[quote]AliveAgain36 wrote:
With dog on my arm and spinning me all around, I would probably fired wildly vs just stabbing the dog in the neck. My family was within 2 feet of me. I’m not a trained assassin or anything. But sure, any weapon would have been great that day - a parameter of clay-mores for instance. [/quote]
How did that whole situation go down btw? What got the dog off you?
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]AliveAgain36 wrote:
With dog on my arm and spinning me all around, I would probably fired wildly vs just stabbing the dog in the neck. My family was within 2 feet of me. I’m not a trained assassin or anything. But sure, any weapon would have been great that day - a parameter of clay-mores for instance. [/quote]
How did that whole situation go down btw? What got the dog off you?[/quote]
Yes please. That is definitely a story I want to hear if you don’t mind telling it.
[quote]AliveAgain36 wrote:
[quote]Revanchist wrote:
After a similar incident, I carry a folding knife with me everytime I walk my German short-haired pointer for this very reason. In the eyes of the law, you would be justified in defending yourself and your dog from such open aggression on what amounts to public property.[/quote]
My family and I were walking our dog in a park and got attacked by a giant German Shepard. I had nothing with me but a non-attack dog, three kids under the age of 8 (including a baby), and my tiny wife. I got the shit kicked out of me by this fucking dog but managed to make it out okay with no injuries to my family. Folding knife… No question. Wish I woulda had one. Easy to judge this as, but no way if you are in a similar situation trying to protect your family…[/quote]
Well done! My father trained German Shepards for the police force and they can instill great fear in a man when they come at you. Seasoned criminals have wet themselves while being taken down by a Shepard. Your family should be proud of you. Very courageous.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]harrypotter wrote:
No, dont bring a gun to a dog fight…
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It wasn’t a dog fight. It was a dog/human fight.
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Yeah so you’ve got a dog latched onto your arm/leg or worse your crotch/neck and you think you will be able to shoot it with reasonable accuracy around friends, family or other people?
People are not trained for such scenarios unless they actually are so I dont see a gun being very effective. A knife to any animals eyes will stop it immediately.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]WN76 wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]AliveAgain36 wrote:
[quote]Revanchist wrote:
After a similar incident, I carry a folding knife with me everytime I walk my German short-haired pointer for this very reason. In the eyes of the law, you would be justified in defending yourself and your dog from such open aggression on what amounts to public property.[/quote]
My family and I were walking our dog in a park and got attacked by a giant German Shepard. I had nothing with me but a non-attack dog, three kids under the age of 8 (including a baby), and my tiny wife. I got the shit kicked out of me by this fucking dog but managed to make it out okay with no injuries to my family. Folding knife… No question. Wish I woulda had one. Easy to judge this as, but no way if you are in a similar situation trying to protect your family…[/quote]
If you got the shit kicked out of you by a giant German Shepherd why would wish you had a knife and not a gun?
Why would you essentially bring a knife to a knife fight when you can bring a gun to a knife fight?[/quote]
I believe a knife is the better option given the circumstances, especially if the dog has already closed the gap. You don’t risk shooting your dog, kids, wife, or bystanders in the scuffle
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Yes, obviously, there is a lower risk to innocents.
Any decent folding knife will have enough blade to kill a GSD. Handguns just make things bleed, and the knife would be better suited at it given the above mentioned scenario.
Better just nuke the dog from orbit, only way to be sure.
[quote]Steel Nation wrote:
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]AliveAgain36 wrote:
With dog on my arm and spinning me all around, I would probably fired wildly vs just stabbing the dog in the neck. My family was within 2 feet of me. I’m not a trained assassin or anything. But sure, any weapon would have been great that day - a parameter of clay-mores for instance. [/quote]
How did that whole situation go down btw? What got the dog off you?[/quote]
Yes please. That is definitely a story I want to hear if you don’t mind telling it.[/quote]
So we are going down this trail within woods that tons of people use, joggers, walkers, etc. It runs along a river and it’s a nice walking path for a family. Comes out a playground my older kids liked at the time. I have my collie who is somewhat large, but not aggressive at all. This woman is coming towards us with what seemed a very large German Sheppard. I don’t know exactly how big it was, but German Sheppards have always scared the shit out of me. I had a bad feeling seeing the way this woman was trying to hold the leash. She got about 15 feet away and just let go of the leash because she couldn’t hold it anymore I guess (basically owning / walking a dog in a public setting she had no business with).
So… This dog goes right at my dog. I honestly don’t think my dog did anything to provoke the attack (other than being a dog). Never had an aggressive issue with her before or after (and it’s a collie). Out of instinct (not balls mind you - instinct… I’m a lover not a fighter), I jumped in between this on coming dog and my family and put my arm out and this thing clamped right down on it. Instinct told me to try to stay standing because somewhere I learned you never want to go to the ground against a dog or you are totally fucked (sub-conscience made my focus on keeping on my feet). So I start kind of kicking at the dog but the angle was all wrong to do much damage. I was more trying to stay standing than kick. I didn’t do anything with my other arm but use it to keep balance - don’t know why but didn’t punch. I may not have seen an open shot or something. The owner finally runs up and grabs the leash which made the dog release - thank god. At this point I stepped back and yelled as loud as I could, “GET YOUR FUCKING DOG AWAY FROM MY FAMILY”… and they both split.
It all went down in like 7 seconds but felt a lot longer. Felt bad for my kids cuz it scared the shit out of 'em (bad, but good in a way cuz the oldest one learned a lesson that day for sure about dangerous dogs). I also felt bad cuz I did’t use cuss words around them (especially at that age), but sometimes the situation requires it!
In hind sight, we should have gone back to the car, and then I should have gone and confronted this woman and got her info. I was totally fucking shook up though (and younger and dumber), and just wanted to get out of there. I immediately thought how much worse it could have been and wanted to get home. I have a pretty bad ass scar from the whole thing though. I also definitely should have gotten a rabbis test, but I didn’t and I’m still alive.
Point of the story, danger lurks everywhere and hits when you least expect it. I was unprepared for it, and lucky nothing worse happened. You say a knife wouldn’t have made a difference which might be true, but I would have taken anything in this situation if it would have helped in the slightest to help protect my family.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]WN76 wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]WN76 wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]AliveAgain36 wrote:
[quote]Revanchist wrote:
After a similar incident, I carry a folding knife with me everytime I walk my German short-haired pointer for this very reason. In the eyes of the law, you would be justified in defending yourself and your dog from such open aggression on what amounts to public property.[/quote]
My family and I were walking our dog in a park and got attacked by a giant German Shepard. I had nothing with me but a non-attack dog, three kids under the age of 8 (including a baby), and my tiny wife. I got the shit kicked out of me by this fucking dog but managed to make it out okay with no injuries to my family. Folding knife… No question. Wish I woulda had one. Easy to judge this as, but no way if you are in a similar situation trying to protect your family…[/quote]
If you got the shit kicked out of you by a giant German Shepherd why would wish you had a knife and not a gun?
Why would you essentially bring a knife to a knife fight when you can bring a gun to a knife fight?[/quote]
I believe a knife is the better option given the circumstances, especially if the dog has already closed the gap. You don’t risk shooting your dog, kids, wife, or bystanders in the scuffle
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Yes, obviously, there is a lower risk to innocents.
Any decent folding knife will have enough blade to kill a GSD. Handguns just make things bleed, and the knife would be better suited at it given the above mentioned scenario.
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I see.
Large German Shepherd attacks and is attempting to rip man’s arm off. Man uses other arm to fish folding knife out of his pocket and then opens it singlehanded. Then he manages to accurately inflict lethal stab.
OK. Sure. You betcha.
You didn’t bother to think this thing through, did you?
Handguns just make things bleed, huh? A 165 gr bullet out of a .40 S & W delivers ~450 ft/lbs of energy out of the muzzle which is where the dog will be in that situation.
Some of you have no concept of what a large fighting dog can do to disrupt your day. I’ve been around them. I’ve seen them in action. You aint even close to being able to fiddle-fart around with your folding knife. It would be tough enough to unholster your gun.
If you can get a knife close enough to a dog to deliver lethal strikes you can get your gun close enough (point blank) to fire several lethal shots.[/quote]
You’re right motherfucker… I didn’t think it through. I was younger and dumber at the time, and generally don’t find myself in situations where I have to deal with large fighting dogs (and am happy about it). We’re not all trained ninja’s bro.
[quote]AliveAgain36 wrote:
Out of instinct (not balls mind you - instinct… I’m a lover not a fighter), I jumped in between this on coming dog and my family and put my arm out and this thing clamped right down on it.[/quote]
Still a brave thing you did man.
[quote]AliveAgain36 wrote:
Badass story. [/quote]
Damn. I cringe every time I see some puny little thing getting her ass drug to and fro by A large dog. This is why.
My sister-in-law has a dog that’s very (hell, EXTREMELY) animal aggressive too, but she’s a pretty stout woman so she can control it on a leash.
Well done brother.
I guess the scare isn’t as cool as it used to be… But here she is!
[quote]AliveAgain36 wrote:
I guess the scare isn’t as cool as it used to be… But here she is![/quote]
One more try…
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]WN76 wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]WN76 wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]AliveAgain36 wrote:
[quote]Revanchist wrote:
After a similar incident, I carry a folding knife with me everytime I walk my German short-haired pointer for this very reason. In the eyes of the law, you would be justified in defending yourself and your dog from such open aggression on what amounts to public property.[/quote]
My family and I were walking our dog in a park and got attacked by a giant German Shepard. I had nothing with me but a non-attack dog, three kids under the age of 8 (including a baby), and my tiny wife. I got the shit kicked out of me by this fucking dog but managed to make it out okay with no injuries to my family. Folding knife… No question. Wish I woulda had one. Easy to judge this as, but no way if you are in a similar situation trying to protect your family…[/quote]
If you got the shit kicked out of you by a giant German Shepherd why would wish you had a knife and not a gun?
Why would you essentially bring a knife to a knife fight when you can bring a gun to a knife fight?[/quote]
I believe a knife is the better option given the circumstances, especially if the dog has already closed the gap. You don’t risk shooting your dog, kids, wife, or bystanders in the scuffle
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Yes, obviously, there is a lower risk to innocents.
Any decent folding knife will have enough blade to kill a GSD. Handguns just make things bleed, and the knife would be better suited at it given the above mentioned scenario.
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I see.
Large German Shepherd attacks and is attempting to rip man’s arm off. Man uses other arm to fish folding knife out of his pocket and then opens it singlehanded. Then he manages to accurately inflict lethal stab.
OK. Sure. You betcha.
You didn’t bother to think this thing through, did you?
Handguns just make things bleed, huh? A 165 gr bullet out of a .40 S & W delivers ~450 ft/lbs of energy out of the muzzle which is where the dog will be in that situation.
Some of you have no concept of what a large fighting dog can do to disrupt your day. I’ve been around them. I’ve seen them in action. You aint even close to being able to fiddle-fart around with your folding knife. It would be tough enough to unholster your gun.
If you can get a knife close enough to a dog to deliver lethal strikes you can get your gun close enough (point blank) to fire several lethal shots.[/quote]
If you can unholster a handgun from a concealed holster, you can get to a knife. CCW isn’t an option for everyone. Oh, and many people can open a folding knife with one hand. A lot of them are designed to be opened in such a manner.
Go ahead. Get your pistol out and take a controlled shot at the large GSD “ripping your arm off”. Press it right up on the dog’s stationary head, point blank. While it’s latched onto your arm it won’t be thrashing it’s head, resulting in the gun being taken out of battery, or worse, making you misplace the shot into your own arm. How far does that 165 gr .40S&W penetrate? Let’s say 12 inches with a hollowpoint. Yea, I wouldn’t worry about over penetration. Who needs to be accountable for their shots? Don’t forget you have 5 family members within feet of you and the dog is probably moving you around pretty good. I’d much rather put myself at more risk than put my family at the slightest risk of being shot, by ME. I think you’re being reckless and irresponsible.
A full grown man armed with a knife will surely win against a large dog. The poster above did it unarmed. We’re talking about a dog you might encounter while out with your family, not a hyena. I’ve been attacked by several dogs, the worst being a 110 lb Shepherd when I was a thirteen. I still have the scar on my stomach, but I made it.
As for your confidence in handguns and doubt of the blade, I suggest you go have a look over in the Combat forum and familiarize yourself with some of the material there.
[quote]AliveAgain36 wrote:
[quote]Steel Nation wrote:
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]AliveAgain36 wrote:
With dog on my arm and spinning me all around, I would probably fired wildly vs just stabbing the dog in the neck. My family was within 2 feet of me. I’m not a trained assassin or anything. But sure, any weapon would have been great that day - a parameter of clay-mores for instance. [/quote]
How did that whole situation go down btw? What got the dog off you?[/quote]
Yes please. That is definitely a story I want to hear if you don’t mind telling it.[/quote]
So we are going down this trail within woods that tons of people use, joggers, walkers, etc. It runs along a river and it’s a nice walking path for a family. Comes out a playground my older kids liked at the time. I have my collie who is somewhat large, but not aggressive at all. This woman is coming towards us with what seemed a very large German Sheppard. I don’t know exactly how big it was, but German Sheppards have always scared the shit out of me. I had a bad feeling seeing the way this woman was trying to hold the leash. She got about 15 feet away and just let go of the leash because she couldn’t hold it anymore I guess (basically owning / walking a dog in a public setting she had no business with).
So… This dog goes right at my dog. I honestly don’t think my dog did anything to provoke the attack (other than being a dog). Never had an aggressive issue with her before or after (and it’s a collie). Out of instinct (not balls mind you - instinct… I’m a lover not a fighter), I jumped in between this on coming dog and my family and put my arm out and this thing clamped right down on it. Instinct told me to try to stay standing because somewhere I learned you never want to go to the ground against a dog or you are totally fucked (sub-conscience made my focus on keeping on my feet). So I start kind of kicking at the dog but the angle was all wrong to do much damage. I was more trying to stay standing than kick. I didn’t do anything with my other arm but use it to keep balance - don’t know why but didn’t punch. I may not have seen an open shot or something. The owner finally runs up and grabs the leash which made the dog release - thank god. At this point I stepped back and yelled as loud as I could, “GET YOUR FUCKING DOG AWAY FROM MY FAMILY”… and they both split.
It all went down in like 7 seconds but felt a lot longer. Felt bad for my kids cuz it scared the shit out of 'em (bad, but good in a way cuz the oldest one learned a lesson that day for sure about dangerous dogs). I also felt bad cuz I did’t use cuss words around them (especially at that age), but sometimes the situation requires it!
In hind sight, we should have gone back to the car, and then I should have gone and confronted this woman and got her info. I was totally fucking shook up though (and younger and dumber), and just wanted to get out of there. I immediately thought how much worse it could have been and wanted to get home. I have a pretty bad ass scar from the whole thing though. I also definitely should have gotten a rabbis test, but I didn’t and I’m still alive.
Point of the story, danger lurks everywhere and hits when you least expect it. I was unprepared for it, and lucky nothing worse happened. You say a knife wouldn’t have made a difference which might be true, but I would have taken anything in this situation if it would have helped in the slightest to help protect my family. [/quote]
That’s crazy. I’m sure it was just instinct for you to jump in front and protect your family. Any man would, good job.
I have experience with German Shepherds. My friend has five of them and I watch them for her sometimes. Around me when i’m in the house with them they big cuddly dogs. Only one of them is trained to the point which might be on par with a police dog. I’ve taken them on walks with her before and I can see maybe two of her dogs possible being aggressive maybe after being provoked. A kid actually ran up to pet one of them once and she told the kid to back up and not pet the dog.
Anyways we took her in and she had two puncture wounds. She should be fine, they gave her some medication and made us put a collar on her so the other dog doesn’t lick her wound. She seems in good spirits as you can see.
