Ya know…that bitch is just looking for some green, and I’m not talking about the stuff that grows under her rolls.
All that law suit will do is open it up for fat people to get special Social treatment for their “medical condition”.
Hey didn’t Califorina want to tax fat people for being a drain on socity with their health problems?
just saw the news this morning on FOX about how California got the fattest kids.
[quote]Orbitalboner wrote:
Rockscar wrote:
Blame it all on us Americans huh? Get a clue.
Lol, stop spreading your wimpy, overly-defensive attitude.[/quote]
Then stop spreading your overly-offensive remarks. LOL
[quote]Todd S. wrote:
I have to say the Mcdonalds coffee is way too hot. [/quote]
And they’ve actually cooled it down. If you actually read some information on the case, it turns out that McDonalds was keeping their coffee quite a bit hotter than the industry standard… hot enough to cause second and third degree burns almost instantly. And, if that weren’t bad enough… they didn’t put the top on properly, so it was rather hazardous. Now, I’m not a fan of frivolous law suits, but things aren’t usually as cut and dry as some would like you to believe.
Did anyone hear on CNN today that the woman in this case is now asking for dinero?? That’s out of control.
[quote]nephorm wrote:
Todd S. wrote:
I have to say the Mcdonalds coffee is way too hot.
And they’ve actually cooled it down. If you actually read some information on the case, it turns out that McDonalds was keeping their coffee quite a bit hotter than the industry standard… hot enough to cause second and third degree burns almost instantly. And, if that weren’t bad enough… they didn’t put the top on properly, so it was rather hazardous. Now, I’m not a fan of frivolous law suits, but things aren’t usually as cut and dry as some would like you to believe.[/quote]
Tangent alert
I really hate when place put the lid on so the mouth opening is right above the seem in the coffee cup so that when you take a sip, a few drops of coffee will leak out of the gap under the lid onto that point and onto your shirt. The times this happened to me I was driven to a near homicidal rage.
End of tangent
BTW, according to all the news reports I have seen, there is no lawsuit.
Let’s get back to our hating on fat people. Next time you’re in a movie theater, here’s a fun one. Repeatedly poke the nearby fattie with one of those oversized slurpie straws. When they finally ask what the hell you’re doing, inform them that you wanted more butter for your popcorn but you didn’t want to pay an extra 25c when you could get it fresh from the source.
[quote]KiloSprinter wrote:
man, I wish someone would stand up and put a stop to all this pussy ass bitching and whining we all hear about these days. “Mcdonalds made me fat!”,
“he told me I am fat!”, “your coffee burned me!”
a good Shut the f*** Up, would do IMO.[/quote]
I agree that our societies have become far too litigious, and nobody wants to accept their personal responsibilty, but in the McDonalds’ coffee case, that McDonalds had had several documented complaints about the temperature of their coffee, but they wouldn’t make it cooler because it would slow down the brewing time. When the lady who sued them spilled it on herself she did receive third degree burns, and the court decided that after all those complaints, McDonalds was neglegent by doing nothing.
I don’t personally back the decision - if the coffee is too hot go to Tim Hortons - but there was more to it than some dumbass dumping her coffee, getting pissed off and suing.
[quote]Rockscar wrote:
Orbitalboner wrote:
Rockscar wrote:
Blame it all on us Americans huh? Get a clue.
Lol, stop spreading your wimpy, overly-defensive attitude.
Then stop spreading your overly-offensive remarks. LOL[/quote]
There you go again, Rockscar! Maaaan…you do seem thin skinned…
[quote]Slaughter wrote:
the court decided that after all those complaints, McDonalds was neglegent by doing nothing.
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If I recall correctly, the matter was settled out of court for an undisclosed sum.
How did hate speech laws get brought into this quagmire? LMAO!
[quote]vroom wrote:
How did hate speech laws get brought into this quagmire? LMAO![/quote]
At about the point where Americans got blamed for Europe’s excessive liberalism.
[quote]deanosumo wrote:
And she has been misled by McDonalds for years, believing their menu was actually healthy. And TV and magazine advertising forces her to eat pizza and ice cream. ".[/quote]
There’s actually some legitimacy to this statement. We know now how the tobacco companies acted, check this out.
From Dr. Erik Steele, physician and hospital administrator in Maine:
In the debates over how to fight the obesity epidemic in America, the food industry is acting a lot like the tobacco industry did in the tobacco wars. The parallels between the two industries are striking. Both spend billions of dollars trying to get us to use more of their products and then deny any responsibility for any ill effects caused by the use or overuse of their products. Both have spent billions advertising directly to children, then denied responsibility for our children eating too much high fat and high sugar foods, or smoking. The two industries have said it is our job to be smart about what we put in our mouths, and then resisted efforts to get us the information we need to be smart.
Over 90% of the food out there is processed so it’s extremely difficult for the majority to eat truly healthy without preservatives and chemical additives. We know more than the average person because we are consistently looking for the truth, but the average Joe, doesn’t know any better and trusts big companies. I used to be so trusting of big business and big government only 5 years ago.
If people don’t know tobacco and twinkies are bad for them they are stupid.
It is too bad that these things kill so slowly that the morons have time to reproduce before they die.
[quote]
Todd S. wrote:
I have to say the Mcdonalds coffee is way too hot.
nephorm wrote:
And they’ve actually cooled it down. If you actually read some information on the case, it turns out that McDonalds was keeping their coffee quite a bit hotter than the industry standard… hot enough to cause second and third degree burns almost instantly. And, if that weren’t bad enough… they didn’t put the top on properly, so it was rather hazardous. Now, I’m not a fan of frivolous law suits, but things aren’t usually as cut and dry as some would like you to believe.[/quote]
Unrelated factual tangent alert!
Yeah, but McDonald’s served it that way because people wanted it that way – they had reams of market data on their coffee, and they knew they sold more when it was very hot. I know the term “industry standard” is very popular with lawyers, but when you think about it I don’t think there were any established guidelines for how hot coffee should be.
I still think this one was in defiance of common sense – paying people money for not being swift enough to keep hot coffee away from their genital areas does not strike me as good policy.
[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
I know the term “industry standard” is very popular with lawyers, but when you think about it I don’t think there were any established guidelines for how hot coffee should be.
[/quote]
I agree with you, except McDonalds had quite a few recorded complaints about the high temperature. If you can establish that McDonalds knew that their coffee was dangerously hot, and that they chose to keep it that way despite numerous complaints, then you’re looking at culpability.
Well, you can blame McDonalds for caving, then. While I don’t agree with suing them for a large sum (medical bills, yes), I do think that there is some reasonable standard of safety that we expect from our food and drink. Everyone should expect minor burns from hot food, but probably not third degree burns. That’s a bit unreasonable.
And also, do we really want to make the argument that companies should sell an unsafe product because the market demands it?
[quote]nephorm wrote:
BostonBarrister wrote:
I know the term “industry standard” is very popular with lawyers, but when you think about it I don’t think there were any established guidelines for how hot coffee should be.
I agree with you, except McDonalds had quite a few recorded complaints about the high temperature. If you can establish that McDonalds knew that their coffee was dangerously hot, and that they chose to keep it that way despite numerous complaints, then you’re looking at culpability.
I still think this one was in defiance of common sense – paying people money for not being swift enough to keep hot coffee away from their genital areas does not strike me as good policy.
Well, you can blame McDonalds for caving, then. While I don’t agree with suing them for a large sum (medical bills, yes), I do think that there is some reasonable standard of safety that we expect from our food and drink. Everyone should expect minor burns from hot food, but probably not third degree burns. That’s a bit unreasonable.
And also, do we really want to make the argument that companies should sell an unsafe product because the market demands it?[/quote]
I agree. More generally, though, I think there should be a cap on Pain and Suffering. But as far as the original topic goes, I think everyone can agree the woman’s suit is most likely groundless. While the McDonalds lawsuit arguably had some merit.
Did anyone see one of the top stories on AOL about a week ago with the picture of the Dove (soap) “models”? (They are “plus sized”). The headline read “Skinny is so Over”. It’s ok to be fat now folks. The media said so.
[quote]Devil0351Dog wrote:
Did anyone see one of the top stories on AOL about a week ago with the picture of the Dove (soap) “models”? (They are “plus sized”). The headline read “Skinny is so Over”. It’s ok to be fat now folks. The media said so.
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Yet another fad. Advertising is really a big joke. Most of the time, they have no idea how big a reaction they will get and the companies push their ads as long as people react. Ultimately, its the people who decide. Since fat will never be attractive, and defies mating and survival instincts, theres no way something as false as skinny is so over will last long.
A snipet from this article:
[i]It would be more accurate to say that the Dove women are amateur models while the women who regularly appear on the covers of magazines are handsomely paid professionals. Genetics have provided them with extra height and good bone structure and they have promised to do what they can to remain as thin as a reed. If a roaring metabolism does not accomplish that, they will take their nourishment in the form of a daily multivitamin, a bunless turkey burger and a double shot of espresso.
In some ways, these women are like professional athletes, paid to maintain a fighting weight and a breathtaking physique. Yet no one complains that championship marathoners, tennis stars and volleyball players, with their impossibly taut bodies, dominate the covers of sports magazines, posing a threat to the delicate psyche of weekend athletes everywhere.[/i]
Many people (OK, men) have stated they want to see hot, thin chicks on billboards instead of these Dove models, which they see every day in their workplaces, shops, and homes. It seems as if men are aware that these models are an elite, a small number of women that can look that way, and that the majority of women are not like that. Men also buy car magazines and drool over the latest Ferrari…and then drive home in their Chrysler Neon. Elite, and Real (meaning “everyday,” “obatainable,” “achievable,” “possible,” etc) are two different leagues, and I think most men understand that.
Now, what about women? I gave up trying to understand women years ago, so I would like to hear what you all have to say about this campaign (I’m talking to the T-Vixens here).
On a personal note, I would say that none of these women are fat. They may not look like athletes, they may not be “toned,” they may not be ripped, but they are nowhere near fat. In fact, if most women in the US looked like them, there would be no “fat crisis.”
There is also something that seems to be escaping the general public: The Dove ads are not about these women, they are a campaing to promote firming cream; cream to make jiggly thighs, tight. This presupposes that there are women out there that need their thighs tightened. After close inspection, I’d say those women are not the ones on the ads. Furthermore, if you carry more fat than the Dove girls, you’ll probably need exercise and diet, not creams, to tighten your thighs.
Good points! I visited the Dove website and it wasn’t what I had expected. It actually promotes the AVERAGE woman. Two of the six models actually look quite petite, not ripping with muscles, but all six are defintely your typical girl next door, could be any woman’s buddies, and nothing’s wrong with that. The website mentions the impact of young girls and super skinny media images of women. It looks to me like Dove is trying to promote social responsibility and a healthy attitude and acceptance of all body types as ok-- not everyone has to be Laura Flynn Boyle or Paris Hilton skinny. I think Dove is pretty right on, honestly.
And since you asked our opinion, my opinion is that Paris Hilton and Laura Flynn Boyle are so skinny that it’s repulsive, I can barely stand looking at their photos- sorry guys. I know Paris Hilton is very popular right now, but I find photos of her butt in a bikini to be very unattractive.
And to think that the media is inundating impressionable adolescent girls with those kind of super skinny ideals (much less the ideals of Paris-type of embarassing antics, girls gone wild behavior,etc.) what kind of guideance are we providing the younger generation through our media and societal messages?
What a weird dichotomy that Hollywood is having a Super Skinny phase, while the country’s rate of Obesity is sky high!!
Woman who I think have “hot” bodies? Prolly the healthy, athletic or voluptuous types…Venus and Serena Williams, the Fahrenheit model, J-Lo, Britney Spears, Salma Hayek, etc…
Link to Dove’s Real Women Campaign website: http://www.campaignforrealbeauty.com
[quote]Miserere wrote:
A snipet from this article:
[i]It would be more accurate to say that the Dove women are amateur models while the women who regularly appear on the covers of magazines are handsomely paid professionals. Genetics have provided them with extra height and good bone structure and they have promised to do what they can to remain as thin as a reed. If a roaring metabolism does not accomplish that, they will take their nourishment in the form of a daily multivitamin, a bunless turkey burger and a double shot of espresso.
In some ways, these women are like professional athletes, paid to maintain a fighting weight and a breathtaking physique. Yet no one complains that championship marathoners, tennis stars and volleyball players, with their impossibly taut bodies, dominate the covers of sports magazines, posing a threat to the delicate psyche of weekend athletes everywhere.[/i]
Many people (OK, men) have stated they want to see hot, thin chicks on billboards instead of these Dove models, which they see every day in their workplaces, shops, and homes. It seems as if men are aware that these models are an elite, a small number of women that can look that way, and that the majority of women are not like that. Men also buy car magazines and drool over the latest Ferrari…and then drive home in their Chrysler Neon. Elite, and Real (meaning “everyday,” “obatainable,” “achievable,” “possible,” etc) are two different leagues, and I think most men understand that.
Now, what about women? I gave up trying to understand women years ago, so I would like to hear what you all have to say about this campaign (I’m talking to the T-Vixens here).
On a personal note, I would say that none of these women are fat. They may not look like athletes, they may not be “toned,” they may not be ripped, but they are nowhere near fat. In fact, if most women in the US looked like them, there would be no “fat crisis.”
There is also something that seems to be escaping the general public: The Dove ads are not about these women, they are a campaing to promote firming cream; cream to make jiggly thighs, tight. This presupposes that there are women out there that need their thighs tightened. After close inspection, I’d say those women are not the ones on the ads. Furthermore, if you carry more fat than the Dove girls, you’ll probably need exercise and diet, not creams, to tighten your thighs.[/quote]