do you supplement CLA besides the amount thats in Flameout? i have decided to stop taking Flameout because i have found a more economical fish oil. i just dont know if i should supplement CLA because Flameout had a very minimal amount, only 350mg of it and i was only taking 4 caps per day.
i have read good and bad. the worst being that it lowers DHA content in the heart and liver.
what experience have you had with CLA? i was thinking about using the NOW CLA supplement which isnt too expensive at 3 caps per day.
I know that there are plenty of studies pointing to fish oils in general aiding in fat loss, but additionally, I believe that there is a lot of support for CLA specifically in terms of body comp. My brother had picked me up a huge bottle of store brand (GNC, Vitamin world, can’t remember which) CLA last Spring, so I would throw a couple down with my Mineral Support each night before bed.
I still stuck with my usual 2 caps of Flameout with each of my other meals, so I can’t say for sure if it made a hell of a difference. Of course my rational is more about joint health and body comp, so aside from the general “they’re good for you”, I may not be able to add much.
i dont eat any grass fed beef or omega 3 eggs. the amount in Flameout is very small that a serving of NOWs cla will give me 4-5x the amount in Flameout.
[quote]MAF14 wrote:
unless you’re eating grass fed beef, omega 3 eggs or the like regularly adding some more CLA probably wouldnt be a bad idea IMO[/quote]
Don’t supplement it. I do this ^ plus drink a quart of raw milk from pastured grass fed cows daily.
[quote]MODOK wrote:
Supplemental CLA is not the same as natural CLA. cis-9,trans-11 CLA isomer is the natural, metabolically active isomer. cis-10, trans-12 CLA is a CLA isomer which is pro-inflammatory, pro-oxidative, has been shown to form gall stones, and possibly leads to insulin resistance.
Every supplement that I am aware of has a racemic (50/50) mixture of the two isomers. Another example of reductionist nutrition at work. Its best to 1. eat raw milk cheese (readily widely available), raw milk butter (rare, but out there), or full raw milk products or 2. forget you’ve ever heard of CLA if you can’t find a pure cis9, trans 11 supplement.[/quote]
And how do you check that? I haven’t seen labels that go that specific into what isomer is being supplemented.
[quote]MODOK wrote:
Supplemental CLA is not the same as natural CLA. cis-9,trans-11 CLA isomer is the natural, metabolically active isomer. cis-10, trans-12 CLA is a CLA isomer which is pro-inflammatory, pro-oxidative, has been shown to form gall stones, and possibly leads to insulin resistance.
Every supplement that I am aware of has a racemic (50/50) mixture of the two isomers. Another example of reductionist nutrition at work. Its best to 1. eat raw milk cheese (readily widely available), raw milk butter (rare, but out there), or full raw milk products or 2. forget you’ve ever heard of CLA if you can’t find a pure cis9, trans 11 supplement.[/quote]
And how do you check that? I haven’t seen labels that go that specific into what isomer is being supplemented.[/quote]
Flameout I believe lists it.
But, you’re right ON for example doesn’t. Maybe contact the manufacturer?
[quote]MODOK wrote:
Supplemental CLA is not the same as natural CLA. cis-9,trans-11 CLA isomer is the natural, metabolically active isomer. cis-10, trans-12 CLA is a CLA isomer which is pro-inflammatory, pro-oxidative, has been shown to form gall stones, and possibly leads to insulin resistance.
Every supplement that I am aware of has a racemic (50/50) mixture of the two isomers. Another example of reductionist nutrition at work. Its best to 1. eat raw milk cheese (readily widely available), raw milk butter (rare, but out there), or full raw milk products or 2. forget you’ve ever heard of CLA if you can’t find a pure cis9, trans 11 supplement.[/quote]
And how do you check that? I haven’t seen labels that go that specific into what isomer is being supplemented.[/quote]
Flameout I believe lists it.
But, you’re right ON for example doesn’t. Maybe contact the manufacturer?[/quote]
And that’s a gamble, what if the Customer Service Rep that we contact doesn’t know shit about the product? But, aren’t companies supposed to declare specifically which substances they put on their products? Maybe there’s a database somewhere where we can check or call or something. IDK, just speaking off the top of my head… or hands or whatever
[quote]MODOK wrote:
Supplemental CLA is not the same as natural CLA. cis-9,trans-11 CLA isomer is the natural, metabolically active isomer. cis-10, trans-12 CLA is a CLA isomer which is pro-inflammatory, pro-oxidative, has been shown to form gall stones, and possibly leads to insulin resistance.
Every supplement that I am aware of has a racemic (50/50) mixture of the two isomers. Another example of reductionist nutrition at work. Its best to 1. eat raw milk cheese (readily widely available), raw milk butter (rare, but out there), or full raw milk products or 2. forget you’ve ever heard of CLA if you can’t find a pure cis9, trans 11 supplement.[/quote]
And how do you check that? I haven’t seen labels that go that specific into what isomer is being supplemented.[/quote]
Flameout I believe lists it.
But, you’re right ON for example doesn’t. Maybe contact the manufacturer?[/quote]
And that’s a gamble, what if the Customer Service Rep that we contact doesn’t know shit about the product? But, aren’t companies supposed to declare specifically which substances they put on their products? Maybe there’s a database somewhere where we can check or call or something. IDK, just speaking off the top of my head… or hands or whatever
There’s also plenty of CLA in beef hearts and liver, which are also quite lean and have high protein content. You’re also getting coQ10 and phosphatidylcholine. I just finished eating both actually.
