And? Oh wait, you’re trying to trigger me. I suppose I should be flattered that how I feel means more to you than how you feel means to me.
There are some who would argue you’re lucky.
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I definitely consider myself lucky.
It’s nice not being distracted.
From Plato’s Republic:
Take the poet Sophocles, for example. Just a while ago I was with him when somebody asked: “How’s your sex-life, Sophocles? Can you still get it on with a woman?” And he said “Oh be quiet, man. Honestly, I’m pretty happy to have left all that behind. It’s like I’ve finally made a getaway from some insane, sadistic taskmaster”
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Paternal Insecurity seems pretty reasonable tbh dude.
I can pull up a meta analysis with some 700,000 participants that ended up with a 10-11% rate of “paternal discrepancies” (you’re raising a child you think is yours, and it isn’t), across multiple countries.
10% chance of you raising a child that ain’t yours. Hard to take a bigger “L” in life than that.
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I would put this on the list of red flags for women when dating.
That list is already long as fuck, often with nonsensical stuff added too, but I do believe this is an indicator of insecurities. Gotta lock em down while you have em, that way they can’t get away!
I do think there are a number of guys who have been burnt by girls (and vice versa) to such an extent that they cannot trust women anymore. I know of a few men who trusted women when they had low bodycounts, but saw the utter indiscrimination at which “spoken for” women would cheat. It ruined their trust in women.
It’s not that all women cannot be trusted - it’s that it only takes a few crazy experiences to see how untrustworthy most people are. As you said, it absolutely becomes a problem if one cannot tell whether the other person is behaving in a trustworthy manner.
Some of the horror stories I’ve heard of women being the complete definition of “good girls”, who then turn around to be crazy or scandalous - is baffling. One was where a husband’s wife showed up to his literal deathbed with her new boyfriend, and was ignoring him as if the dude was already dead. They were married like 20 years if memory serves.
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Who is the better man?
The one who squirms away from his responsibilities or the one who takes one on the chin, does the right thing anyways, and turns the L into a W?
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You really missed the rest of that post, huh?
10% chance of you raising another man’s child - thinking it is your own.
No, I got it.
You didn’t answer the question though?
Who is the better man?
In the scenario I posed where the woman made you think you’re raising your child and it isn’t actually yours (literal cucking)?
Sounds like this baby already has a real daddy, and that the real daddy should be raising it. Neither that child, nor that woman is my responsibility at that point.
Regarding “whose the better man” - this is a bullshit phrase invented by women and proudly owned by men, to do right by women - even when they do wrong by men. This phrase is heavily flawed in it’s application.
A counter: if a good man stays to raise a baby who isn’t his, does that mean that any man who doesn’t stay to raise another man’s baby is a bad man?
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First: 
Second: its about raising your own. Sticking around and not squirming away from responsibility.
Its just a hypothetical man. Its of no harm to manhood to say that doing the much harder and morally right thing makes one a better man, and the guy that hits it, quits it, and leaves his child to be raised by another man is definitely a lesser man.
And whether or not that phrase was created by feminists is up for grabs. I know men love to, and often live to weigh themselves and others on a greater than less than continuum.
That behavior has been around a WHOLE lot longer than feminism.
Like a good friend of mine- he has a step son. He’s a good solid man. High net worth, hard working, good moral character. Does his best for everybody around him.
Is he a cucktard or what ever?
Should he ditch the kid, and/or his mother because the other guy is a lying manchild, drug addict, and scammer?
What kind of man would do that? The former won’t, but the latter did.
Does that make the lying scamming drug addict somehow more “alpha”?
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I agree. Raising your own kids is what good men do.
The phrase predates feminism for sure. It isn’t a feminist thing, though I’m sure todays feminists would love men to stick around to raise other men’s babies. I wasn’t assigning blame, just sharing an opinion on a phrase I find to be manipulative (which isn’t always a bad thing).
If “a good man raises his own kids and a bad man doesn’t raise his own kids” - I am okay with these definitions.
As I believe you and every other person in this thread is aware - definitions have been changing for some 20+ years now, which makes this ripe for the taking.
There is a big difference between entering a relationship with a woman who already had kids, and entering a monogamous relationship to find that the woman is sleeping around and letting you raise other men’s babies - under the guise they are your own.
Stepfathers who knowingly accept that situation, are fine.
if you want to get into a semi-ridiculous definition of Alpha/Beta, then technically it does make this individual more Alpha. But Alpha =/= Good and Beta =/= Bad. I can expand on this if you want, or we can just let this part die, your call.
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I’d be good with letting it die. I have to get a couple hours of sleep.
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This is both funny and unfunny. Not all men are insecure while actually single (completely womanless), but plenty go into panic mode from lackanookie. I think it’s a common symptom. Likely most men need a woman “locked down” or to be so attractive that they can go from single to taken by the end of the month without going into single-angry-man mode. They should keep that controlled when dealing with prospective women though.
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that is good. I’m going to use that, if you don’t mind.
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Good. I certainly did not come up
With it. 
Do you think it is morally wrong to not commit to taking care of a kid that isn’t yours?
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Conditionally. If one wants to marry the mom but neglect parental duties, or work to foist the kid off on grandparents or the deadbeat - yes. That is morally wrong.
But some random kid out of nowhere- No. Thats impossible.
Granted, some foster parents do this, but its unusual and takes a pretty special someone to step in like that.
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But you’re moving the goalposts. I’d agree that if you commit to being a dad to someone else’s kid by marrying the mom, while full well knowing it’s not biologically your kid, then you do have a responsibility to honor that commitment.
But that has nothing to do with paternity uncertainty. The question is what if you thought it was your kid and then found out it wasn’t. What is your moral responsibility in that situation? Not what might be a nice or respectable thing to do. But what is your duty?