If they prescribed 350mg/week and you just needed basic TRT, this is malpractice imo.
They are selling you a steroid cycle.
Continue like this indefinitely (which is what TRT is) and you’re looking for physiological issues.
If they prescribed 350mg/week and you just needed basic TRT, this is malpractice imo.
They are selling you a steroid cycle.
Continue like this indefinitely (which is what TRT is) and you’re looking for physiological issues.
If you read through the thread, I don’t think we can be certain about much at this point. OP has only gone through a 1/4 of a 10 mL vial in 35 days. The math does not add up.
Also that label being on crooked looks a little sketchy for a pharma product
This is a well known TRT company that is found near the top of a google search. They seem to reputable but I don’t know. I just took the second bottle they shipped with the first bottle out of the cardboard container. It has very slightly more than the one I’ve been using. I’m thinking the first bottle was filled to the top. Being subcutaneous injection could that be a reason for a higher daily dose? Also realized I wasn’t filling to the actual bottom of the rubber plunger so I’ve not been filling to prescribed dose.
You sure it’s not 25 mg a day?
From the photo, you have a typical 200 mg/mL T-cyp script. Now comes the confusing part, we know it can’t be 25 mL per day, even bodybuilders wouldn’t attempt that suicidal dose. So is it 0.25 mL (25 units on an insulin syringe) or is it 25 mg per day.
if it’s 0.25 ml (25 units), the T-dose would be 200 X 0.25 = 50 mg/day multiplied by 7 equals 350 mg per week. That’s getting close to a bodybuilder dose. I doubt any reputable TRT clinic would prescribe that much. So, that leaves us with 25 mg of T-cyp per day (0.125 mL or 12.5 units) using a 200 mg/mL T-cyp script. I’ll assume that’s what you are doing, so 25 X 7 = 175 mg per week.
Now, comes the most controversial part of the discussion, at least controversial for this forum, what is your goal? Is it to have more energy, feel better, younger, and recover from normal workouts more quickly? Or, is it all of the above plus to augment muscle mass beyond normal levels? I dispense advice for the former rather than the latter. While I don’t condone muscle mass augmentation (bodybuilding by any other name), it’s not my goal. I just don’t want to feel like a 65 year old man on the way out.
So, what is a good dose for feeling younger and more ‘normal’? It’s whatever dose you can get by with that achieves that goal and does not cause unacceptable side-effects. For me, that’s somewhere around 100 mg per week but sometimes I push that up to 125 mg per week. I use an E3D injection schedule (sometimes E2D) and measure my T levels at the nadir just prior to the next scheduled dose. I aim for a Total T level of a 30-40 year old health male but I also look at Free T because I have very high SHBG levels. If you’re not in the 30-40 year old age group, it’s difficult to know what your target range levels should be because laborites generally age-adjust the ranges and only give you the range for your age group. It compensate, I shoot for the 100% upper end of the range for my age group.
Typically, my T levels come in around around 1000 ng/dL and Free T comes in around 150 pg/mL (Dialysis method). At these levels, I feel great and do not have unacceptable side-effects. Typically, the most limiting side-effect from TRT is excessive hemoglobin production. Normally, my Hb levels hover around 17 g/dL and I never let it go above 18. I typically do a double red blood donation every 16 to 18 weeks.
So, long answer to a short question, is your 175 mg/wk T-dose about right/ For me, it’s too high and I would probably run into hemoglobin, DHT, and E2 issues at that dose.
Can you recommend a good T pill supplement? Thanks, Gary
If you mean a testosterone booster, no such supplement pill exists, only supplement companies preying on the the desperate and ignorant.
If you can’t increase testosterone with lifestyle changes, then you can’t increase it in the natural sense.
However, if you were to saturate the E2 Receptors, then the other issues with that will not be an issue, since you will also get the ratio of T to E2 at a high level.
At this point it’s the math that doesn’t add up. That is what is bothering me. I’m going to attach some pictures and if you have any ideas as to why more of the bottle isn’t empty I’d please explain.
Sent 60 syringes and there are 22 left. I’ve never to my knowledge used less than 20. They started me at 20 and recommended 25 based upon consultation.
Can you post a photo of the syringe you are using, and the latest bottle?
Yes… just a minute
Pics above. Thanks
Are you allowing enough time for the liquid to enter the syringe when drawing it up? With a 30 guage needle, it will take a few minutes for the liquid to be drawn in to the syringe. If you withdraw the needle from the vial too soon, it will suck air into the space. And you will be injecting mostly air.
Your dose is 0.25 mL (25 units on an insulin syringe) of 200 mg/mL T-cyp. Since you are injecting this daily, your daily dose is 0.25 X 200 = 50mg/day. Assuming you do this every day, that’s 50 X 7 =350 mg/week. That’s WAY too much in my opinion and experience, particularly since you are on a frequent (daily) dosing schedule. In my 10+ years of TRT experience, the more frequent you dose, the less T you need to inject to get the desired effect.
That circles us back around to defining exactly what is your desired effect? You need to filter the advice you receive in this forum (including my own) through the lens of your goal. I state mine up front, to feel “normal” again and to have the vitality (and hormone levels) of a man in his 30’s.
My best advice is to determine you optimum dosage by how you feel and by periodic hormone labs. I suspect that if you do a Total T (using the LS/MS method), you will find your T in the stratosphere at that dose. Your E2 and DHT levels will also be out of range and your hemoglobin levels will be out of range within a few months. At that point you’ll be chasing after controlling side-effects with other drugs. In my opinion, it’s not an optimal approach, but to each there own. There’s a learning curve to TRT.
I can only relate what years of experience have taught me. A total weekly dose of around 100 mg (I inject every 3 or sometimes 2 days) is optimal for me. Best wishes finding your own way!
Thanks for the advice guys. No I’m drawing into the needle fast. That may explain the disparity. I clearly haven’t been using .25 because the bottle would almost be empty. I’ll draw it slowly and drop the amount to like 15.
With a 30g needle you literally have to sit there for a few minutes watching it fill 1 drop at a time. You probably were injecting air.
The trick to making small gauge needles work with TRT, is to pull the plunder all the way back and keep it there as the thick oil slowly runs down the side of the syringe (or sometimes in drops) until the level is way past your target mark. Then you push the plunger back up SLOWLY to your target mark. The air in the solution will combine into small bubble that float upwards to be expelled back into the vial. In this case your target mark is 0.25 mL (25 units), so when the fluid fills to about 35 or 40 units let the plunger move back up on its own and then slowly push it back up to the target mark. The air will rise to the top and be expelled out through the needle. Any remaining air will be compressed to such a small volume that it is insignificant.
I use either a 28G or a 25 G insulin syringe and this method has worked well for me for over a decade. FYI, with a 28G needle, it will take about 1 minute to fill to about 35 mL prior to pushing back to the target mark. A 25G needle will take about half the time. I suspect a 30G needle will take up to 2 minutes.