Dog Attacked

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[quote]AliveAgain36 wrote:

[quote]Steel Nation wrote:

[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]AliveAgain36 wrote:
With dog on my arm and spinning me all around, I would probably fired wildly vs just stabbing the dog in the neck. My family was within 2 feet of me. I’m not a trained assassin or anything. But sure, any weapon would have been great that day - a parameter of clay-mores for instance. [/quote]
How did that whole situation go down btw? What got the dog off you?[/quote]

Yes please. That is definitely a story I want to hear if you don’t mind telling it.[/quote]

So we are going down this trail within woods that tons of people use, joggers, walkers, etc. It runs along a river and it’s a nice walking path for a family. Comes out a playground my older kids liked at the time. I have my collie who is somewhat large, but not aggressive at all. This woman is coming towards us with what seemed a very large German Sheppard. I don’t know exactly how big it was, but German Sheppards have always scared the shit out of me. I had a bad feeling seeing the way this woman was trying to hold the leash. She got about 15 feet away and just let go of the leash because she couldn’t hold it anymore I guess (basically owning / walking a dog in a public setting she had no business with).

So… This dog goes right at my dog. I honestly don’t think my dog did anything to provoke the attack (other than being a dog). Never had an aggressive issue with her before or after (and it’s a collie). Out of instinct (not balls mind you - instinct… I’m a lover not a fighter), I jumped in between this on coming dog and my family and put my arm out and this thing clamped right down on it. Instinct told me to try to stay standing because somewhere I learned you never want to go to the ground against a dog or you are totally fucked (sub-conscience made my focus on keeping on my feet). So I start kind of kicking at the dog but the angle was all wrong to do much damage. I was more trying to stay standing than kick. I didn’t do anything with my other arm but use it to keep balance - don’t know why but didn’t punch. I may not have seen an open shot or something. The owner finally runs up and grabs the leash which made the dog release - thank god. At this point I stepped back and yelled as loud as I could, “GET YOUR FUCKING DOG AWAY FROM MY FAMILY”… and they both split.

It all went down in like 7 seconds but felt a lot longer. Felt bad for my kids cuz it scared the shit out of 'em (bad, but good in a way cuz the oldest one learned a lesson that day for sure about dangerous dogs). I also felt bad cuz I did’t use cuss words around them (especially at that age), but sometimes the situation requires it!

In hind sight, we should have gone back to the car, and then I should have gone and confronted this woman and got her info. I was totally fucking shook up though (and younger and dumber), and just wanted to get out of there. I immediately thought how much worse it could have been and wanted to get home. I have a pretty bad ass scar from the whole thing though. I also definitely should have gotten a rabbis test, but I didn’t and I’m still alive.

Point of the story, danger lurks everywhere and hits when you least expect it. I was unprepared for it, and lucky nothing worse happened. You say a knife wouldn’t have made a difference which might be true, but I would have taken anything in this situation if it would have helped in the slightest to help protect my family. [/quote]

Wild, good job tho.

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[quote]strungoutboy21 wrote:
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Aw. Poor girl. Glad she’s okay.

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[quote]strungoutboy21 wrote:
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Beautiful dog. My girl has a 3 year old chocolate lab. They’re a great breed.

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[quote]strungoutboy21 wrote:
Anyways we took her in and she had two puncture wounds. She should be fine, they gave her some medication and made us put a collar on her so the other dog doesn’t lick her wound. She seems in good spirits as you can see.[/quote]

It’s good that you took her for treatment.

My dog was playing with a groundhog and had it by its butt tossing it around. The groundhog curled around and bit her on the chest with its two front teeth, which didn’t seem like much and didn’t phase her at all.

A couple days later we had to take her in for a surgery/clean out of the wound. Those bites can get nasty really fast.

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Good looking dog. Glad she’s OK.

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[quote]Revanchist wrote:

[quote]strungoutboy21 wrote:
Whoops, don’t know how to edit a picture.[/quote]

Beautiful dog. My girl has a 3 year old chocolate lab. They’re a great breed. [/quote]
Yeah this is our first lab. Super friendly dog, has lots of energy, and loves to follow me around.

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[quote]AliveAgain36 wrote:

[quote]AliveAgain36 wrote:
I guess the scare isn’t as cool as it used to be… But here she is![/quote]

One more try…[/quote]

A buddy of mine had a Cane Corso latch onto his arm a couple years ago. Luckily for him he’s probably the largest dude, muscularly speaking, I’ve ever known, so he just shook it off and kicked it in the ribs. Then the breeder corralled it. That’s my loose interpretation/remembrance of what happened anyhow; I wasn’t there.

He has two nasty scars on each side of his right bicep where its canines sunk in. Needless to say, he did not buy from that breeder.

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[quote]strungoutboy21 wrote:

Anyways, i’m still pissed off about this and upset. Just curious what we should say to these other people. Should they offer to pay our vet bill? Do you report shit like this? I mean what if that dog gets out again. It could do a lot more damage if the dog was small. I’ve seen dogs get in little fights before but never seen one latch onto the other one near the neck. That just seems overly aggressive and dangerous. [/quote]

if the dog gets out again and bites you dog for a 2nd time, i’d just shoot the fucking thing…the first time is forgivable, 2nd time is just negligence…what if instead of your dog it was a small child it was attacking?

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I have a question as to what we should do as well. Didn’t want to make another thread.

Quickly, my dog is an escape artist. Always getting out. We’ve put up two or three fences to try and hold her in, but she always figures out another way. Today she escaped and someone called saying they had her. We go get her to find that she was playing with this family’s eight prize chickens in their backyard and killed all of the… It was not vicious, she was just playing, obviously too rough, the chickens are a pound to maybe two. We then paid them 400$, (50$ a chicken). Any suggestions on us talking to them try to split the cost with them?

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[quote]JC529 wrote:
Any suggestions on us talking to them try to split the cost with them?[/quote]

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[quote]JC529 wrote:
I have a question as to what we should do as well. Didn’t want to make another thread.

Quickly, my dog is an escape artist. Always getting out. We’ve put up two or three fences to try and hold her in, but she always figures out another way. Today she escaped and someone called saying they had her. We go get her to find that she was playing with this family’s eight prize chickens in their backyard and killed all of the… It was not vicious, she was just playing, obviously too rough, the chickens are a pound to maybe two. We then paid them 400$, (50$ a chicken). Any suggestions on us talking to them try to split the cost with them?[/quote]

Why should they have to pay for your dog killing the chickens because you did not provide adequate restraint? You were at notice that your dog is an escape artist. This is your fault alone.

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[quote]WN76 wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]WN76 wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]WN76 wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]AliveAgain36 wrote:

[quote]Revanchist wrote:
After a similar incident, I carry a folding knife with me everytime I walk my German short-haired pointer for this very reason. In the eyes of the law, you would be justified in defending yourself and your dog from such open aggression on what amounts to public property.[/quote]
My family and I were walking our dog in a park and got attacked by a giant German Shepard. I had nothing with me but a non-attack dog, three kids under the age of 8 (including a baby), and my tiny wife. I got the shit kicked out of me by this fucking dog but managed to make it out okay with no injuries to my family. Folding knife… No question. Wish I woulda had one. Easy to judge this as, but no way if you are in a similar situation trying to protect your family…[/quote]

If you got the shit kicked out of you by a giant German Shepherd why would wish you had a knife and not a gun?

Why would you essentially bring a knife to a knife fight when you can bring a gun to a knife fight?[/quote]

I believe a knife is the better option given the circumstances, especially if the dog has already closed the gap. You don’t risk shooting your dog, kids, wife, or bystanders in the scuffle

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Yes, obviously, there is a lower risk to innocents.

Any decent folding knife will have enough blade to kill a GSD. Handguns just make things bleed, and the knife would be better suited at it given the above mentioned scenario.

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I see.

Large German Shepherd attacks and is attempting to rip man’s arm off. Man uses other arm to fish folding knife out of his pocket and then opens it singlehanded. Then he manages to accurately inflict lethal stab.

OK. Sure. You betcha.

You didn’t bother to think this thing through, did you?

Handguns just make things bleed, huh? A 165 gr bullet out of a .40 S & W delivers ~450 ft/lbs of energy out of the muzzle which is where the dog will be in that situation.

Some of you have no concept of what a large fighting dog can do to disrupt your day. I’ve been around them. I’ve seen them in action. You aint even close to being able to fiddle-fart around with your folding knife. It would be tough enough to unholster your gun.

If you can get a knife close enough to a dog to deliver lethal strikes you can get your gun close enough (point blank) to fire several lethal shots.[/quote]

If you can unholster a handgun from a concealed holster, you can get to a knife. CCW isn’t an option for everyone. Oh, and many people can open a folding knife with one hand. A lot of them are designed to be opened in such a manner.

Go ahead. Get your pistol out and take a controlled shot at the large GSD “ripping your arm off”. Press it right up on the dog’s stationary head, point blank. While it’s latched onto your arm it won’t be thrashing it’s head, resulting in the gun being taken out of battery, or worse, making you misplace the shot into your own arm. How far does that 165 gr .40S&W penetrate? Let’s say 12 inches with a hollowpoint. Yea, I wouldn’t worry about over penetration. Who needs to be accountable for their shots? Don’t forget you have 5 family members within feet of you and the dog is probably moving you around pretty good. I’d much rather put myself at more risk than put my family at the slightest risk of being shot, by ME. I think you’re being reckless and irresponsible.

A full grown man armed with a knife will surely win against a large dog. The poster above did it unarmed. We’re talking about a dog you might encounter while out with your family, not a hyena. I’ve been attacked by several dogs, the worst being a 110 lb Shepherd when I was a thirteen. I still have the scar on my stomach, but I made it.

As for your confidence in handguns and doubt of the blade, I suggest you go have a look over in the Combat forum and familiarize yourself with some of the material there.
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A Asp baton might be a better option at least you have a little more reach. A lot of areas have are really vague on knife laws like in Alabama where the state takes a relatively hands off approach and lets cities and municipalities decide on there own knife laws some of them fairly strict on the length of the blade. Normally when i am hiking i carry a handgun due to the fact that i live in a semi-rural area in a gun friendly state and wild animal attacks often involve multiple animals, but if a handgun isn’t an option id feel much more comfortable with a collapsible baton than a pocket knife.

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[quote]JC529 wrote:
I have a question as to what we should do as well. Didn’t want to make another thread.

Quickly, my dog is an escape artist. Always getting out. We’ve put up two or three fences to try and hold her in, but she always figures out another way. Today she escaped and someone called saying they had her. We go get her to find that she was playing with this family’s eight prize chickens in their backyard and killed all of the… It was not vicious, she was just playing, obviously too rough, the chickens are a pound to maybe two. We then paid them 400$, (50$ a chicken). Any suggestions on us talking to them try to split the cost with them?[/quote]
Just suck it up and pay the bill. You and your dog are at fault.

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Reason why I always have a survival knife within easy grasp.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

Then fucking get trained. Don’t be a pansyass Englishman that has allowed his government to legislate away his best, most effective method of self defense.

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Trained? Like the majority of Americans do at gun ranges but are never around when shit goes down or get killed/severely injured?

If a man walks into your shop and starts shooting how useful is your permit to carry going to be when there are people behind him?

UK is nowhere near as violent as the USA so do not compare.

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If you are so magnificent with a knife that you can pinpoint it to a whirling, snarling, biting German Shepherd’s eyes then you’re probably capable of placing a muzzle to said dog’s ear and punching it (repeatedly) with 450 ft/lbs of energy that will most certainly cause it to do more than bleed.[/quote]

Doesn’t have to be an eye but say you do get your gun out, its the same chance as a knife. Yes a gun is more effective but when it comes down to it how are you going to keep it steady?

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you guys are silly

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]WN76 wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]WN76 wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]WN76 wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]AliveAgain36 wrote:

[quote]Revanchist wrote:
After a similar incident, I carry a folding knife with me everytime I walk my German short-haired pointer for this very reason. In the eyes of the law, you would be justified in defending yourself and your dog from such open aggression on what amounts to public property.[/quote]
My family and I were walking our dog in a park and got attacked by a giant German Shepard. I had nothing with me but a non-attack dog, three kids under the age of 8 (including a baby), and my tiny wife. I got the shit kicked out of me by this fucking dog but managed to make it out okay with no injuries to my family. Folding knife… No question. Wish I woulda had one. Easy to judge this as, but no way if you are in a similar situation trying to protect your family…[/quote]

If you got the shit kicked out of you by a giant German Shepherd why would wish you had a knife and not a gun?

Why would you essentially bring a knife to a knife fight when you can bring a gun to a knife fight?[/quote]

I believe a knife is the better option given the circumstances, especially if the dog has already closed the gap. You don’t risk shooting your dog, kids, wife, or bystanders in the scuffle

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Yes, obviously, there is a lower risk to innocents.

Any decent folding knife will have enough blade to kill a GSD. Handguns just make things bleed, and the knife would be better suited at it given the above mentioned scenario.

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I see.

Large German Shepherd attacks and is attempting to rip man’s arm off. Man uses other arm to fish folding knife out of his pocket and then opens it singlehanded. Then he manages to accurately inflict lethal stab.

OK. Sure. You betcha.

You didn’t bother to think this thing through, did you?

Handguns just make things bleed, huh? A 165 gr bullet out of a .40 S & W delivers ~450 ft/lbs of energy out of the muzzle which is where the dog will be in that situation.

Some of you have no concept of what a large fighting dog can do to disrupt your day. I’ve been around them. I’ve seen them in action. You aint even close to being able to fiddle-fart around with your folding knife. It would be tough enough to unholster your gun.

If you can get a knife close enough to a dog to deliver lethal strikes you can get your gun close enough (point blank) to fire several lethal shots.[/quote]

If you can unholster a handgun from a concealed holster, you can get to a knife. CCW isn’t an option for everyone. Oh, and many people can open a folding knife with one hand. A lot of them are designed to be opened in such a manner.

Go ahead. Get your pistol out and take a controlled shot at the large GSD “ripping your arm off”. Press it right up on the dog’s stationary head, point blank. While it’s latched onto your arm it won’t be thrashing it’s head, resulting in the gun being taken out of battery, or worse, making you misplace the shot into your own arm. How far does that 165 gr .40S&W penetrate? Let’s say 12 inches with a hollowpoint. Yea, I wouldn’t worry about over penetration. Who needs to be accountable for their shots? Don’t forget you have 5 family members within feet of you and the dog is probably moving you around pretty good. I’d much rather put myself at more risk than put my family at the slightest risk of being shot, by ME. I think you’re being reckless and irresponsible.

A full grown man armed with a knife will surely win against a large dog. The poster above did it unarmed. We’re talking about a dog you might encounter while out with your family, not a hyena. I’ve been attacked by several dogs, the worst being a 110 lb Shepherd when I was a thirteen. I still have the scar on my stomach, but I made it.

As for your confidence in handguns and doubt of the blade, I suggest you go have a look over in the Combat forum and familiarize yourself with some of the material there.
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Go back and read my posts again. Apparently you missed them.

As for my surmised confidence in handguns and doubt of the blade, you surely have jumped to conclusions that you shouldn’t have reached.

Each has its limitations and advantages. One should know them.

However, in this type situation I will firmly reiterate that the gun is the preferred choice of weapon.

Sitting next to me as I type this is a friend of mine who is a US Army personal self defense trainer who has also handled military attack dogs. His response when I described this situation to him and gave him the choice of gun or knife? “I’d take the handgun every single time. People overestimate the effectiveness of a blade against a large fighting animal. You’d have a very tough time incapacitating a dog on the fight with a blade. In fact, it might infuriate him more and aggravate the situation.”

With that being said I’d have to go with the idea that YOU are the one being “reckless and irresponsible,” or at the very least ignorant and naive.
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Let’s go into this scenario a little further.

You are walking in a residential area with your small children, wife, and dog. Out of nowhere, a large German Shepherd latches onto your arm. The GSD is not likely to fatally wound you, but could kill your children or dog if given the opporunity. It’s currently engaging you, so the threat to life is not currently a factor.

It’s thrashing around wildly. You’re family is standing within feet of you. If you miss a shot, or a shot over penetrates the animal, you now have a bullet that is heading toward something that is not it’s intended target. Your child, wife, dog, or any bystand may be struck with this bullet. This is a risk I am not comfortable with given that my life, nor anyone else’s life is currently at risk. That is why I would opt for a knife in this specific scenario.

I’m not arguing that a handgun wouldn’t stop a dog. It would. I just wouldn’t fire shots at a dog attacking ME when the risk of shooting my child is possible.