[quote]brucevangeorge wrote:
And just so yall know what a BAD attitude I got:
"So you mean eat healthy natural foods? And a balanced diet containing things like fruit, nuts fish oil, and complex carbs?
This is a breakthrough!!!
Someone PM Berardi. Quick."
-Me. In relation to the Biblical Nutrition diet.
This is what Dipshit, I mean Edders was referring to.
WOW. I’m such a jackass.[/quote]
You should be fired.
[quote]MrChill wrote:
Nice video.
Synchronicity. The Law of Attraction. The Grand Experiment. Manifestation of Intention.
Sounds all cool. Nicely packaged. Nice marketing job.
Here’s the real question: Let’s suppose I have correctly formulated my desire for wealth according to The Secret … if my wish of wealth is inevitable in the end, then why should I CHARGE people 4.95$ to be a part of ‘The Process’? If what I have to offer is so good, wouldn’t people gladly donate money to me once they find out how true and wonderful this discovery is?[/quote]
The reason you do that is because you don’t really give a shit. 99% of the people won’t use it. (Here’s a little experiment: Go to curves or any other uber commercialized gym and try to give the people there the advice you KNOW woks for training and such. How many do you think will actually listen and apply?)
Plus if you charge $4.95 for each copy… you made money. Right? You attained the goal (of $$Cash$$) and you used the Law of Attraction to make bags of $$$.
See?
It DOES work.
[quote]T-Bone2 wrote:
If you have 90 minutes (or more) and want to save yourself $4.95, go to a public library and start at shelf 158.
…
The only secret is that there is no secret?[/quote]
It’s really just recylced religious psychology (power of prayer) with an added emphasis on money (“Money is magnetic energy!”) to appeal to those that tend to get hooked by get rich quick infomercials.
I’ve read that Esther Hicks is in the movie and that the movie is partly based on her channeled book “Ask and It Is Given”. Was she channeling “Abraham”, the collective name for the spirit entities she channels, in the movie?
In What the Bleep Do We Know?, they didn’t identify anyone or list their credentials until the very end of the movie. Smart move. You had to be really paying attention to catch that it was really Ramtha, Spirit Warrior™ as channeled by JZ Knight that was doing all the enlightening.
I’m more than happy to be counted as a skeptic. Enjoy watching the flickering shadows on the wall of the cave.
[quote]brucevangeorge wrote:
Edders wrote:
Maybe you better clean up your own act before trying to attack others you clueless twit.
It was sarcasm to a retarted post. I wasn’t berating anyone by saying: You shouldn’t look at T-Nation at Work. I hope you GET FIRED and other stupid shit like that.[/quote]
Oh I get it, sarcasm is okay. But if someone disagree with your point of view then their just wrong and worthy of ridicule.
I’m sitting here hoping that you’re not over 16 years old. But, I have that sick feeling that you’re a full fledged adult with a very low IQ. Live a while, pay some taxes get married have kids…You know grow up.
When you grow up someday and move out of your Mommy and Daddy’s basement you just might get the idea. Until then
you will remain the biggest asshole on the net.
[quote]brucevangeorge wrote:
I’m such a jackass.[/quote]
Finally, something that we can agree on.
[b]Okay, one page is a long enough off-topic hijack. You’re done. If you guys want to continue bickering and picking at each other, take it to a new thread.
This thread can get back on topic, now. Thanks.[/b]
I seen it a few months ago and it is a decent movie. Right from the beginning they state the ideas are not new and in fact have been taught for ages.
The movie is another re-packaging of the same info to reach a new audience. Think and Grow Rich is a very good book that provided these ideas to another generation.
From personal experience I can vouch that these idea do work. Like another poster said, what you think of intently causes your desire to take action. However, it does go beyond this. At least in my experience coincidental events seem to occur to support the intent.
I don’t expect those that are skeptical of this to agree. I just wanted to state another opinion.
Edited for content. Ragging on Edders again.
[quote]
From personal experience I can vouch that these idea do work. Like another poster said, what you think of intently causes your desire to take action. However, it does go beyond this. At least in my experience coincidental events seem to occur to support the intent.
I don’t expect those that are skeptical of this to agree. I just wanted to state another opinion.[/quote]
I have seen that it does work also. Both in the negative and the positive.
Sometimes its kind of freaky.
Just recently I was thinking of an old friend that I haven’t seen in awhile and BAM!! Couple of days later, she appears on campus. Just randomly out of the blue.
I didn’t even physically do anything. Just thought and it appeared. But that’s a rare case. Things like that happen once or twice a year for me.
Usually this law of attraction works best for me when I’m studying here on campus. I think of the mark I want to achieve, I focus on that, I focus on what I’m going to do to get it… and then slowly acting it out. Its alot stronger than simply writing it down on a piece of paper.
I simply imagine in as much detail as possible. What things look like, sound like, feel like, and the positive emotions I experience after accomplishing it. Its like a movie preview that leaves you on the edge of your seat. You’ll do ANYTHING to go and see it.
Then I go out and act the plan. It hasn’t done anything magical for me like others have said… but it DOES WORK. And its DAMN POWERFUL if you really believe that it will happen.
Which is what I’m working on applying now. It does work.
What you focus on you will get more of. If you think everyone hates you and people are assholes… your subconscious adjusts your behavior so you become an asshole and people hate you. (see the Edders trolling posts).
But if you do a 180 and you think that you are witty and charismatic… you will eventually become that way. An people treat you as such and you get MORE of it. (see anything by TC)
That’s my take on it.
[quote]HoratioSandoval wrote:
I don’t think it has anything to do with “attracting” anything. I think it’s just called networking. If you talk to enough people about your goals, you’ll eventually run into people who have the same goals, and you can then develop a relationship. Success comes from taking advantage of whatever oppurtunities or resources come your way.
You say that your roommate is “just the person you need.” Sure, that may be what you think, and that’s great if you guys help each other out and take advantage of all you can offer each other, but I bet the chances are that you met a guy that wants to be a SEAL are actually pretty high.
I don’t think there’s anything magic about it. I’d argue that you could have met any number of people that would be more helpful to you. Like a Navy Admiral visiting his smoking hot daughter has a heart attack outside of your dorm room and you save his life with some CPR. You marry the daughter, and the Admiral pushes some paperwork through once you’re in the Navy. More realistically, you could have met a former SEAL going to your college.
Hell, there could be SEAL living next door to you and you don’t know it. If you all you ever talk to the guy about is beer, that might be all the guy ever talks to you about. If you talk to him about SEALs, and he thinks you’re serious and have a chance to actually go for it, he may decide to show you a swimming workout. If you buy him some lunch, he might break out a mask and fins and show you more.
Don’t forget your roomie - introduce them or show him what you’ve learned. Again - networking and taking advantage of whatever you can. [/quote]
Everything you said is completely true. But whatever you wish to call it, it could be said that the energy emmitted through thought brought the right circumstances to me. Perhaps I never would have started networking if I had not used the power of intent to attract opportunities for networking. I’m certain I will continue to meet people who will open even more opportunities for me.
[quote]Dedicated wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Dedicated wrote:
For some reason I don’t see the SEAL’s in either you or your friends future. However, I could be wrong. Maybe you could be crimefighter superheros like that one duo however.
D
These guys?
That be them. Living the dream together while munching on pizza while watching the Disney channel doesn’t invoke images of hell week. Maybe he was joking.
D[/quote]
Yes, and this is why I normally don’t mention my goal around here. Too much flaming. I just thought it would be a useful argument from anecdote to support the thesis that the Law of Attraction holds true.
[quote]HardcoreHorn wrote:
Dedicated wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Dedicated wrote:
For some reason I don’t see the SEAL’s in either you or your friends future. However, I could be wrong. Maybe you could be crimefighter superheros like that one duo however.
D
These guys?
That be them. Living the dream together while munching on pizza while watching the Disney channel doesn’t invoke images of hell week. Maybe he was joking.
D
Yes, and this is why I normally don’t mention my goal around here. Too much flaming. I just thought it would be a useful argument from anecdote to support the thesis that the Law of Attraction holds true.[/quote]
You gave a corny example… but yeah I think that it applies. And if you keep at it you Will become a seal. Just gotta do what it takes now.
[quote]brucevangeorge wrote:
The reason you do that is because you don’t really give a shit. 99% of the people won’t use it. (Here’s a little experiment: Go to curves or any other uber commercialized gym and try to give the people there the advice you KNOW woks for training and such. How many do you think will actually listen and apply?)
Plus if you charge $4.95 for each copy… you made money. Right? You attained the goal (of $$Cash$$) and you used the Law of Attraction to make bags of $$$.
See?
It DOES work.[/quote]
Yup. You could even add that the higher the price, the more people tend to value something. And the marketers will probably add in some ‘limited offer’, to increase sales (and price) eventually even more… Ah! Marketing! 
Anyway, the donation example can only go so far, too. What network is going to give airtime/bandwith to a concept on a % of donations basis? Too risky, eh?
I have to agree with Dweez on this, although he did come across a bit harsh. But I think he was harsh because he is a smart guy and does not need this type of “thought mechanism” to make change.
What needs to be understood with this film/idea is there are 2 possibilities:
or
Item #1 cannot be scientifically proven.
Item #2 can be scientifically proven.
The important thing is that the belief in item #1 causes many people to act/succeed in a way they other wise would not. some people believe they will fail, so don’t try, and certainly dont try hard, but if they believe there is a higher power, then they apply themselves.
Some people, like Dweez, realizes this (or seems to from what I’ve read here) and knows he does not need a faulty belief to, shall we say, “get things done.”
This type of thought tool is much like chanting, meditating, and also reminds me of the Zen Buddhist (I think I spelled/named it right), as well as Wiccan religions. Another example is Thinking Rich or whatever that book was some of you named.
There really is nothing wrong with these thought provokers. Some people can benefit from them, some don’t need them for the same thought power. Some people are just too stupid to even understand how to believe it will happen and “accept it when it comes,” so will get nothing from the movie.
To illustrate my point, I quote HardcoreHorn:
[quote]HardcoreHorn wrote:
One day a person decides he wants to stop being so skinny and build a muscular frame. By focusing intently on this goal, and believing that he will succeed, he will attract through universal forces certain “things” to succeed. These “things” may be the motivation to start going to the gym, a sudden idea to check the internet for information on building muscle, which will lead him here, or he may even attract certain people who he will interact with and possibly have oppurtunities open up to him through his interactions with this person." [/quote]
In this example, everything the person achieved was due to his actions:“[quote] motivation to start going to the gym.[/quote]” Albeit, his actions were driven by his belief there was a higher power at work; nonetheless, they were his actions which led to the success. It is irrelevant that he “worked harder” because he believed there was higher power at work. What is relevant is that HE worked harder.
He didn’t learn through osmosis, he didn’t wake up with muscle. He did it himself and he could have done it without that belief in higher power if he just realized he needed to try hard, apply himself in every way he can, constantly contemplate how he can achieve this goal, think, and act.
Simply believing it will happen will not do it for you. It is simply not scientifically possible. Like the movie said, you have to be willing to “accept it when it comes.” This means it is you doing it, not a higher power.
Second example to further illustrate my point (skip it if you get the idea):
If I want to win the lottery, and I believe I will win the lottery because of this higher power, but I do not play the lottery …Well, I will most likely never win the lottery. Unless I find a winning ticket, and what are the odds in that?
However, if I believe I will win the lottery and I “accept it when it comes,” well, then in theory I will go out of my way to play the lottery, download lottery analysis programs, get in on lottery pools, read books on winning the lottery, search the internet for ideas on how to win, and maybe even mug people buying lottery tickets. Regardless of whether or not I ever win, I just greatly increased my chances of winning by thinking, applying my thought, and acting on it.
Again, no mystical powers at work, just me thinking and acting which improves my odds, and that my friends is scientifically proveable.
In closing, with all the books being mentioned, I thought I would throw one out there that is a little different from those already discussed/mentioned. It examines “Zen state of mind” vs. the “Scientific Method”. The name is “Zen and The Art of Motorcycle Maintenance.” Anyone famaliar with that one?
[quote]Petedacook wrote:
I have to agree with Dweez on this, although he did come across a bit harsh. But I think he was harsh because he is a smart guy and does not need this type of “thought mechanism” to make change.
What needs to be understood with this film/idea is there are 2 possibilities:
or
Item #1 cannot be scientifically proven.
Item #2 can be scientifically proven.
The important thing is that the belief in item #1 causes many people to act/succeed in a way they other wise would not. some people believe they will fail, so don’t try, and certainly dont try hard, but if they believe there is a higher power, then they apply themselves.
Some people, like Dweez, realizes this (or seems to from what I’ve read here) and knows he does not need a faulty belief to, shall we say, “get things done.”
This type of thought tool is much like chanting, meditating, and also reminds me of the Zen Buddhist (I think I spelled/named it right), as well as Wiccan religions. Another example is Thinking Rich or whatever that book was some of you named.
There really is nothing wrong with these thought provokers. Some people can benefit from them, some don’t need them for the same thought power. Some people are just too stupid to even understand how to believe it will happen and “accept it when it comes,” so will get nothing from the movie.
To illustrate my point, I quote HardcoreHorn:
HardcoreHorn wrote:
One day a person decides he wants to stop being so skinny and build a muscular frame. By focusing intently on this goal, and believing that he will succeed, he will attract through universal forces certain “things” to succeed. These “things” may be the motivation to start going to the gym, a sudden idea to check the internet for information on building muscle, which will lead him here, or he may even attract certain people who he will interact with and possibly have oppurtunities open up to him through his interactions with this person."
In this example, everything the person achieved was due to his actions:" motivation to start going to the gym." Albeit, his actions were driven by his belief there was a higher power at work; nonetheless, they were his actions which led to the success. It is irrelevant that he “worked harder” because he believed there was higher power at work. What is relevant is that HE worked harder.
He didn’t learn through osmosis, he didn’t wake up with muscle. He did it himself and he could have done it without that belief in higher power if he just realized he needed to try hard, apply himself in every way he can, constantly contemplate how he can achieve this goal, think, and act.
Simply believing it will happen will not do it for you. It is simply not scientifically possible. Like the movie said, you have to be willing to “accept it when it comes.” This means it is you doing it, not a higher power.
Second example to further illustrate my point (skip it if you get the idea):
If I want to win the lottery, and I believe I will win the lottery because of this higher power, but I do not play the lottery …Well, I will most likely never win the lottery. Unless I find a winning ticket, and what are the odds in that?
However, if I believe I will win the lottery and I “accept it when it comes,” well, then in theory I will go out of my way to play the lottery, download lottery analysis programs, get in on lottery pools, read books on winning the lottery, search the internet for ideas on how to win, and maybe even mug people buying lottery tickets. Regardless of whether or not I ever win, I just greatly increased my chances of winning by thinking, applying my thought, and acting on it.
Again, no mystical powers at work, just me thinking and acting which improves my odds, and that my friends is scientifically proveable.
In closing, with all the books being mentioned, I thought I would throw one out there that is a little different from those already discussed/mentioned. It examines “Zen state of mind” vs. the “Scientific Method”. The name is “Zen and The Art of Motorcycle Maintenance.” Anyone famaliar with that one?
[/quote]
Best post on the entire thread.
Period.
This is what I should have prefaced my whole post with.
I enjoyed Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance, although it was a bit of a dry read. Phaedrus has some very interesting ideas on classical vs romantic thinking.
Thanks for contributing, man.
-Nate
That video is very true, but I never thought it was a secret.
The only secret of the Universe is that there is no secret.
[quote]Petedacook wrote:
I have to agree with Dweez on this, although he did come across a bit harsh. But I think he was harsh because he is a smart guy and does not need this type of “thought mechanism” to make change. [/quote]
The entire video, much like Think and Grow Rich, is based on the intention manifestation method.
If what these people said on Larry King Live is true, and judging by the trailer, they’ve just made it stupider (now how they did that is the real secret).
I remember an article on askmen.com or some other horrible site for metrosexuals (it might have been a GQ article, it is a mystery!) that was linked to here on T-Nation many months ago. It was a social experiment conducted by a real scientist, working for a real university, and it was essentially someone receiving money on the street and walking into a coffee shop. Same people inside the coffee shop, told to do the same things, two people, one with a negative outlook on life, one with a positive were the protagonists.
The person that struck up conversation with a few people ended up talking to a businessman, and with the money he picked up off the street he bought him a coffee. The person with the negative outlook bought a coffee for herself. The positive person had now had a business contact and people who would remember him as ‘good’, the negative person was forgettable. Common sense. I fail to see why they need to do studies on this, but apparently fewer people are aware of commonly accepted knowledge of social interaction than I thought.
The researcher essentially phrased this as ‘luck’, and talking about how you can push-pull as far as luck is concerned. The actors in the experiment liked the nice guy who was talking to people. They didn’t have any thoughts about the negative woman. He didn’t overdramatize it as these intention manifestation people do, but luck is still vague and is still a stupid way to explain it. It’s basic networking, it’s being amiable in real life. People like people who are happy. It’s not thinking it and achieving it. You don’t have telekinesis. It’s a basic mindtrick. It’s the placebo effect. Read The Science of Happiness or The Happiness Hypothesis (a little disjointed) if the topic interests you, I don’t really want to delve into the science of all this. Suffice to say when you’re not a douchebag you’re better off (though that’s never stopped me :O).
Is it the power of positive thinking? No, it’s not. That is giving some catchphrase too much credit. It’s the power of the obvious. If you network, it is easier to be successful, in whatever you do. Any connection you make is a connection you did not have before. Stagnation is death, it’s better to be moving backwards than not moving at all, etc.
These videos and these books and these fucking people bother the hell out of me because this is completely natural and understood by people who are already charismatic, and these are the very tenets of social interaction that have been studied ad nauseam and are being put forth as some kind of magical ability that the rich and powerful don’t want you to know about. Taking logical, easy to understand principles that I recognize some people may not be able to apply naturally, and turning it into videos and weekend seminars where people are locked in a room crying with spiritual advisors and making it all mysterious is fucking disgusting. It is a complete distortion of basic shit you’d be able to gleam from taking a single course in any soft science, and I find it completely intolerable.
Whenever things like this are posted I respond harshly because this is a tactic used by people who are completely without shame. We all hate fitness magazines that make up shit to try and be fresh and relevant while just rehashing the same old information and distorting facts. We all hate fad diets because they preach these miniscule differences from each other instead of talking about the basic principles of healthy nutrition, and they only serve to confuse people. There is no difference between this, and between that.
The Purpose Driven Life, Think and Grow Rich, EST, “intention manifestation model”, anything about wealth you’ve ever seen on Oprah. It’s all the same. You know what the most practiced habit of highly effective people is? Getting away from this stupid shit and doing work.
To add to what dweez has been saying, and I guess about this law of attraction, I would like to share a story that was important and life-changing to me.
Putting yourself out there is the only way to make progress, but it can also lead to setbacks. If you can think for yourself and get some experience you’ll have a sense of self-preservation, you’ll recognize a good opportunity. If you can’t think for yourself, you have no means to discriminate between what is good/bad for you and you’re going to be vulnerable to predators.
For example, you could be putting yourself out there, looking for a way to get what you want, and a man looking to make himself rich at your expense could come along and convince you that he has magic beans that will fulfill your every wish. And since he’s already used the beans himself and has everything he wants, he’ll trade the wonderous beans for your nearly worthless old cow.
You think, ‘Gee, I won’t need my cow after the beans start to work because when they do I’ll have all the cows in Texas!’ So you’ll trade your cow for the beans and by the time you cultivate them, and finally figure out that you were taken for a fool, the man, the cow and your pride are gone.
But at least this experience can teach the lesson that a wise person approaches new things with open skiptical mind.
A wise person also would learn this before preschool… And I’m not preaching, I’m more of a wise-ass than anything. But since I can’t unbrainwash my sister, I’m trying ya’ll.
Just watched The Secret. Good movie. I like to read, listen and watch things like this to get me back on track towards my goals.
If you want to use it to get angry and frustrated, then good luck to you.
I’m pretty sure that whole movie was available for free on Google video very recently (so its probably still out somewhere–maybe I’m wrong). I saw a little of it there based on a recommendation. But, like What the Bleep, its so damned cheesy and full of goofy f/x, bad acting, and overly positive speakers, its hard to take seriously. They have some good messages, but terribly goofy deliveries.
I’m still bitter about “what the bleep do we know.” People are confused enough about science without making them think they know something that isn’t true.
“It’s not what you don’t know that hurts you, it’s what you do know that ain’t so.”