First off you have to take into account where the dog has his grip. Trained sport dogs do the whole arm bite without letting go because they go after the sleeve. A dog that is untrained or trained to be civil (like a personal protection dog) will target whatever it can. They don’t go after the sleeve, they go after the man. If you pull out a knife to stab it, it might just let go and bite that arm. Also, when you see dogs in training the decoy is wearing a bite sleeve and sometimes a bite suit. You won’t. Decoys have been hurt even with the equipment on as some dogs bite that hard. Without a sleeve on a shepherd can bite hard enough to break your bones. You won’t be swinging the dog around; you’ll be screaming in pain. When/if you hit the dog to get it off it will go after that arm. If/when you end up on the ground it just might bite your face, neck, whatever it can.
Of course not every dog will do this. “Luckily” most breeders of guard/protection/police type dogs have bred these traits, these working dog traits, out and sissified them. However, some breeders still maintain the original working traits and attributes and I am lucky enough to own a Czech GSD out of working lines. If you come across a serious dog. A hard dog. A real dog. Then, you are probably screwed. I had a rottweiler and someone broke a chair over his back. It didn’t faze him.
Anyone who is saying a gun is the best option would be right. The problem as some have mentioned is that it can be hard to shoot with a dog biting you. If you are down you might be too busy protecting your face and throat to draw a weapon. There is also the possibility, depending on the dog’s training, that it will attack the gun before you get to use it. And the dog will be faster than you. What you will need to do is immobilize the dog before shooting it. Good luck.
The way I see it the only honorable course of action is to fight the dog unarmed. The dog has no external weaponry. You must meet him on the field of battle armed only with your might and savagery!
[quote]theuofh wrote:
Potentially violent dog, urban environment, surrounded by loved ones, with various innocent bystanders in vicinity
…Looked to me like the “shoot it” method worked out fine in this particular scenario[/quote]
Gun was already out and pointed at the dog. Dog was not yet biting the shooter. No one is arguing if a gun will kill a dog. The argument is about which weapon would be the best option given the scenario discussed previously. I consider friendly fire in a non-lethal situation to be unacceptable.
[quote]Revanchist wrote:
After a similar incident, I carry a folding knife with me everytime I walk my German short-haired pointer for this very reason. In the eyes of the law, you would be justified in defending yourself and your dog from such open aggression on what amounts to public property.[/quote]
My family and I were walking our dog in a park and got attacked by a giant German Shepard. I had nothing with me but a non-attack dog, three kids under the age of 8 (including a baby), and my tiny wife. I got the shit kicked out of me by this fucking dog but managed to make it out okay with no injuries to my family. Folding knife… No question. Wish I woulda had one. Easy to judge this as, but no way if you are in a similar situation trying to protect your family…[/quote]
If you got the shit kicked out of you by a giant German Shepherd why would wish you had a knife and not a gun?
Why would you essentially bring a knife to a knife fight when you can bring a gun to a knife fight?[/quote]
I believe a knife is the better option given the circumstances, especially if the dog has already closed the gap. You don’t risk shooting your dog, kids, wife, or bystanders in the scuffle
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Yes, obviously, there is a lower risk to innocents.
Any decent folding knife will have enough blade to kill a GSD. Handguns just make things bleed, and the knife would be better suited at it given the above mentioned scenario.
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I see.
Large German Shepherd attacks and is attempting to rip man’s arm off. Man uses other arm to fish folding knife out of his pocket and then opens it singlehanded. Then he manages to accurately inflict lethal stab.
OK. Sure. You betcha.
You didn’t bother to think this thing through, did you?
Handguns just make things bleed, huh? A 165 gr bullet out of a .40 S & W delivers ~450 ft/lbs of energy out of the muzzle which is where the dog will be in that situation.
Some of you have no concept of what a large fighting dog can do to disrupt your day. I’ve been around them. I’ve seen them in action. You aint even close to being able to fiddle-fart around with your folding knife. It would be tough enough to unholster your gun.
If you can get a knife close enough to a dog to deliver lethal strikes you can get your gun close enough (point blank) to fire several lethal shots.[/quote]
If you can unholster a handgun from a concealed holster, you can get to a knife. CCW isn’t an option for everyone. Oh, and many people can open a folding knife with one hand. A lot of them are designed to be opened in such a manner.
Go ahead. Get your pistol out and take a controlled shot at the large GSD “ripping your arm off”. Press it right up on the dog’s stationary head, point blank. While it’s latched onto your arm it won’t be thrashing it’s head, resulting in the gun being taken out of battery, or worse, making you misplace the shot into your own arm. How far does that 165 gr .40S&W penetrate? Let’s say 12 inches with a hollowpoint. Yea, I wouldn’t worry about over penetration. Who needs to be accountable for their shots? Don’t forget you have 5 family members within feet of you and the dog is probably moving you around pretty good. I’d much rather put myself at more risk than put my family at the slightest risk of being shot, by ME. I think you’re being reckless and irresponsible.
A full grown man armed with a knife will surely win against a large dog. The poster above did it unarmed. We’re talking about a dog you might encounter while out with your family, not a hyena. I’ve been attacked by several dogs, the worst being a 110 lb Shepherd when I was a thirteen. I still have the scar on my stomach, but I made it.
As for your confidence in handguns and doubt of the blade, I suggest you go have a look over in the Combat forum and familiarize yourself with some of the material there.
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Go back and read my posts again. Apparently you missed them.
As for my surmised confidence in handguns and doubt of the blade, you surely have jumped to conclusions that you shouldn’t have reached.
Each has its limitations and advantages. One should know them.
However, in this type situation I will firmly reiterate that the gun is the preferred choice of weapon.
Sitting next to me as I type this is a friend of mine who is a US Army personal self defense trainer who has also handled military attack dogs. His response when I described this situation to him and gave him the choice of gun or knife? “I’d take the handgun every single time. People overestimate the effectiveness of a blade against a large fighting animal. You’d have a very tough time incapacitating a dog on the fight with a blade. In fact, it might infuriate him more and aggravate the situation.”
With that being said I’d have to go with the idea that YOU are the one being “reckless and irresponsible,” or at the very least ignorant and naive.
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Dude, your points of reference are trained guys who fight dos all the time. Get over yourself Alpha Male. I’m just a regular schmo walking with my family. I gather from your posts that your a ninja with extreme cqc skills… Which I’m not. The average guy doesn’t want a gun. I survived without any long term damage. Sure, in your opinion, woulda been nice had I shot this dog in the face… But back to reality, I woulda probably fired wildly and done more harm than good. Knife, no question.
[quote]Revanchist wrote:
After a similar incident, I carry a folding knife with me everytime I walk my German short-haired pointer for this very reason. In the eyes of the law, you would be justified in defending yourself and your dog from such open aggression on what amounts to public property.[/quote]
My family and I were walking our dog in a park and got attacked by a giant German Shepard. I had nothing with me but a non-attack dog, three kids under the age of 8 (including a baby), and my tiny wife. I got the shit kicked out of me by this fucking dog but managed to make it out okay with no injuries to my family. Folding knife… No question. Wish I woulda had one. Easy to judge this as, but no way if you are in a similar situation trying to protect your family…[/quote]
If you got the shit kicked out of you by a giant German Shepherd why would wish you had a knife and not a gun?
Why would you essentially bring a knife to a knife fight when you can bring a gun to a knife fight?[/quote]
I believe a knife is the better option given the circumstances, especially if the dog has already closed the gap. You don’t risk shooting your dog, kids, wife, or bystanders in the scuffle
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Yes, obviously, there is a lower risk to innocents.
Any decent folding knife will have enough blade to kill a GSD. Handguns just make things bleed, and the knife would be better suited at it given the above mentioned scenario.
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I see.
Large German Shepherd attacks and is attempting to rip man’s arm off. Man uses other arm to fish folding knife out of his pocket and then opens it singlehanded. Then he manages to accurately inflict lethal stab.
OK. Sure. You betcha.
You didn’t bother to think this thing through, did you?
Handguns just make things bleed, huh? A 165 gr bullet out of a .40 S & W delivers ~450 ft/lbs of energy out of the muzzle which is where the dog will be in that situation.
Some of you have no concept of what a large fighting dog can do to disrupt your day. I’ve been around them. I’ve seen them in action. You aint even close to being able to fiddle-fart around with your folding knife. It would be tough enough to unholster your gun.
If you can get a knife close enough to a dog to deliver lethal strikes you can get your gun close enough (point blank) to fire several lethal shots.[/quote]
You’re right motherfucker… I didn’t think it through. I was younger and dumber at the time, and generally don’t find myself in situations where I have to deal with large fighting dogs (and am happy about it). We’re not all trained ninja’s bro.[/quote]
Listen cocksucker, I wasn’t responding to you. Pay attention to the quotes.
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Sorry bitch…you were firing blindly with your responses and I guess I couldn’t keep up… Just like I woulda been with a gun in my hand in this situation… Jk… No disrespect,…
[quote]theuofh wrote:
Potentially violent dog, urban environment, surrounded by loved ones, with various innocent bystanders in vicinity
…Looked to me like the “shoot it” method worked out fine in this particular scenario[/quote]
Oh that made me sad. The dog was trying to protect his owner. So sad. I get it, police don’t have to get bit, but still made me sad.[/quote]
WTF!!! OMG. This is horrible! Fucking cops!
[quote]theuofh wrote:
Potentially violent dog, urban environment, surrounded by loved ones, with various innocent bystanders in vicinity
…Looked to me like the “shoot it” method worked out fine in this particular scenario[/quote]
Oh that made me sad. The dog was trying to protect his owner. So sad. I get it, police don’t have to get bit, but still made me sad.[/quote]
WTF!!! OMG. This is horrible! Fucking cops![/quote]
But for the record, I would have probably shot the dog too, given the circumstances,. Easy to play Monday morning QB. But when a rot is ready to roll, you gotta protect yourself and your partners. No disrespect to law enforcement…
[quote]theuofh wrote:
Potentially violent dog, urban environment, surrounded by loved ones, with various innocent bystanders in vicinity
…Looked to me like the “shoot it” method worked out fine in this particular scenario[/quote]
Oh that made me sad. The dog was trying to protect his owner. So sad. I get it, police don’t have to get bit, but still made me sad.[/quote]
WTF!!! OMG. This is horrible! Fucking cops![/quote]
Is your post meaning I am condemning the cops because I am not. As I said, they should not have to suffer the bite. I just thought it was sad.
[quote]theuofh wrote:
Potentially violent dog, urban environment, surrounded by loved ones, with various innocent bystanders in vicinity
…Looked to me like the “shoot it” method worked out fine in this particular scenario[/quote]
Oh that made me sad. The dog was trying to protect his owner. So sad. I get it, police don’t have to get bit, but still made me sad.[/quote]
WTF!!! OMG. This is horrible! Fucking cops![/quote]
Is your post meaning I am condemning the cops because I am not. As I said, they should not have to suffer the bite. I just thought it was sad.
Cool your jets fella
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Not at all… I responded in a follow up post that I woulda done the dame… Jets r cool…
[quote]theuofh wrote:
Potentially violent dog, urban environment, surrounded by loved ones, with various innocent bystanders in vicinity
…Looked to me like the “shoot it” method worked out fine in this particular scenario[/quote]
Oh that made me sad. The dog was trying to protect his owner. So sad. I get it, police don’t have to get bit, but still made me sad.[/quote]
WTF!!! OMG. This is horrible! Fucking cops![/quote]
Is your post meaning I am condemning the cops because I am not. As I said, they should not have to suffer the bite. I just thought it was sad.
Cool your jets fella
*not dame… Same… Auto correct.
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Not at all… I responded in a follow up post that I woulda done the dame… Jets r cool…[/quote]
[quote]theuofh wrote:
Potentially violent dog, urban environment, surrounded by loved ones, with various innocent bystanders in vicinity
…Looked to me like the “shoot it” method worked out fine in this particular scenario[/quote]
Oh that made me sad. The dog was trying to protect his owner. So sad. I get it, police don’t have to get bit, but still made me sad.[/quote]
WTF!!! OMG. This is horrible! Fucking cops![/quote]
Is your post meaning I am condemning the cops because I am not. As I said, they should not have to suffer the bite. I just thought it was sad.
Cool your jets fella
*not dame… Same… Auto correct.
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Not at all… I responded in a follow up post that I woulda done the dame… Jets r cool…[/quote]
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Quote errors and typos suck don’t they?
I get what you are saying. The officer should not have to wait until he has been bit. But I still think it was sad. Two different things.
