I’m 25 and has 7th 100mg weekly injection at doc’s office 2 days ago Friday cause my total T-level was 209 back on late April lab which made me mad.
I remember back in September 2015 I got lab done at different doc and I use to watch porn and masturbate heavily and also had a horrible diet plus smoked cigarettes. Was also like 220lbs or so with 27+% body fat. My T-levels was like 315 I think.
I checked out of curiosity again sometime last summer like June or July 2017.I was on a diet and eating clean for over a month, had stopped masturbation and porn October 2016, and became a non-smoker April 2017. YET MY TOTAL T-LEVEL WAS LIKE 450 OR BELOW I CANT REMEMBER EXACT NUMBER. BUT BASICALLY IT WAS 115 POINTS OR LOWER THAN PREVIOUS. WTF?!? I WAS MAD CAUSE I THOUHT IT WAS GONNA BE AT LEAST MID-HIGH NORMAL RANGE.
SO MY QUESTION IS…DOES EATING CLEAN REALLY EFFECT T-LEVELS AS MUCH AS PEOPLE AND ARTICLES SAY??
How many years in your life were you not eating clean?
A year of eating clean isn’t very long. A month is a blink of an eye.
I believe what you eat & what you drink is one of the most important things you do.
It’s all holistic - what exercise do you do, what job do you do, how much sitting do you do, is your lifestyle an outdoors one or city based in an office? What recreational drugs do you use? Well done on quitting smoking - that is brilliant 
What I believe is we can’t expect to have the testosterone levels of a lumberjack from the 1700s 
if we sit in an office all day, sit in a car to & from that office, then lift weights for 2 hours a few times a week hehe
We literally are what we eat. What we ate yesterday becomes who we are today.
After 2.5 years of eating organic & tons of fruit & veg, my body is just beginning to recover from 30 years of modestly crappy eating.
I need a lot more patience as well though! I can be very impatient!
Injecting once weekly isn’t recommended, I would like to see this abolished as it’s not ideal. If you can tie your shoelaces, groom yourself then you can inject yourself at home. You’re not an invalid.
Eating healthy affects you thyroid more than your testosterone, everyone’s a little bit different, some people can eat like crap and still be thin and fit. Hypothyroidism is caused from all these processed foods and not getting the proper nutrients. More than half the population in the US has either subclinical hypothyroidism or full blown hypothyroidism do to eating crappy food.
Think about it the next time you eat out. Think whole foods, if it spoils fast it has less preservatives in it.
My PCP doesn’t prescribed injectible test it has to be shot at in his office by medical assistant…to be honest I don’t know how to inject my butt so that’s a good thing…bad thing I pay $10 every Friday for that 100mg shot lol.
I hope when I get my levels checked again after 3 month period I’m one of those that get in the high-normal range T at 100mg…id like to tell my doc that I’d wanna be in that range…since I do workout and young
I inject in shoulders using half inch insulin syringes EOD, that copay together with the bill sent to your insurance is the motivation behind injections at the office. It has nothing to do with safety because diabetics are taught how to inject insulin at home. Most men don’t feel well on weekly injections, you may never feel your best.
Insurance doctors are taught to target midrange, this is a mistake, there’s nothing to fear from youthful testosterone levels in the 800 ranges. My endo was happy with a trough of 440 ng/dL, the levels of a elderly person. This is what you can expect from fearful, unskilled doctors.
PCP’s have no business prescribing testosterone, you require a hormone specialists with some training in treating hormone replacement.
I almost made an appointment with an endocrinologist. He called me before the visit and said I’m too young for “treatment” but said we’ll talk about it. I didn’t end up going.
He’s afraid of getting sued for giving a young man TRT, if you were 50 he would then change his tune. You need to locate a compassionate doctor, endocrinologist and urologist typically fail miserably at TRT anyways because it’s not something they typically do on a regular basis.
The doors open when you start paying for TRT, private practice doctors play by a different set of rules versus insurance doctors. Some doctors are against TRT and view it negatively and refuse to stick their neck out for a 25 years old man in need of TRT. It’s funny how they will script you drugs, but not a natural hormone the body evolved to handle.
Private practice is usually something you pay for out of your own pocket, no insurance. When I started paying I started notice a difference in doctor knowledge, it makes insurance doctors look like the little league.
I would agree that you’re too young for TRT
I looked into getting on TRT when I was 28. My levels were as low as 160 or something crazy, but then again my readings were taken in the evening. My levels were re-taken when I got some “b0ner pilz” but I dont remember the number, they said “low below low” though. But between the time I got tested and now, my lifts all went up, my beard has flourished, and I actually look like I lift now.
I couldn’t afford that right now though. How much are you’re appointments and prescription costs? Are these similar to testosterone / low T clinics? Endo/urologist private doctors or PCP private doctors?
That’s exactly what I said a year ago, but I realize the suffering wouldn’t end until I made a move to a private clinic, this is the price to feel normal. Defy Medical on the low end is $1300 yearly, $2000 on the high end yearly, both numbers include everything from consults, medicine and labs.
Don’t confuse Defy Medical with these T-mills who charge crazy amounts of money, Defy staff competent doctors that can’t be found inside insurance networks. Dr. Saya left the sick care model because he wants to prevent disease, not wait around for disease to strike and then offer treatment.
Low testosterone leads to nasty diseases.
I’m in Houston,TX
Is that company somewhere else
Couldnt agree more with this. Costs are similar for me at a clinic here (Europe) (2kEUR/year) but I conscsiously figured this is an investment in myself, my wellbeing and especially future health. Fixing things now can prevent a lot of bad stuff and more expenses later…
As for the initial question: I found that its only when you’ve optimized everything naturally by good diet and exercise, that you can really determine where you’re at in terms of hormones. So to me that is where the value lies in changing diet and lifestyle for the better.
I’ve never had baselines checked when I was fat and unhealthy ( similar to OP bar for the porn and heavier 
) so there’s no way to really know for sure, but I just attributed my issues to the unhealthy lifestyle.
You take away the variabels a bad diet and lifestyle throw in, I imagine it’s going to be easier and more effective to get properly dialed in and you’re not just treating symptoms, but actually optimizing.
did you sign up for saya?
I had my consult an hour ago, I was blown away by Dr. Saya’s knowledge. He was able to see things in my lab work that my previous doctors missed.
i have an appointment with him also. two concerns tho, long waiting time for appointment and the fact that you check blood test 3 months and not 6 weeks worries me and then 6 months?
Technically you are paying for them with Defy anyway so just schedule your own through Quest or Labcorp when you need to.
You can schedule a checkup at one month instead of the 3rd month, it’s totally up to you.
Details on what he wants your protocol to be?