Doctors Planning Exit Under Obamacare

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:

…Stop the immoral wars and healthcare and schooling could probably be paid for. We would have a healthier,more educated and safer public.
[/quote]

Even if the so called immoral wars ceased where in the world would the federal government find the authority in the constitution to fund healthcare and schooling?

By the way, please cite a “moral” war since I’m inferring you have distinctions in that regard.[/quote]

Not sure I can find a moral war so what is your point? Same place they find the ability to commence war without a congressional say so. But in this respect we have a more healthy population. Also make a paradigm shift in what constitutes health in med school. Nutrition should be a primary concern in regards to the prevention of and treatment of disease.
[/quote]

Oh, I see, you like to play dodgeball. OK.[/quote]
WTF are you talking about?

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[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:

[quote]CroatianRage wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:

…Stop the immoral wars and healthcare and schooling could probably be paid for. We would have a healthier,more educated and safer public.
[/quote]

Even if the so called immoral wars ceased where in the world would the federal government find the authority in the constitution to fund healthcare and schooling?

By the way, please cite a “moral” war since I’m inferring you have distinctions in that regard.[/quote]

Not sure I can find a moral war so what is your point? Same place they find the ability to commence war without a congressional say so. But in this respect we have a more healthy population. Also make a paradigm shift in what constitutes health in med school. Nutrition should be a primary concern in regards to the prevention of and treatment of disease.
[/quote]

What exactly about nutrition should be taught? On this site alone there are hundreds of diets and everyone thinks theirs is the best. Did you doctor run a food panel on you to suggest you stop eating gluten or what it a blind guess?
[/quote]
Nutrition ought to be taught as it is a primary reason for the prevention of and treatment of disease. Do you think they should all learn about pharmaceuticals for the treatment of disease. I know there is plenty of good info on this website but people should not have to become detectives to find out about nutrition. Doctors should know much more than they do. Nutrition should be front and center, not the stupid pharmaceutical commercials.

My gluten allergy was discovered by a progressive doctor who told me some people that have my symptoms are allergic to gluten. And viola that was the main catalyst of my issues. And to think the other classically trained doctor wanted me to shoot up with pharmaceuticals everyday and didn’t have a clue about the symptoms of gluten allergies.

Fuck Western medicine and the pharmaceutical companies![/quote]

What do you do for a living?

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[quote]Aragorn wrote:

[quote]engerland66 wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:

[quote]CroatianRage wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]CroatianRage wrote:

Sorry, I don’t think a lot of people understand how long it takes before the typical doctor is in the black after school.[/quote]

Yeah, and some in this thread don’t have a single clue as to how much work the typical doctor does to earn the salary they earn that goes to pay off school for the most part for the better part of a lifetime. [/quote]

Next time the 3AM ER doc is putting someone’s face back together after a DUI car wreck we can all insult their lack of awareness of vitamins and minerals.
[/quote]
Nutrition has to do with prevention and treatment of disease not acute injuries, which western medicine has done a good job with.[/quote]

Take a look around the country. You honestly think an extra 15 minutes of nutrition with a patient, espousing the merits of blueberries and chicken is going to make that much of a difference? By the time a patient sees a physician, the cat is oftentimes out of the bag, anyway. “Preventive medicine” starts during childhood – learning eating habits, exercising, not smoking/drinking. As we all know, it is a lifestyle. People “know” they should exercise but they don’t. It doesn’t take much education to see yourself balloon to 300lbs and put two and two together and realize you should change. You don’t need an MD to tell you that.

In my first two years of med school, I studied 70-90 hours/week both basic and clinical topics. We had a nutrition class. It wasn’t much, but I’d argue medical expertise is more important than knowing blueberries are helpful and bread is bad. This is also a skewed population here. I could spend 2 hours with a patient repeating over and over again, “bread is bad.” And you know what? ALL of them will still go home and eat bread. People’s habits are difficult to break. The average poster here could go without bread, but you are seriously overestimating how helpful nutritional expertise would be in MD’s training. Again, take a look around the country.

And, btw, with 200k in debt (public med school) and my first real paycheck coming in my late 20s (50-60k), after missing family events, barbecues, weddings and birthdays, yes I want to start earning money and having a good life when I am done with residency. Maybe once I pay off my med school mortgage, I’ll actually get a real mortgage. I knew I would sacrifice, but I have also earned my future salary.[/quote]

Don’t bother. I posted an entire novel on the the subject replete with sourced info and he didn’t so much as understand the basic argument present much less reply. Started with all the ideological projection nonsense again.

I am firmly in your camp. Very few people have any bloody idea what it means to work that much in school, save perhaps law schoolers, and those same people do not understand why doctors might actually deserve the salary. I mean, hey school’s over right? Oh wait, you still work 70+ hours a week. Right. But you’re supposed to keep up with the 21 hours a day of medical reading too, you know so you can be a GOOD PHYSICIAN.

/sarcasm.[/quote]
WTH are you talking about? I said that nutrition ought to be a centerpiece in med school. I think it is you who doesn’t understand. Your argument that there are nutritionists in the hospital does nothing to refute my basic argument. The fact that doctors spend
a lot of time in med school does nothing to refute the fact that nutrition is the best defense against the prevention and treatment of disease and ought to be a centerpiece. What you have offered is a defense of the status quo. Good grief.

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[quote]CroatianRage wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:

[quote]CroatianRage wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:

…Stop the immoral wars and healthcare and schooling could probably be paid for. We would have a healthier,more educated and safer public.
[/quote]

Even if the so called immoral wars ceased where in the world would the federal government find the authority in the constitution to fund healthcare and schooling?

By the way, please cite a “moral” war since I’m inferring you have distinctions in that regard.[/quote]

Not sure I can find a moral war so what is your point? Same place they find the ability to commence war without a congressional say so. But in this respect we have a more healthy population. Also make a paradigm shift in what constitutes health in med school. Nutrition should be a primary concern in regards to the prevention of and treatment of disease.
[/quote]

What exactly about nutrition should be taught? On this site alone there are hundreds of diets and everyone thinks theirs is the best. Did you doctor run a food panel on you to suggest you stop eating gluten or what it a blind guess?
[/quote]
Nutrition ought to be taught as it is a primary reason for the prevention of and treatment of disease. Do you think they should all learn about pharmaceuticals for the treatment of disease. I know there is plenty of good info on this website but people should not have to become detectives to find out about nutrition. Doctors should know much more than they do. Nutrition should be front and center, not the stupid pharmaceutical commercials.

My gluten allergy was discovered by a progressive doctor who told me some people that have my symptoms are allergic to gluten. And viola that was the main catalyst of my issues. And to think the other classically trained doctor wanted me to shoot up with pharmaceuticals everyday and didn’t have a clue about the symptoms of gluten allergies.

Fuck Western medicine and the pharmaceutical companies![/quote]

What do you do for a living?
[/quote]
What difference does it make?

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
Red herring. [/quote]

Whatever gets you outta a whuppin’.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
The government stepping in and “teaching” the population to be healthy is a HUGE part of the reason we are so fat and disease ridden in the first place.[/quote]

Well, no, not necessarily.

You seem to be under the impression that Americans got “so fat and disease ridden” from actually following what we were told. That isn’t true.

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[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:

[quote]CroatianRage wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:

[quote]CroatianRage wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:

…Stop the immoral wars and healthcare and schooling could probably be paid for. We would have a healthier,more educated and safer public.
[/quote]

Even if the so called immoral wars ceased where in the world would the federal government find the authority in the constitution to fund healthcare and schooling?

By the way, please cite a “moral” war since I’m inferring you have distinctions in that regard.[/quote]

Not sure I can find a moral war so what is your point? Same place they find the ability to commence war without a congressional say so. But in this respect we have a more healthy population. Also make a paradigm shift in what constitutes health in med school. Nutrition should be a primary concern in regards to the prevention of and treatment of disease.
[/quote]

What exactly about nutrition should be taught? On this site alone there are hundreds of diets and everyone thinks theirs is the best. Did you doctor run a food panel on you to suggest you stop eating gluten or what it a blind guess?
[/quote]
Nutrition ought to be taught as it is a primary reason for the prevention of and treatment of disease. Do you think they should all learn about pharmaceuticals for the treatment of disease. I know there is plenty of good info on this website but people should not have to become detectives to find out about nutrition. Doctors should know much more than they do. Nutrition should be front and center, not the stupid pharmaceutical commercials.

My gluten allergy was discovered by a progressive doctor who told me some people that have my symptoms are allergic to gluten. And viola that was the main catalyst of my issues. And to think the other classically trained doctor wanted me to shoot up with pharmaceuticals everyday and didn’t have a clue about the symptoms of gluten allergies.

Fuck Western medicine and the pharmaceutical companies![/quote]

What do you do for a living?
[/quote]
What difference does it make?[/quote]

I for some reason knew you wouldn’t answer. I am just trying to gauge the person who is so arrogant that he would suggest certain people make too much money. If you think doctors are wrong in how they practice then become a doctor and change it. You’ve never addressed that many patients aren’t compliant with treatment advice.

You also openly insult a system that is responsible for many people’s children being alive today; a paradigm that can cut cancer out of someone’s brain. Western medicine may not be perfect but as I said before, you have plenty of non medical health intervention options available to you.

Edit: I just realized you’re a bit of a crybaby.

“I know there is plenty of good info on this website but people should not have to become detectives to find out about nutrition.”

God forbid someone take an active role in their own healthcare. Good grief.

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[quote]CroatianRage wrote:
God forbid someone take an active role in their own healthcare. Good grief.[/quote]

Government should send out a PSA to your ObamaPhone to let you know what you should eat for the day.

I can guess what his job is…barrista or works at a farmers market part time. He probably is working on his Ph.D. in history…or maybe nutrition…no, History of Nutrition in Eastern Religions…though we all know that Orientals eat tons of glutton.

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:

…Stop the immoral wars and healthcare and schooling could probably be paid for. We would have a healthier,more educated and safer public.
[/quote]

Even if the so called immoral wars ceased where in the world would the federal government find the authority in the constitution to fund healthcare and schooling?

By the way, please cite a “moral” war since I’m inferring you have distinctions in that regard.[/quote]

Not sure I can find a moral war so what is your point? Same place they find the ability to commence war without a congressional say so. But in this respect we have a more healthy population. Also make a paradigm shift in what constitutes health in med school. Nutrition should be a primary concern in regards to the prevention of and treatment of disease.
[/quote]

Oh, I see, you like to play dodgeball. OK.[/quote]

Does this guy realize that there is an entire field of doctors who tell people how to eat? They don’t cost very much…they mostly just repeat what the government says anyway, balanced diet, low fat, no red meat, a lot of “whole” grains, in general bad advice.

And, he wants the government to educate doctors in nutrition? That’s great.[/quote]
The point is that nutrition ought to be a cornerstone of health education and since doctors are supposed to be around to help you get better, it only makes sense that they have a working knowledge and application of nutrition. for the prevention and treatment of disease.

Having a bunch of so-called professionals spit out the food pyramid doesn’t cut it.

Functional Medicine is more like a model to follow. Lucky for me I did some detective work and found a few in my area. This stopped me from taking the advice of a classically trained doctor and to shoot up with pharmaceuticals everyday. I cut out gluten and my situation improved dramatically. No pharmaceuticals just natural supplements. Nutritional based therapy without the nasty side effects of the garbage pharmaceuticals. On a side note this doctor was not covered by my insurance so I had to pay everything out of pocket.

And who said anything about the government educating doctors? The thing the government needs to focus on is getting the ridiculous high-cast of education down.

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[quote]CroatianRage wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:

[quote]CroatianRage wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:

[quote]CroatianRage wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:

…Stop the immoral wars and healthcare and schooling could probably be paid for. We would have a healthier,more educated and safer public.
[/quote]

Even if the so called immoral wars ceased where in the world would the federal government find the authority in the constitution to fund healthcare and schooling?

By the way, please cite a “moral” war since I’m inferring you have distinctions in that regard.[/quote]

Not sure I can find a moral war so what is your point? Same place they find the ability to commence war without a congressional say so. But in this respect we have a more healthy population. Also make a paradigm shift in what constitutes health in med school. Nutrition should be a primary concern in regards to the prevention of and treatment of disease.
[/quote]

What exactly about nutrition should be taught? On this site alone there are hundreds of diets and everyone thinks theirs is the best. Did you doctor run a food panel on you to suggest you stop eating gluten or what it a blind guess?
[/quote]
Nutrition ought to be taught as it is a primary reason for the prevention of and treatment of disease. Do you think they should all learn about pharmaceuticals for the treatment of disease. I know there is plenty of good info on this website but people should not have to become detectives to find out about nutrition. Doctors should know much more than they do. Nutrition should be front and center, not the stupid pharmaceutical commercials.

My gluten allergy was discovered by a progressive doctor who told me some people that have my symptoms are allergic to gluten. And viola that was the main catalyst of my issues. And to think the other classically trained doctor wanted me to shoot up with pharmaceuticals everyday and didn’t have a clue about the symptoms of gluten allergies.

Fuck Western medicine and the pharmaceutical companies![/quote]

What do you do for a living?
[/quote]
What difference does it make?[/quote]

I for some reason knew you wouldn’t answer. I am just trying to gauge the person who is so arrogant that he would suggest certain people make too much money. If you think doctors are wrong in how they practice then become a doctor and change it. You’ve never addressed that many patients aren’t compliant with treatment advice.

You also openly insult a system that is responsible for many people’s children being alive today; a paradigm that can cut cancer out of someone’s brain. Western medicine may not be perfect but as I said before, you have plenty of non medical health intervention options available to you.

Edit: I just realized you’re a bit of a crybaby.

“I know there is plenty of good info on this website but people should not have to become detectives to find out about nutrition.”

God forbid someone take an active role in their own healthcare. Good grief.[/quote]
You can sit there and defend a status quo system if you like. I choose not to. I have said plenty of times the cost of higher education is ridiculous and it shouldn’t be that way. Think of all the commercials you see daily from pharmaceuticals. This should be reversed. Models like Functional Medicine should be the norm. This should be front and center and promoted so people don’t have to do detective work. Professional should know this as it ought to be part of their education and job.

Western medicine is governed mostly by the profit model not making people healthy. If you want to defend a “healthcare” system where health is not the primary concern please continue to do so. It is your choice.

You may think I’m arrogant but you are blind and lazy.

If the healthcare in America is so great why do we spend twice s much as every other country but rank 37th in the world? Not to mention that medical bills are the number 1 cause of BK. What other country forces their inhabitants to file for BK because their medical bills are so high?

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[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:

…Stop the immoral wars and healthcare and schooling could probably be paid for. We would have a healthier,more educated and safer public.
[/quote]

Even if the so called immoral wars ceased where in the world would the federal government find the authority in the constitution to fund healthcare and schooling?

By the way, please cite a “moral” war since I’m inferring you have distinctions in that regard.[/quote]

Not sure I can find a moral war so what is your point? Same place they find the ability to commence war without a congressional say so. But in this respect we have a more healthy population. Also make a paradigm shift in what constitutes health in med school. Nutrition should be a primary concern in regards to the prevention of and treatment of disease.
[/quote]

Oh, I see, you like to play dodgeball. OK.[/quote]

Does this guy realize that there is an entire field of doctors who tell people how to eat? They don’t cost very much…they mostly just repeat what the government says anyway, balanced diet, low fat, no red meat, a lot of “whole” grains, in general bad advice.

And, he wants the government to educate doctors in nutrition? That’s great.[/quote]
The point is that nutrition ought to be a cornerstone of health education and since doctors are supposed to be around to help you get better, it only makes sense that they have a working knowledge and application of nutrition. for the prevention and treatment of disease.

Having a bunch of so-called professionals spit out the food pyramid doesn’t cut it.

Functional Medicine is more like a model to follow. Lucky for me I did some detective work and found a few in my area. This stopped me from taking the advice of a classically trained doctor and to shoot up with pharmaceuticals everyday. I cut out gluten and my situation improved dramatically. No pharmaceuticals just natural supplements. Nutritional based therapy without the nasty side effects of the garbage pharmaceuticals. On a side note this doctor was not covered by my insurance so I had to pay everything out of pocket.

And who said anything about the government educating doctors? The thing the government needs to focus on is getting the ridiculous high-cast of education down.[/quote]

Then we need to stop subsidizing education, causes over consumption of education and that leads to increased cost of education.

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:

…Stop the immoral wars and healthcare and schooling could probably be paid for. We would have a healthier,more educated and safer public.
[/quote]

Even if the so called immoral wars ceased where in the world would the federal government find the authority in the constitution to fund healthcare and schooling?

By the way, please cite a “moral” war since I’m inferring you have distinctions in that regard.[/quote]

Not sure I can find a moral war so what is your point? Same place they find the ability to commence war without a congressional say so. But in this respect we have a more healthy population. Also make a paradigm shift in what constitutes health in med school. Nutrition should be a primary concern in regards to the prevention of and treatment of disease.
[/quote]

Oh, I see, you like to play dodgeball. OK.[/quote]

Does this guy realize that there is an entire field of doctors who tell people how to eat? They don’t cost very much…they mostly just repeat what the government says anyway, balanced diet, low fat, no red meat, a lot of “whole” grains, in general bad advice.

And, he wants the government to educate doctors in nutrition? That’s great.[/quote]
The point is that nutrition ought to be a cornerstone of health education and since doctors are supposed to be around to help you get better, it only makes sense that they have a working knowledge and application of nutrition. for the prevention and treatment of disease.

Having a bunch of so-called professionals spit out the food pyramid doesn’t cut it.

Functional Medicine is more like a model to follow. Lucky for me I did some detective work and found a few in my area. This stopped me from taking the advice of a classically trained doctor and to shoot up with pharmaceuticals everyday. I cut out gluten and my situation improved dramatically. No pharmaceuticals just natural supplements. Nutritional based therapy without the nasty side effects of the garbage pharmaceuticals. On a side note this doctor was not covered by my insurance so I had to pay everything out of pocket.

And who said anything about the government educating doctors? The thing the government needs to focus on is getting the ridiculous high-cast of education down.[/quote]

Then we need to stop subsidizing education, causes over consumption of education and that leads to increased cost of education.[/quote]

Why can’t we use the German form of educating, where education to students is free or costs very little? Germany’s students improve at twice the rate as Americans in terms of acedemics.

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[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:

[quote]CroatianRage wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:

[quote]CroatianRage wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:

[quote]CroatianRage wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:

…Stop the immoral wars and healthcare and schooling could probably be paid for. We would have a healthier,more educated and safer public.
[/quote]

Even if the so called immoral wars ceased where in the world would the federal government find the authority in the constitution to fund healthcare and schooling?

By the way, please cite a “moral” war since I’m inferring you have distinctions in that regard.[/quote]

Not sure I can find a moral war so what is your point? Same place they find the ability to commence war without a congressional say so. But in this respect we have a more healthy population. Also make a paradigm shift in what constitutes health in med school. Nutrition should be a primary concern in regards to the prevention of and treatment of disease.
[/quote]

What exactly about nutrition should be taught? On this site alone there are hundreds of diets and everyone thinks theirs is the best. Did you doctor run a food panel on you to suggest you stop eating gluten or what it a blind guess?
[/quote]
Nutrition ought to be taught as it is a primary reason for the prevention of and treatment of disease. Do you think they should all learn about pharmaceuticals for the treatment of disease. I know there is plenty of good info on this website but people should not have to become detectives to find out about nutrition. Doctors should know much more than they do. Nutrition should be front and center, not the stupid pharmaceutical commercials.

My gluten allergy was discovered by a progressive doctor who told me some people that have my symptoms are allergic to gluten. And viola that was the main catalyst of my issues. And to think the other classically trained doctor wanted me to shoot up with pharmaceuticals everyday and didn’t have a clue about the symptoms of gluten allergies.

Fuck Western medicine and the pharmaceutical companies![/quote]

What do you do for a living?
[/quote]
What difference does it make?[/quote]

I for some reason knew you wouldn’t answer. I am just trying to gauge the person who is so arrogant that he would suggest certain people make too much money. If you think doctors are wrong in how they practice then become a doctor and change it. You’ve never addressed that many patients aren’t compliant with treatment advice.

You also openly insult a system that is responsible for many people’s children being alive today; a paradigm that can cut cancer out of someone’s brain. Western medicine may not be perfect but as I said before, you have plenty of non medical health intervention options available to you.

Edit: I just realized you’re a bit of a crybaby.

“I know there is plenty of good info on this website but people should not have to become detectives to find out about nutrition.”

God forbid someone take an active role in their own healthcare. Good grief.[/quote]
You can sit there and defend a status quo system if you like. I choose not to. I have said plenty of times the cost of higher education is ridiculous and it shouldn’t be that way. Think of all the commercials you see daily from pharmaceuticals. This should be reversed. Models like Functional Medicine should be the norm. This should be front and center and promoted so people don’t have to do detective work. Professional should know this as it ought to be part of their education and job.

Western medicine is governed mostly by the profit model not making people healthy. If you want to defend a “healthcare” system where health is not the primary concern please continue to do so. It is your choice.

You may think I’m arrogant but you are blind and lazy.

If the healthcare in America is so great why do we spend twice s much as every other country but rank 37th in the world? Not to mention that medical bills are the number 1 cause of BK. What other country forces their inhabitants to file for BK because their medical bills are so high?
[/quote]

It’s funny that you call me blind and lazy but I’m the one actually doing something about changing the healthcare paradigm. You may not have read earlier, but I’m going to be a chiropractor in 19 days. Among other things, during my patient interactions I will be giving dietary and nutritional advice to patients as well as providing them with high quality nutritional supplements. What you keep ignoring is many of these patients will ignore my advice or choose not to purchase the material. Furthermore, sometimes “functional nutrition” simply doesn’t work. Most of the nutritional advice I will be giving was found on my own, not through school.

You are the worst kind of person; one who brings up problems but offers no solutions. You stubbornly stick to your idea that western medicine is evil and refuse to account for the fact that people are ultimately responsible for their own health.

What is it you do again?

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[quote]CroatianRage wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:

[quote]CroatianRage wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:

[quote]CroatianRage wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:

[quote]CroatianRage wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:

…Stop the immoral wars and healthcare and schooling could probably be paid for. We would have a healthier,more educated and safer public.
[/quote]

Even if the so called immoral wars ceased where in the world would the federal government find the authority in the constitution to fund healthcare and schooling?

By the way, please cite a “moral” war since I’m inferring you have distinctions in that regard.[/quote]

Not sure I can find a moral war so what is your point? Same place they find the ability to commence war without a congressional say so. But in this respect we have a more healthy population. Also make a paradigm shift in what constitutes health in med school. Nutrition should be a primary concern in regards to the prevention of and treatment of disease.
[/quote]

What exactly about nutrition should be taught? On this site alone there are hundreds of diets and everyone thinks theirs is the best. Did you doctor run a food panel on you to suggest you stop eating gluten or what it a blind guess?
[/quote]
Nutrition ought to be taught as it is a primary reason for the prevention of and treatment of disease. Do you think they should all learn about pharmaceuticals for the treatment of disease. I know there is plenty of good info on this website but people should not have to become detectives to find out about nutrition. Doctors should know much more than they do. Nutrition should be front and center, not the stupid pharmaceutical commercials.

My gluten allergy was discovered by a progressive doctor who told me some people that have my symptoms are allergic to gluten. And viola that was the main catalyst of my issues. And to think the other classically trained doctor wanted me to shoot up with pharmaceuticals everyday and didn’t have a clue about the symptoms of gluten allergies.

Fuck Western medicine and the pharmaceutical companies![/quote]

What do you do for a living?
[/quote]
What difference does it make?[/quote]

I for some reason knew you wouldn’t answer. I am just trying to gauge the person who is so arrogant that he would suggest certain people make too much money. If you think doctors are wrong in how they practice then become a doctor and change it. You’ve never addressed that many patients aren’t compliant with treatment advice.

You also openly insult a system that is responsible for many people’s children being alive today; a paradigm that can cut cancer out of someone’s brain. Western medicine may not be perfect but as I said before, you have plenty of non medical health intervention options available to you.

Edit: I just realized you’re a bit of a crybaby.

“I know there is plenty of good info on this website but people should not have to become detectives to find out about nutrition.”

God forbid someone take an active role in their own healthcare. Good grief.[/quote]
You can sit there and defend a status quo system if you like. I choose not to. I have said plenty of times the cost of higher education is ridiculous and it shouldn’t be that way. Think of all the commercials you see daily from pharmaceuticals. This should be reversed. Models like Functional Medicine should be the norm. This should be front and center and promoted so people don’t have to do detective work. Professional should know this as it ought to be part of their education and job.

Western medicine is governed mostly by the profit model not making people healthy. If you want to defend a “healthcare” system where health is not the primary concern please continue to do so. It is your choice.

You may think I’m arrogant but you are blind and lazy.

If the healthcare in America is so great why do we spend twice s much as every other country but rank 37th in the world? Not to mention that medical bills are the number 1 cause of BK. What other country forces their inhabitants to file for BK because their medical bills are so high?
[/quote]

It’s funny that you call me blind and lazy but I’m the one actually doing something about changing the healthcare paradigm. You may not have read earlier, but I’m going to be a chiropractor in 19 days. Among other things, during my patient interactions I will be giving dietary and nutritional advice to patients as well as providing them with high quality nutritional supplements. What you keep ignoring is many of these patients will ignore my advice or choose not to purchase the material. Furthermore, sometimes “functional nutrition” simply doesn’t work. Most of the nutritional advice I will be giving was found on my own, not through school.

You are the worst kind of person; one who brings up problems but offers no solutions. You stubbornly stick to your idea that western medicine is evil and refuse to account for the fact that people are ultimately responsible for their own health.

What is it you do again?
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I have already offered a solution. You choose to ignore it. The paradigm needs to be changed. Instead of seeing pharmaceutical commercials all the time Nutrition needs to be front and center. But I guess since you can’t make obscene profits by the way of nutrition it won’t be pushed. However, that is what happens when you have a healthcare system that is based on profits instead of health.

Hope you don’t fall into the category of the typical modern day physician. Try looking into FunctionalMedicine.org for an in depth view into nutritional treatments.

I’m not a doctor of any kind nor do I think you need to be one to help change the system, do you?

I spread the gospel as often as I can.

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[quote]CroatianRage wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:

[quote]CroatianRage wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:

[quote]CroatianRage wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:

[quote]CroatianRage wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:

…Stop the immoral wars and healthcare and schooling could probably be paid for. We would have a healthier,more educated and safer public.
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Even if the so called immoral wars ceased where in the world would the federal government find the authority in the constitution to fund healthcare and schooling?

By the way, please cite a “moral” war since I’m inferring you have distinctions in that regard.[/quote]

Not sure I can find a moral war so what is your point? Same place they find the ability to commence war without a congressional say so. But in this respect we have a more healthy population. Also make a paradigm shift in what constitutes health in med school. Nutrition should be a primary concern in regards to the prevention of and treatment of disease.
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What exactly about nutrition should be taught? On this site alone there are hundreds of diets and everyone thinks theirs is the best. Did you doctor run a food panel on you to suggest you stop eating gluten or what it a blind guess?
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Nutrition ought to be taught as it is a primary reason for the prevention of and treatment of disease. Do you think they should all learn about pharmaceuticals for the treatment of disease. I know there is plenty of good info on this website but people should not have to become detectives to find out about nutrition. Doctors should know much more than they do. Nutrition should be front and center, not the stupid pharmaceutical commercials.

My gluten allergy was discovered by a progressive doctor who told me some people that have my symptoms are allergic to gluten. And viola that was the main catalyst of my issues. And to think the other classically trained doctor wanted me to shoot up with pharmaceuticals everyday and didn’t have a clue about the symptoms of gluten allergies.

Fuck Western medicine and the pharmaceutical companies![/quote]

What do you do for a living?
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What difference does it make?[/quote]

I for some reason knew you wouldn’t answer. I am just trying to gauge the person who is so arrogant that he would suggest certain people make too much money. If you think doctors are wrong in how they practice then become a doctor and change it. You’ve never addressed that many patients aren’t compliant with treatment advice.

You also openly insult a system that is responsible for many people’s children being alive today; a paradigm that can cut cancer out of someone’s brain. Western medicine may not be perfect but as I said before, you have plenty of non medical health intervention options available to you.

Edit: I just realized you’re a bit of a crybaby.

“I know there is plenty of good info on this website but people should not have to become detectives to find out about nutrition.”

God forbid someone take an active role in their own healthcare. Good grief.[/quote]
You can sit there and defend a status quo system if you like. I choose not to. I have said plenty of times the cost of higher education is ridiculous and it shouldn’t be that way. Think of all the commercials you see daily from pharmaceuticals. This should be reversed. Models like Functional Medicine should be the norm. This should be front and center and promoted so people don’t have to do detective work. Professional should know this as it ought to be part of their education and job.

Western medicine is governed mostly by the profit model not making people healthy. If you want to defend a “healthcare” system where health is not the primary concern please continue to do so. It is your choice.

You may think I’m arrogant but you are blind and lazy.

If the healthcare in America is so great why do we spend twice s much as every other country but rank 37th in the world? Not to mention that medical bills are the number 1 cause of BK. What other country forces their inhabitants to file for BK because their medical bills are so high?
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It’s funny that you call me blind and lazy but I’m the one actually doing something about changing the healthcare paradigm. You may not have read earlier, but I’m going to be a chiropractor in 19 days. Among other things, during my patient interactions I will be giving dietary and nutritional advice to patients as well as providing them with high quality nutritional supplements. What you keep ignoring is many of these patients will ignore my advice or choose not to purchase the material. Furthermore, sometimes “functional nutrition” simply doesn’t work. Most of the nutritional advice I will be giving was found on my own, not through school.

You are the worst kind of person; one who brings up problems but offers no solutions. You stubbornly stick to your idea that western medicine is evil and refuse to account for the fact that people are ultimately responsible for their own health.

What is it you do again?
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My point I’ve been trying to make all along. Most of your nutritional advice was found on your own, why do you think that is?

People go to doctors for help because they are supposed to be the experts. So tell me what is being drilled into the head of the average citizen on a daily basis, Nutrition or pharmaceuticals? And what do you think is the consequence of this?

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[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
Why can’t we use the German form of educating, where education to students is free or costs very little? Germany’s students improve at twice the rate as Americans in terms of acedemics.
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Source?

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
Why can’t we use the German form of educating, where education to students is free or costs very little? Germany’s students improve at twice the rate as Americans in terms of acedemics.
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Finland does not even have tuition.

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Economist Richard Wolff’s explanation of Detroit’s BK.

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Economist Richard Wolff’s explanation of Detroit’s BK.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/jul/23/detroit-decline-distinctively-capitalist-failure[/quote]
"What kind of a society gives a relatively tiny number of people the position and power to make corporate decisions impacting millions in and around Detroit while it excludes those millions from participating in those decisions?

When those capitalists’ decisions condemn Detroit to 40 years of disastrous decline, what kind of society relieves those capitalists of any responsibility to help rebuild that city?"

So he is advocating that all the people in the city get to decide on what moves a company makes? No thank you. He advocates no real applicable solutions just blames capitalism and evil auto makers. Start your own car manufacturing business then Detroit. No one was stopping you.

The day we give over business decisions to the mass public just because they will be affected by the decisions that company makes… Really?