Do You Still Believe in the United States?

I don’t think that was on anyone’s radar in 1954.

Engender means “to cause or be the cause of” or “to give rise to” or even “to reproduce offspring.”

Coincidentally, the word was invented by Billy S. in MacBeth, in 1606.

Also, talk about freedom! We can still find that textbook for sale today.
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I don’t mind the idea of more multi-generation homes. I think they have plenty of pros for society.

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I would rather be homeless. And I have good parents.

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Sounds good.

Look at the price. What are textbooks today?

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Are you sure it’s in that text?

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1954… 2024. It’s relevant now

Our justice system and prison system is a complete mess, the thing that makes it look not as bad as some 3rd world country is lawyers and deals. If you ain’t got a lawyer you might as well be living in Rusha cause you won’t get out, even if you didn’t kill anyone.

The prisons are not structured to reform, it’s all about what deal you and your lawyer can make.

No one sees this because everyone is out free, living their life and the thought doesn’t cross mosts minds, but the system drives mental illness.

This is the problem I have, except my take is that deals can be made at all vs making prisons easier or into reformation camps.

Granted I think some crimes, especially victimless non-violent crimes, could see sentencing guidelines experience an overhaul. But I see prisons as institutions to remove offenders (worth removing) from society, not as schools.

Right, no deals should be made at all. That’s not what a prison is supposed to be.

The gang members run some prisons, to them it’s just another racket. Any prisoner can use their wealth inside, that ain’t they way to “sit and think about your crime”, that’s not learning from your mistake.

Of course there’s always a chance a non violent offender getting mixed in with murders will learn his lesson, but that’s a roll of the dice, he may, or he may learn to be a violent criminal, especially the young ones.

For all the money that the system makes lawyers and judges should be taxed extra to contribute to doing better, it only helps society. You know a big problem with Covid was many got out, so we now have a large population of unstable people. Along with that many non violent offenders doing 20 years or longer got out and they got lucky from covid, they were facing little hope if it wasn’t for Covid. These are people who spent time in and out of the state systems, then they got a dose of reality in the FED. Many of them are kissing the ground now.

What thought? Committing a felony?

Prisons and prison reform are not the problem; prisons exist to address a problem. Saying we need prison reforms and rehabilitation vs punishment is a tacit admission that crime is not only a problem, but a problem that we have to accept because there is nothing we can do to prevent it. We can only react to crime. This mindset also denies people agency as it tells us that for criminals, their criminality is inevitable or inherent.

When confronted with that, people will deny it and say it’s nurture, not nature, that makes one a criminal. And if we then believe the idea that criminality is a learned behavior then we are saying that crime can be prevented. Obviously, there will always be some crime but given the size of our prison population, and adding in those who are out on parole, there is a definite problem in America with regard to criminality.

Look at NYC under Giuliani; he didn’t accept crime as being an inevitable part of urban life. We can argue about the methods employed but we can’t argue about the results. And methods can always be tweaked and adjusted but, the goal has to remain the same. Now what have you had in NYC? The goal has changed and crime has gone up. What goal has changed? It was about reducing crime to protect citizens. Now the goal is protecting criminals to reduce crime. Which obviously makes no sense as you need someone to commit a crime to get that victimhood status.

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Your are not even allowed to defend your life in prison, if you even throw a punch to stop you getting shanked you get more time taxed on. What does that say about people?

No, not the thought of committing a felony, the thought that the system only is part of the problem.

BTW, there are people who haven’t committed any felony who are victims to this system and they will have no choice but to play the game if they want to see freedom again, if they don’t play that game, they are done.

Prison isn’t supposed to be a nice place, but they are sentenced to serve time and think about they have done, they are not supposed to be sentenced to go socialize and be a racketeer.

I don’t think that’s true.

I rest my case. You are to busy being free living your life to know any better!

Because, even in prison, people have freedom of choice and freedom of thought.

You might want to produce evidence, Perry Mason.

LOL put 90 percent of people in a cell for a month without any freedom or money or any honey buns (you need money for that) or a phone call, visit, nothing, just bread and water. No contact with thugs and rackets.

They won’t come back.

Instead we sentence people for stupid BS on multiple counts adding up to 50years so the lawyers can come in and get it down to 4years. All while the prisoner is busy figuring out the next move, not thinking about the crime.

I think the no freedom part was covered by the in a cell part.

And I’m sure one month in a cell is enough to rehab a rapist, a pedo or a serial killer.

Four years? I get it now. Shorter sentences, like one month, are a better deterrent than four years. It makes perfect sense.