And what happens should a complication arise where the doctor has to intervene, who is now “supervising” the other patients ?[/quote]
That would be a good reason to go over emergency care in your office.
You walk over to the patient and deal with it…just like I would if I were working on another patient when a patient has a problem in another room.
[quote]
Will another physician be called in to “supervise” ? But that physician was already supervising other procedures.[/quote]
Why can’t he just stop what he is doing and walk to the patient having a problem?
Professor,
You are using colorful euphemisms to reframe the argument, and failing at it.
If Congress thought it was so great, why did they exempt themselves from such exemplary care ?
And what happens should a complication arise where the doctor has to intervene, who is now “supervising” the other patients ?[/quote]
That would be a good reason to go over emergency care in your office.
You walk over to the patient and deal with it…just like I would if I were working on another patient when a patient has a problem in another room.
I didn’t reframe the argument. I actually work in an environment like that and am just commenting on it.
You don’t…but think I know less about how it works.
And what happens should a complication arise where the doctor has to intervene, who is now “supervising” the other patients ?[/quote]
That would be a good reason to go over emergency care in your office.
You walk over to the patient and deal with it…just like I would if I were working on another patient when a patient has a problem in another room.
[quote]
Will another physician be called in to “supervise” ? But that physician was already supervising other procedures.[/quote]
Why can’t he just stop what he is doing and walk to the patient having a problem?
So it sounds safe to you having a doc trying supervise many procedures and constantly bouncing around trying to put out fires? Sounds like a worse cluster fuck that already happens. Why complicate things? Why create more inefficiencies? What benefits are there to out weigh these large problems with this plan?
so you believe taking things from people that do take care of themselves, at the threat of a gun or prison, is the best thing to do? The government has zero money. All of their money comes from tax payers. So the government forces people to pay more taxes to take care of people. The government is now the charity.[/quote]
This isn’t about whether we think it is ok to steal money from people. It is about realistically, what the fuck do you plan to do with all of those dead bodies if you stop?
I am past the rhetoric on this.
To do what many of you are suggesting would require people to die in large numbers. Charity is NOT going to pick up the slack to the tune of millions of people the entire country over. That is a waste of time to even consider.
I am already taxed high. No, I don’t like it.
No, I don’t support new iPhones for people on wellfare.
However, I am also about stopping the bullshit and being real about a situation.
If you are ok with people being killed off, then by all means…believe that charity will save them all.[/quote]
How do you know millions upon millions of people will die because of this? You are guessing.
I know that every one will die someday. It is inevitable. Just because you are “poor” in this country does not give you the right to everything paid for by someone else. That is what you are suggesting.
What is your suggestion if charity is not the answer?
So it sounds safe to you having a doc trying supervise many procedures and constantly bouncing around trying to put out fires? Sounds like a worse cluster fuck that already happens. Why complicate things? Why create more inefficiencies? What benefits are there to out weigh these large problems with this plan?[/quote]
Question…how does the idea of having several credentialed assistants around you who can do this sound like it makes it more inefficient?
What fires are you speaking of? The ones normally expected during a procedure like this?
The problem here is you don’t really have a clue what goes on in an abortion clinic as it is.
So it sounds safe to you having a doc trying supervise many procedures and constantly bouncing around trying to put out fires? Sounds like a worse cluster fuck that already happens. Why complicate things? Why create more inefficiencies? What benefits are there to out weigh these large problems with this plan?[/quote]
Question…how does the idea of having several credentialed assistants around you who can do this sound like it makes it more inefficient?
What fires are you speaking of? The ones normally expected during a procedure like this?
The problem here is you don’t really have a clue what goes on in an abortion clinic as it is.[/quote]
The fact that they are assistants, and not physicians themselves.
Tell me Professor, do you want a physician or an assistant operating on you ?
So it sounds safe to you having a doc trying supervise many procedures and constantly bouncing around trying to put out fires? Sounds like a worse cluster fuck that already happens. Why complicate things? Why create more inefficiencies? What benefits are there to out weigh these large problems with this plan?[/quote]
Question…how does the idea of having several credentialed assistants around you who can do this sound like it makes it more inefficient?
What fires are you speaking of? The ones normally expected during a procedure like this?
The problem here is you don’t really have a clue what goes on in an abortion clinic as it is.[/quote]
The fact that they are assistants, and not physicians themselves.
Tell me Professor, do you want a physician or an assistant operating on you ?[/quote]
This is an ABORTION CLINIC. Midwives used to do this. This isn’t heart surgery.
I don’t plan on having an abortion any time soon so I don’t have to worry about this.
If I was a woman who was sitting there looking at the doctor as he anesthetized me (SOMETHING HE WOULD HAVE TO DO) and his credentials added up, I would assume he knew what the hell he was doing and hired professionals.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
What makes you think this will stop at abortion ?
You really think this type of stuff is not going to happen with other procedures ?[/quote]
Not procedures that require years of surgical experience to perform. I think the issue is some of you didn’t know that assistants could be credentialed to do quite a bit as it is.
This is an abortion. This is not brain surgery…or a kidney transplant. It takes the use of a vacuum. No offense, but your cleaning lady could probably learn this technique.
This is an ABORTION CLINIC. Midwives used to do this. This isn’t heart surgery.
[/quote]
Especially since we’re only talking first trimester abortions. This used to be handled by going to an apothecary for a strong cup of pennyroyal, black cohosh and and angelica tea.
^ a b c d Grimes, D. A.; Benson, J.; Singh, S.; Romero, M.; Ganatra, B.; Okonofua, F. E.; Shah, I. H. (2006). “Unsafe abortion: The preventable pandemic” (PDF). The Lancet 368 (9550): 1908?1919. doi:10.1016/S0140-6736(06)69481-6. PMID 17126724.
Actually, re-reading the medical journals, I find that “getting fucked with a small Mongolian cock” does not, in fact, seem to be an effective means of inducing first-trimester abortions.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Actually, re-reading the medical journals, I find that “getting fucked with a small Mongolian cock” does not, in fact, seem to be an effective means of inducing first-trimester abortions.[/quote]
I wouldn’t know. I read a different kind of medical journal.[/quote]
No, I imagine it might not be covered in that one…
