Does Anyone Still Bulk and Cut If You're Natural?

Damnit, now I have “Lunatic Fringe” stuck in my head.

On that note though, I was kicking around getting a peg board for a while.

Nice!

For pre season conditioning we used to do circuits around the weight room at 1 minute per station, as many reps as possible, and lashes with the whistle leash for slacking. Then indian runs and bear crawls up and down the stadium steps.

Our coach didn’t really like us.

Those were so much fun! Its crazy how we used to move when we weighed next to nothing.

My kid (4yrs.) can scale almost anything, and pushes up on to his dresser into a jack knife- swings his knees in and Viola! on top like a gymnast after his thomas trains.

I think people started to underestimate the importance of training in bodybuilding. its like ‘’ yeah yeah training is the easy part, talk about nutrition and supplementation. ‘’ i am not saying this to the OP by the way, i just speak my mind.

I’m not sure I agree there. I work hard in the gym 4-5 days a week, it is much easier to push yourself in the gym for an hour a day than to educate and eat right for the other 23 hours a day

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I think that’s true. Look at how many people are killing themselves in the gym and not reaching their goals. They call victim to the “I did______today so I can eat that plate full of shit” mentality.

I also think gorilla might have meant that people are missing the forest b/c of all the trees. Simple training still gets results but a lot of people overthink it.

I totally agree with this. Getting your ass in a gym for an hour is definitely the easy part. It’s dietary adherence that separates the men from the boys.

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By adding more exercises and sets, PROVIDED that the initial volume and number of exercises was insufficient. Otherwise that would be adding volume for the sake of it and might actually drive one backwards.

Same reply as above.

Some have had success with increasing the frequency for a lagging body part.

Again, it depends on what the person currently does.

Generally speaking, bodybuilding training is 9 to 12 sets per body part once every five to seven days, as we’ve been discussing in the BB forum.

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Just my .02, yes bulking and cutting as a natty absolutely has its place, it just takes very, very meticulous planning. You have a slight caloric surplus with clean eating in your bulking phase, and when you start getting too puffy, a slight caloric deficit and a little cardio to cut. It really doesn’t take much, you want to add as much muscle as possible without adding too much fat, then lose only fat without risking LBM loss. Very careful planning and consistent execution is key. After my last show I put on about 23 pounds before I decided I was getting a little puffier than I wanted to, so I cut slowly for about 5 weeks and lost 6 pounds, then maintain and slowly add again. It can certainly be done and has great benefits.

“Permabulking” for a year IMO isn’t a great idea, eventually you’ll reach a point where you’re adding more fat than muscle. I recently got into cyclical bulking, basically you eat in a caloric surplus for 8-12 weeks or until you feel you’re gaining more fat than you want, then light cut for 3-4 weeks, repeat. The cut is very helpful for resetting insulin sensitivity and getting the fat burning hormones going, then when you’re back in a surplus the metabolism revs back up and it’s far easier to put on LBM. It’s also infinitely easier to add LBM when you’re leaner.

This is totally true, the most important thing is hitting your macros and calories for the day. Eating carbs before bed is fine, I eat 40g carbs every night before bed in my pre bed meal of cottage cheese, peanut butter, Metabolic Drive Protein, an organic apple and sprouted granola. I eat a bagel almost every day and was eating Jimmy John sandwiches with white bread while cutting. I’d definitely stay away from fast food and junk food, candy, etc., but starches and such are totally fine. Again, macros and cals above all!

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No matter what you maybe call it (bulking, mass gaining etc), you still won’t be able to force feed muscle growth. The lesson every first time competitor learns is that despite getting 20, 30, 40 lbs heavier in their off season, their actual stage weight will only increase a few pounds from year to year.

I’ve seen people argue that carrying excessive weight can affect your lifts and thereby your gym progress, but for a bodybuilder, it’s never really about how heavy the weights you’re lifting are anyway.

[my little public service announcement for the day]

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