[quote]toocul4u wrote:
humans are not bomb calorimeters. humans have enzymes and hormones. that said, both quality and quantity of calorie matters. but calories in DO NOT EXACTLY = calories out in humans.[/quote]
So where do those extra calories go? Do “enzymes and hormones” cause that matter and the energy contained within to simply evaporate?[/quote]
stored or used. storage and use is affected by enzymes and hormones, which are affected by not just quantity, but quality of calorie. capiche?
[quote]alin wrote:
This is a great thread and I’m learning loads - thanks chaps.
In light of Martin NEVER writing a book, I am considering buying Girth Control. Does it give specifics on calories/meal plans (not actual meals, but macronutrients) or is it all science studies and conclusions?[/quote]
Martin is writing a book soon I believe. I have to say I’m intrigued by his approach and might buy his book.
[quote]alin wrote:
This is a great thread and I’m learning loads - thanks chaps.
In light of Martin NEVER writing a book, I am considering buying Girth Control. Does it give specifics on calories/meal plans (not actual meals, but macronutrients) or is it all science studies and conclusions?[/quote]
Martin is writing a book soon I believe. I have to say I’m intrigued by his approach and might buy his book. [/quote]
He’s been saying that for 3+ years (according to internet searches). I can’t see it happening.
i asked on the leptin diet forums on how the diet applies to bodybuilders, like does it come in the way of building muscle or some silly shit like that.
They told me
" Anytime a person has a sluggish metabolism/weight management concerns, is not following the Leptin Diet (which results in a cascade of negative impact on the blood sugar/insulin, thyroid and adrenal hormones,) it will also negatively impact muscle function, growth hormone, and tissue repair, etc. This includes body builders and other types of athletes. Any weight managment problems athlete or not clearly demonstrates that the leptin hormone is out of balance. It will also negatively impact the sex steroid hormones causing a disruption in the production or imbalance the ratios.
Following the Leptin Diet and if desired/needed using nutritional supplements to get nutritional reserves back on track is an integral part of healthy biochemistry and imperative for restoring healthy metabolism, repair, and optimal health. The physiology of these concerns are thoroughly explained by Byron Richards, CCN book Mastering Leptin. You may want to check it out at your local library or at http://www.wellnessresources.com/books/mastering_leptin.php. "
[quote]ultralars wrote:
i really want to know if anyone has done something like the leptin diet, like 3-4 meals per day, 4-6 hours between etc, and what was the results?
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I’ve been at my soon to be former job for two years. About one whole year of that I ate around 5 times a day with a 3 hour gap in between feedings. I’ve always been pretty lean so that hasn’t changed much (maybe a lil leaner). I will say though that I’m on a schedule and if I don’t eat within 4 hours I start to feel a lil weak.
I will not have the same liberties of eating whenever I want to with my new job and I will have to adjust accordingly. I’m thinking a giant shake before work (simplicity purposes), take one big protein dominant meal for my break, and another big meal in the evening.
I’ve thought about the lean gains method as it would be kinda useful, but I need to eat a lot to keep what little mass I have and can’t imagine trying to do that in an 8 hour window in a healthy fashion.
[quote]ultralars wrote:
i really want to know if anyone has done something like the leptin diet, like 3-4 meals per day, 4-6 hours between etc, and what was the results?
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Layne norton has some very solid research on protein frequency…suggesting exactly that 4 meals spread 4-6 hrs a part…
Thats exactly how i eat now…IFing just doesn;t work for me due to my schedule…
[quote]toocul4u wrote:
humans are not bomb calorimeters. humans have enzymes and hormones. that said, both quality and quantity of calorie matters. but calories in DO NOT EXACTLY = calories out in humans.[/quote]
So where do those extra calories go? Do “enzymes and hormones” cause that matter and the energy contained within to simply evaporate?[/quote]
stored or used. storage and use is affected by enzymes and hormones, which are affected by not just quantity, but quality of calorie. capiche?
[/quote]
[quote]toocul4u wrote:
humans are not bomb calorimeters. humans have enzymes and hormones. that said, both quality and quantity of calorie matters. but calories in DO NOT EXACTLY = calories out in humans.[/quote]
So where do those extra calories go? Do “enzymes and hormones” cause that matter and the energy contained within to simply evaporate?[/quote]
stored or used. storage and use is affected by enzymes and hormones, which are affected by not just quantity, but quality of calorie. capiche?
[/quote]
So storage and use don’t qualify as “out”?[/quote]
[quote]toocul4u wrote:
humans are not bomb calorimeters. humans have enzymes and hormones. that said, both quality and quantity of calorie matters. but calories in DO NOT EXACTLY = calories out in humans.[/quote]
I agree. People can keep drumming on the numbers, but I think there’s a lot more to it.
First, lets look at “cals in vs cals out”. What determines cals out? You have MBR, which is, hypothetically, the number of calories you burn in a day. But since eating more raises your metabolism (cals out), and eating less slows it - how do you calculate that? I’m actually really curious about this, is there a way to accurately monitor a persons metabolism throughout a normal day?
So, lets say my BMR is 2000 calories a day. I eat 2500 calories, and my BMR raises to 2100 - I set out to go 500 over maintenance and actually only go 400 over.
Then you have to consider the thermic effect of food. Some foods require more energy for the body to process than others - higher energy requirement = less “net” caloric gain. A thousand calories of ice cream nets you about a thousand calories, a thousand calories of broccoli? A bit less.
Then consider the type of food - recent article pointed out that, for example, glucose is stored preferentially in muscles and fructose is stored preferentially in the liver (and is more likely to be converted to fat). So the body would handle 500 calories of glucose differently (to some degree) than 500 calories of fructose.
Hormones play a huge role as well. Insulin highly affects protein sythesis and fat storage - insulin is released in response to blood sugar, not number of calories.
There are a lot of factors - I just find it too hard to believe that the only thing (or even the most important thing) is the number of calories a person eats.
[quote]toocul4u wrote:
humans are not bomb calorimeters. humans have enzymes and hormones. that said, both quality and quantity of calorie matters. but calories in DO NOT EXACTLY = calories out in humans.[/quote]
So where do those extra calories go? Do “enzymes and hormones” cause that matter and the energy contained within to simply evaporate?[/quote]
stored or used. storage and use is affected by enzymes and hormones, which are affected by not just quantity, but quality of calorie. capiche?
[/quote]
So storage and use don’t qualify as “out”?[/quote]
[quote]Rational Gaze wrote:
You’re not allowed to take more than 3 years to write a book?[/quote]
We don’t usually talk like that in England. You sound like character from ‘Friends’ already.
I didn’t say he has been writing it for three years, just that he was about to start writing it, for the last three years. That makes me think that he won’t.
[quote]toocul4u wrote:
humans are not bomb calorimeters. humans have enzymes and hormones. that said, both quality and quantity of calorie matters. but calories in DO NOT EXACTLY = calories out in humans.[/quote]
So where do those extra calories go? Do “enzymes and hormones” cause that matter and the energy contained within to simply evaporate?[/quote]
this is what i was wandering infact “calories in do not exactly = calories out” makes no sense as all we all know that calories in has no affect on calories out .
This is the true equation. calories in vs calories out is just a simple way of explaining this…
Calories in(adjusted for food not digested) = RMR + Thermic effect of food + thermic effect of activity + non exercise thermogenesis(random body twitching) + glycogen stored + fat stored
I also question your rebuttle that we won’t be able to accurately determine our needs?
if your eating similar macros everyday and have a regimented routine…then how come you can’t make adjustments to cals? If you haven’t gained weight in weeks…maybe you need to raise calories!
what is a better way to do things…Instinctively? or Just eating all protein and fat? eating all grass fed and organic foods?
[quote]D Public wrote:
This is the true equation. calories in vs calories out is just a simple way of explaining this…
Calories in(adjusted for food not digested) = RMR + Thermic effect of food + thermic effect of activity + non exercise thermogenesis(random body twitching) + glycogen stored + fat stored
I also question your rebuttle that we won’t be able to accurately determine our needs?
if your eating similar macros everyday and have a regimented routine…then how come you can’t make adjustments to cals? If you haven’t gained weight in weeks…maybe you need to raise calories!
what is a better way to do things…Instinctively? or Just eating all protein and fat? eating all grass fed and organic foods?
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I didn’t mean people can’t get a really good general idea of how many calories they should get - I was just wondering if there was a way to actually monitor someones calorie expendature throughout a day (perhaps by bodyheat/heart rate?).
And, of course, if you’re trying to grow but you aren’t, eating more is a good idea.
I think a better way to do things is to eat lots of vegetables (raw, mostly), avoid simple carbs except around workouts, and don’t eat right before bed.
[quote]toocul4u wrote:
humans are not bomb calorimeters. humans have enzymes and hormones. that said, both quality and quantity of calorie matters. but calories in DO NOT EXACTLY = calories out in humans.[/quote]
So where do those extra calories go? Do “enzymes and hormones” cause that matter and the energy contained within to simply evaporate?[/quote]
this is what i was wandering infact “calories in do not exactly = calories out” makes no sense as all we all know that calories in has no affect on calories out . [/quote]
what i mean is i take issue when people say that “a calorie is a calorie, and at the end of the day it does not matter if it is 10 calories of carb, 10 calories of fat, or 10 calories of protein, because calories in will equal calories out”
[quote]toocul4u wrote:
humans are not bomb calorimeters. humans have enzymes and hormones. that said, both quality and quantity of calorie matters. but calories in DO NOT EXACTLY = calories out in humans.[/quote]
So where do those extra calories go? Do “enzymes and hormones” cause that matter and the energy contained within to simply evaporate?[/quote]
stored or used. storage and use is affected by enzymes and hormones, which are affected by not just quantity, but quality of calorie. capiche?
[/quote]
So storage and use don’t qualify as “out”?[/quote]
How would storage qualify as “out”?[/quote]
Would you qualify fuel in the gas tank as being in the engine?
Anyone trying to argue that macronutrient composition is irrelevant (mostly wrt protein vs. carbs/fat and starch/fiber vs. sugar) is dumb. Anyone trying to construe the argument against low carb/paleo magic into that is knocking down strawmen.
[quote]toocul4u wrote:
humans are not bomb calorimeters. humans have enzymes and hormones. that said, both quality and quantity of calorie matters. but calories in DO NOT EXACTLY = calories out in humans.[/quote]
So where do those extra calories go? Do “enzymes and hormones” cause that matter and the energy contained within to simply evaporate?[/quote]
stored or used. storage and use is affected by enzymes and hormones, which are affected by not just quantity, but quality of calorie. capiche?
[/quote]
So storage and use don’t qualify as “out”?[/quote]
How would storage qualify as “out”?[/quote]
Would you qualify fuel in the gas tank as being in the engine?
Anyone trying to argue that macronutrient composition is irrelevant (mostly wrt protein vs. carbs/fat and starch/fiber vs. sugar) is dumb. Anyone trying to construe the argument against low carb/paleo magic into that is knocking down strawmen.[/quote]