one on left just passed. They love their raw marrow bones though
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
I have been very satisfied with Blue Buffalo Wilderness, for ages Eagle Pack was my mainstay but it was sold and am very suspect of the product since it was bought out by Wellpet who also produces Wellness which many of my dogs did awful on.
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there was a recall a few months back on BB. while their ingredients are better than many on the market, they’re still not ideal. Personally, I’d shop for a better brand.[/quote]
Really, a recall on Blue Buffalo Wilderness? FWIW it was a voluntary recall because of Vitamin D. Compared to your preferred Orijen, it compares equally both getting 5 stars from the above mentioned website.
seems pretty comparable to what you buy.
My main point is it has worked for my dogs, and I feel because Blue Buffalo has commercials and is readily available at many more stores than other brands, people get the notion that its not quality, when in fact its up their with the best such as your food that you recommended.
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I never said it wasn’t quality. The recall worries me, as well as I can’t recall but one of their foods had a preservative I didn’t care for. Granted, it’s been a few weeks since I checked so my memory isn’t 100% on that part.
As far as “works for your dogs”… I fed Artemis for a few years which got stellar reviews and I thought it “worked” too. Come to find out their fish supplier added ethoxyquin in, though Artemis never disclosed that and changed suppliers in 2010. I would just check up on the company to make sure their suppliers are using quality ingredients as well and not adding preservatives that don’t have to be noted on the label or ingredients.
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Agreed, exactly why I stopped using Eagle Pack.
Edit: The preservative you may be referring to is Tomato Pomace, which is used for vitamin B and Fiber and is a by product used in Ketchup. Some say that it is totally indigestible.
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
I have been very satisfied with Blue Buffalo Wilderness, for ages Eagle Pack was my mainstay but it was sold and am very suspect of the product since it was bought out by Wellpet who also produces Wellness which many of my dogs did awful on.
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there was a recall a few months back on BB. while their ingredients are better than many on the market, they’re still not ideal. Personally, I’d shop for a better brand.[/quote]
Really, a recall on Blue Buffalo Wilderness? FWIW it was a voluntary recall because of Vitamin D. Compared to your preferred Orijen, it compares equally both getting 5 stars from the above mentioned website.
seems pretty comparable to what you buy.
My main point is it has worked for my dogs, and I feel because Blue Buffalo has commercials and is readily available at many more stores than other brands, people get the notion that its not quality, when in fact its up their with the best such as your food that you recommended.
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I never said it wasn’t quality. The recall worries me, as well as I can’t recall but one of their foods had a preservative I didn’t care for. Granted, it’s been a few weeks since I checked so my memory isn’t 100% on that part.
As far as “works for your dogs”… I fed Artemis for a few years which got stellar reviews and I thought it “worked” too. Come to find out their fish supplier added ethoxyquin in, though Artemis never disclosed that and changed suppliers in 2010. I would just check up on the company to make sure their suppliers are using quality ingredients as well and not adding preservatives that don’t have to be noted on the label or ingredients.
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Agreed, exactly why I stopped using Eagle Pack.
Edit: The preservative you may be referring to is Tomato Pomace, which is used for vitamin B and Fiber and is a by product used in Ketchup. Some say that it is totally indigestible.[/quote]
Actually, it was probably the fish meal. #1- what kind of fish #2- who is the supplier for the fish… I really don’t know, just something to check on further.
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
Wny do you think that? what do you think they would eat in the wild?
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I think there’s a difference between what they would eat in the wild and what they thrive on. I’ve never seen a feral dog (domesticated species) that looked healthy. Dogs have been domesticated for a long time now so I believe that asking what they would eat in the wild is irrelevant. Let’s also not forget that dogs that are pure bred most likely wouldn’t be found “in the wild” so we need to take many factors into account. This leads me to my next point.
To me it’s not just about finding what we think is healthy for dogs in general but also what works well with our own individual dogs. Both of my Danes had really sensitive digestive systems (I lost them both to bloat) and I had to really watch what I fed them because they were prone to diarrhea and gas. So now I look for both simple ingredients and for what makes their stool and coat healthy.
There’s a lot that goes into the health of a dog. Diet is definitely part of that but it’s only a part. Exercise is part of the equation as is genetics. Many of our pure bred dogs are really pretty frail from being bred so much. Danes definitely fit into that category (as much as I love them they are definitely not hearty by any stretch of the imagination).
james
Arent todays dogs so far removed from a feral dog that we really shouldn’t or cant compare? I wouldn’t think that my Boston Terrier is going to have the same nutritional needs as a Wolf. IMO dogs are a animal that has been engineered by humans for humans in the west espescially for aid in work and companionship, which is why it drives me crazy when many people simply state a dog is an animal just like any other its not, and shouldn’t be treated the same.
The only dog that I consider to be somewhat “wild” in the states would be the Carolina Dog.
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
Arent todays dogs so far removed from a feral dog that we really shouldn’t or cant compare? I wouldn’t think that my Boston Terrier is going to have the same nutritional needs as a Wolf. IMO dogs are a animal that has been engineered by humans for humans in the west espescially for aid in work and companionship, which is why it drives me crazy when many people simply state a dog is an animal just like any other its not, and shouldn’t be treated the same.
The only dog that I consider to be somewhat “wild” in the states would be the Carolina Dog.[/quote]
Well, I guess you have to look at things like humans and grains. We have been consuming them for 10k years, and there’s a bit of a debate on if we’ve had enough time to “adapt” to them in the diet.
Dogs only been given “kibble” for about 80-90 years and even that far back it wasn’t that common.
At the very least dogs should get cooked real foods, whether or not raw is better some will debate. I personally feel that dogs have all the capabilities to handle raw, so why wouldn’t you for a healthy dog if you can afford it?
Feral dogs aren’t a fair comparison in the sense that they won’t have access to the same # of animals for food as they did a few hundred years ago.
Dogs are 99.9% the same genetically as wolves 
while that .1% is a big difference not from the sense of dietary needs.