from FL two days ago and he mentioned witnessing this very thing. So, no bullshit there. I don’t know why anyone would want to risk it, and I’m sure once you have the “technique” down and the requisite knowledge, it removes much of the perceived danger…but fuck if I’d ever try that shit. [/quote] Yep. And I really did wrestle a baby, if I’m lying I’m dying. They say its all technique and you really can hold a jaw shut with minimal pressure but if you slip and he opens his mouth before submitting… A whole gaggle of dogos couldn’t help with the big fuckers. Just pray your buddies pulling causes your arm to rip off before you’re pulled under in to a gator roll. Those swamp dudes are nuts.
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I was aware of the technique…I knew a gator cannot express much force opening it’s mouth, only shutting it. Once you have it shut, you pretty much have that fucker. I still wouldn’t do it :slight_smile: