Do You Meditate?

[quote]Roual wrote:
The other night I was watching The Last Samurai, and it reminded me of an article I read a while back by Mike Mahler where he recommends meditating for 20 minutes either after a workout or before going to sleep.

Ignoring my completely random thought process, I was wondering who on here meditates regulary, how they do it (I gather there are several different methods) and what benefits they get from it.[/quote]

I’ll bite.

Definition of meditation (yip, ripped it right off Wikipedia): “self regulation of attention, in the service of self-inquiry, in the here and now.”

I meditate every time I train. As a matter of fact, the focus on the hard parts of the workout are exactly what meditation ought to be – forcing you to concentrate on one thing. No, there is no religious gobbeldy-gook here since I am an atheist. There is nothing inherently religious about meditation, it is just one more way to make your mind work.

More background: I have done martial arts (jujutsu) for over 30 years so I’ve seen all sorts of systems and how they approach meditation. Aikido and various types of Kung fu for instance used to be billed as “meditation in motion”. There is no reason in the world pulling a PR can’t be done as part of a meditation and, matter of fact, I suspect that is a better way to meditate that what I’ve seen most religious/New Age types try to do. E.g., you have to be seriously “one with the bar” = “acutely aware of every nuance as it moves” to hit that heavy deadlift. This training requires very specific focus and intent (mushin and kime are the Japanese terms that go into this).

I’m not supposed to say this, but a lot of elite athletes have mushin, kime, aiki and all those other supposed secret martial arts things down better than the vast majority of martial artists do. For one thing, they are not hobbled by stupid explanations of the concepts (“How do I punch hard sensei?” “Oh, you just extend your ki!” Oh brother…)

As always, I might just be full of shit…

– jj

wth is meditating really?

i mean do you just sit there and think about stuff or what?

im actually serious

[quote]jj-dude wrote:
I’ll bite.

Definition of meditation (yip, ripped it right off Wikipedia): “self regulation of attention, in the service of self-inquiry, in the here and now.”

I meditate every time I train. As a matter of fact, the focus on the hard parts of the workout are exactly what meditation ought to be – forcing you to concentrate on one thing. No, there is no religious gobbeldy-gook here since I am an atheist. There is nothing inherently religious about meditation, it is just one more way to make your mind work.

More background: I have done martial arts (jujutsu) for over 30 years so I’ve seen all sorts of systems and how they approach meditation. Aikido and various types of Kung fu for instance used to be billed as “meditation in motion”. There is no reason in the world pulling a PR can’t be done as part of a meditation and, matter of fact, I suspect that is a better way to meditate that what I’ve seen most religious/New Age types try to do. E.g., you have to be seriously “one with the bar” = “acutely aware of every nuance as it moves” to hit that heavy deadlift. This training requires very specific focus and intent (mushin and kime are the Japanese terms that go into this).

I’m not supposed to say this, but a lot of elite athletes have mushin, kime, aiki and all those other supposed secret martial arts things down better than the vast majority of martial artists do. For one thing, they are not hobbled by stupid explanations of the concepts (“How do I punch hard sensei?” “Oh, you just extend your ki!” Oh brother…)

As always, I might just be full of shit…

– jj[/quote]

Not bad. Similar biography, plus stay in Japan living in a temple. Was always a bit too hyperactive for the long sitting, and it took some ageing to learn to not think. But what you said about lifting I can agree with - I’m never closer to a meditative state than during a set. Jiu Jitsu, while rewarding in itself, never did that for me. And that has nothing to do with the jitsu rather than the do aspect.

Makkun

PS: Now that I’m older, naps do it as well for me. :wink:

[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
wth is meditating really?

i mean do you just sit there and think about stuff or what?

im actually serious[/quote]

Depends on the underlying school of … hm … thought - but if you’re following any of the zen oriented schools, you’ll try not to think. And that can be harder than you’d think. :wink:

Makkun

[quote]polo77j wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:
polo77j wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:
This is pretty surprising, since I never considered you such a weirdo hippie.

Pretty much my only weirdo hippie tendency … thanks though since I never knew you thought about me …

Don’t lie, you know you’ve been in my thoughts ever since we had our conversation about mullets.

It was a bonding experience I’ll give you that…[/quote]

I love this place… Mainly because I just read your conversation in your avatar’s voices.

I’ve been doing Naam Japna meditation for some years now. It’s totally changed my life. It’s cured my depression and basically given me direction in my life.
The concentration benefits are enormous. I just wish I had been more into it during and before school.

[quote]polo77j wrote:
I started meditating a few months back … I have one of those minds that wanders for hours on end about one thing in particular exploring every angle … it gets out of hand.

Anyways, I had toyed with meditation before and it helped but I never really got into it until a few months ago. Since then my mind and thought process has been clearer and more concise. A lot of the things that had bothered me have since ceased.

It gives me a sense of control when it seems that there’s little I can control and reminds me that, if nothing else, I am in charge of my mind not the other way around. It’s better than weed and I’m not joking.

I have a great email from a fellow member who got me started on the right path. If you’d like to read what he wrote about how and what-not shoot me a pm.[/quote]

Could you please PM me the email? Thanks

I meditate while viewing the Ass Worship thread.

Oh, nevermind. That’s spelled differently.

[quote]makkun wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
wth is meditating really?

i mean do you just sit there and think about stuff or what?

im actually serious

Depends on the underlying school of … hm … thought - but if you’re following any of the zen oriented schools, you’ll try not to think. And that can be harder than you’d think. :wink:

Makkun[/quote]

woah! did i just meditate?

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
polo77j wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:
polo77j wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:
This is pretty surprising, since I never considered you such a weirdo hippie.

Pretty much my only weirdo hippie tendency … thanks though since I never knew you thought about me …

Don’t lie, you know you’ve been in my thoughts ever since we had our conversation about mullets.

It was a bonding experience I’ll give you that…

I love this place… Mainly because I just read your conversation in your avatar’s voices.[/quote]

this made me laugh … it’s funny I used to have Jack Burton as my avatar and whenever I’d go on a rant someone like five or six posts down would say that they pictured Jack Burton saying what I wrote … now apparently I have people doing that with Ramathorn from Super Troopers … thanks beans for the trip down memory lane

I would meditate, or my version of it, before football games. Not sure if it would qualify or meet the definition of meditation, but it worked wonders for me.

I used to meditate while riding my bike on the rails to trails. Long mostly flat stretches of wooded path were great for hitting a tempo and slowly separating my conscious mind from my body. Very relaxing.

Now I do more of a self examination-meditation-prayer type of thing. Realizing yourself can be a motherfucker.

It’s time well spent though.

[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
woah! did i just meditate?[/quote]

I wonder - are you perhaps in a constant meditative state, never having thought at all? :wink:

Makkun

[quote]makkun wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
woah! did i just meditate?

I wonder - are you perhaps in a constant meditative state, never having thought at all? :wink:

Makkun[/quote]

i think i am and i just swerve into reality from time to time. those times suck. i have Bizzaro-meditation.

[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
makkun wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
woah! did i just meditate?

I wonder - are you perhaps in a constant meditative state, never having thought at all? :wink:

Makkun

i think i am and i just swerve into reality from time to time. those times suck. i have genital herpes… [/quote]

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
I used to meditate while riding my bike on the rails to trails. Long mostly flat stretches of wooded path were great for hitting a tempo and slowly separating my conscious mind from my body. Very relaxing. [/quote]

I agree. The outdoors is great for active/walking meditation. I can be completely in the moment when snowboarding/skiing in the woods or mountain biking/trail running. You’re almost forced to, otherwise if you’re caught up in thoughts you hit a tree/root/stump and down you go.

[quote]makkun wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
wth is meditating really?

i mean do you just sit there and think about stuff or what?

im actually serious

Depends on the underlying school of … hm … thought - but if you’re following any of the zen oriented schools, you’ll try not to think. And that can be harder than you’d think. :wink:

Makkun[/quote]

Actually, I believe meditation is simply a tool. It’s not spiritual unless it’s used to achieve a spiritual goal. It can be used for enlightenment, relaxation, medical, sports, lovemaking, really anything you can think about and do, meditation is one tool that can help you achieve greater success. The basic premis behind it is having the ability to focus on one thing, a focused individual is more effective than a not focused individual, and focus can be trained. What Mak is talking about here is called the quit mind, and it is really a technique that in the beginning stages of your development, can be used to help you meditate. Similar to how someone looking for a big bench works on other things than benching, like triceps work, and deltoids work, and lockout work. So you see, your ability to push thoughts out of your mind in the beginning is helpful to staying focused on one specific thing.

Of course there is some advanced meditations where you have a clear mind for long periods of time, but in reality, you are only clearing your mind so that the next thought can be viewed and considered, eventually, you can get to some things that you need to meditate on, and you will know what those are when they come up, and you may even meditate on yourself, which is cool, creepy, and enlightening all at once.

For clarity sake, I would not consider being in the zone, as meditation. Meditation to me is practicing being in the zone, while being in the zone is the real deal. So while pumping out a PR and being extremely focused and connected to the bar feels awsome, your goal is moving the weight. Training your mind to be able to move the weight, would be meditation. Like say for instance you are on your lunch break, you know when you get home you are going to go for your PR in the deadlift. So on your lunch break, you start daydreaming about your hands gripping the bar, you tug the bar a little and compress your feet into the floor. You take several deep breaths, you look up, sit back a little and pull some more so there is good tension in all of your body. You breath a few more focused breaths and then every muscle in your body fires in exactly the way they are supposed to, 70% from your lower back to keep your plane stable, 95% from your quads and halmstrings, driving the bar through the first foot of it’s path, hands gripping the bar with just enough force to keep it from slipping, then towards the top, you back really fires hard as you approach lockout.

This type of visualization before doing the task, I would consider a meditation, Toger woods does this before basically every golf shot, actually most good golfers do, and probably most pro anythings do this.

so there is some more about meditation according to V

V

Hey Polo77j,

Can you PM me that email? I tried PMming you but for some reason it didn’t go through, (and really has never gone through for anybody).

So maybe you could post it publicly or PM me as well. Thanks brotha. Tryin to get my ZEN on.

[quote]polo77j wrote:
Vicomte wrote:
polo77j wrote:
I started meditating a few months back … I have one of those minds that wanders for hours on end about one thing in particular exploring every angle … it gets out of hand.

Anyways, I had toyed with meditation before and it helped but I never really got into it until a few months ago. Since then my mind and thought process has been clearer and more concise. A lot of the things that had bothered me have since ceased.

It gives me a sense of control when it seems that there’s little I can control and reminds me that, if nothing else, I am in charge of my mind not the other way around. It’s better than weed and I’m not joking.

I have a great email from a fellow member who got me started on the right path. If you’d like to read what he wrote about how and what-not shoot me a pm.

I shot PM.

I shot back[/quote]

ok, it would be nice if you just put the link on here so the rest of us can check it out. =)
thanks.

i try use meditation to justify not sleeping enough… i got a sample CD from of those mobs that will send you a new CD every month for $100 ea etc, but its just some dude telling me how good it is, not actually letting me experience it & see for myself

[quote]makkun wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
wth is meditating really?

i mean do you just sit there and think about stuff or what?

im actually serious

Depends on the underlying school of … hm … thought - but if you’re following any of the zen oriented schools, you’ll try not to think. And that can be harder than you’d think. :wink:

Makkun[/quote]

That’s part of what made me create this thread in the first place. There’s a line in The Last Samurai where Tom Cruise’s character is trying to train with the Samurai, and he’s getting his arse handed to him every time. One of the other characters runs over to him and says something like “excuse me, but too much mind. Mind watchers, mind opponent, mind self. Too much mind”.

When I used to train mixed martial arts, I had a roll with one of the best guys in the club. When we took to our knees, just before we started, I took a deep breath, let it all out and moved. Next thing I know, I’m in full mount position and he’s got this shocked look on his face. I have no idea how I got there, he isn’t sure either, I just moved forward, swept him easier than I should have been able to, and gained the position.

For me, this represents the ultimate goal of any activity, to be able to enter into a zen like state, where you just act without thinking.

From what I understand, meditation can help you gain the ability to focus on whatever you’re doing.

I know there seems to be a contradiction between focusing on not thinking, but I don’t think there is. I think it’s just being in the moment so fully, you act without thinking and yet with total focus on what you’re doing.