'God's Not Dead' Movie

This thread is not an apologetic for the existence of God, nor is it an attempt to promote this movie. I won’t even be participating much. Maybe not at all if it doesn’t go anywhere. My goal is to have particularly atheists give their honest, straightforward reaction to this film if you’ve seen it. Not Christianity in general. If you haven’t seen it and can (it’s not real widely distributed) please do. This isn’t my site anyway and everybody’s welcome, but I’m really looking for those hostile to theism and Christianity in particular. I saw it last night, but I won’t give my view just yet.

Maybe I’ll pull this thread back out when it’s released on DVD.

I think the only people seeing the film are ones who devoutly believe in God already though.

I have no desire to see it, nor do I care to see or read anything which raises questions, or doubts.
Faith is faith and I don’t need a movie or a book to go to as back-up. The Bible is God’s word. It’s all there if you believe.

Well I’m an atheist who will probably pass on this one. Largely because from what I’ve read it sounds stupid as and predictable. It has nothing to do with my actual atheism. Just reading the bottom (this comes from apparently a Christian freshman) makes me want to vomit. It sounds cliche as hell. From what I’ve read via blogs/reviews it seems as if we largely have the following:

Make the atheists look horrifically intolerant (check)
Pretend no one is a Christian anymore early on despite the massive amount of Christians in this country (check)
Make it seems as if atheists won’t leave Christians alone (check)

SPOILER ALERT I GUESS:

[quote]In the end, it turns out Professor Hercules isn’t even an atheist; he just hates God for killing his mom. Then everyone goes to a Newsboys concert that takes up so much of the finale that I wondered whether the whole endeavor was just a con to get me to listen to Newsboys music. The band witnesses to the liberal blogger, who converts right before they go onstage. Professor Hercules sees the light and promptly gets hit by a car. But it’s okay, because he converts with his dying breath, which we’re meant to believe is a happy ending. The car was driven by Evil CEO Dean Cain.

Of course, no one in the concert’s audience knows about these horrific events. The band, in ignorant bliss, proceeds to sing about how God’s not dead (no, really) while praising Josh’s actions, though it’s unclear how they heard about the Dead God Challenge.

Then Willie Robertson shows up in an onscreen projection to tell everyone to text their friends, “GOD’S NOT DEAD.” The audience is urged to do the same. (21st-century witnessing, or clever marketing ploy?) Then the movie ends.[/quote]

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
This thread is not an apologetic for the existence of God, nor is it an attempt to promote this movie. I won’t even be participating much. Maybe not at all if it doesn’t go anywhere. My goal is to have particularly atheists give their honest, straightforward reaction to this film if you’ve seen it. Not Christianity in general. If you haven’t seen it and can (it’s not real widely distributed) please do. This isn’t my site anyway and everybody’s welcome, but I’m really looking for those hostile to theism and Christianity in particular. I saw it last night, but I won’t give my view just yet.

Maybe I’ll pull this thread back out when it’s released on DVD.[/quote]

*** The movie was nice in that it exposed a dark and dirty secret. Those that defend the Christian God and Creation over Evolution and billions of years have facts and evidence on their side. Atheists and Evolutionists can’t argue their case. Every time they are debated side by side the Christian and the Creationist wins.

Also movie apparently pretends that despite 77% of the nation identifying as Christian everyone is currently an atheist and it most be oh so difficult to be one of the few believers left in this world.

Also apparently (again going off the reviews) it’s atheists who are really pushing their beliefs on believers and believers have never attempted anything like that. They are just trying to do God’s will and mind their own business.

Honestly it sounds (again based just off what I’ve read) as if it hits every note for the audience that will probably watch it, but does a really poor job of trying to be a good movie for anyone who isn’t waiting to lap up its message.

I would be curious to see what you thought of it T. Maybe you disagree with the reviews/blogs (insert liberal hollywood atheist lines here)?

I loved it. But hey, I actually watched it.

[quote]JEATON wrote:
I loved it. But hey, I actually watched it. [/quote]

Well while I can certainly understand the implied criticism of your there, and even agree with it, in the end there are only 3 kinds of people who will watch a movie:

  1. people who super duper want to see the movie in the first place because it is a subject/story they are very into

  2. people who read reviews and decide that something sounds pretty decent and/or thought provoking

  3. people who are taken/dragged by friends, significant others, or family.

For 2 the only way they have to really filter their options is reviews and word of mouth. If at least a few reviews aren’t kind they aren’t going to watch it (like H factor) and I can’t say I really blame them. After all how else do you decide what sounds interesting? I certainly don’t just roll dice to decide what movies I will see.

I have a feeling #3 is really the people Trib wants to get opinions from (well, #2 as well but it is not very likely a large percentage of atheists will he in this group), and this audience demographic is not that large. #1 are almost all likely believers and already part of the “subculture” if you will–they’re already interested.

I have a very specific reason for starting this thread. I’d prefer not to say anything until there are as many unbelievers as possible that have given their view. I’ll add though that this is no profound trap or anything. I’m simply asking. I saw it last night with my church. 350 of us rented a theater. I may be bringing some of them here on a field trip. A bunch of atheists who actually saw it, which is probably unrealistic, but I must try, would really help me out. The more the merrier and don’t hold back.

Jeaton. Check your email please.

I might stream it online if thats possible just to give my two cents.

[quote]Aragorn wrote:

[quote]JEATON wrote:
I loved it. But hey, I actually watched it. [/quote]

Well while I can certainly understand the implied criticism of your there, and even agree with it, in the end there are only 3 kinds of people who will watch a movie:

  1. people who super duper want to see the movie in the first place because it is a subject/story they are very into

  2. people who read reviews and decide that something sounds pretty decent and/or thought provoking

  3. people who are taken/dragged by friends, significant others, or family.

For 2 the only way they have to really filter their options is reviews and word of mouth. If at least a few reviews aren’t kind they aren’t going to watch it (like H factor) and I can’t say I really blame them. After all how else do you decide what sounds interesting? I certainly don’t just roll dice to decide what movies I will see.

I have a feeling #3 is really the people Trib wants to get opinions from (well, #2 as well but it is not very likely a large percentage of atheists will he in this group), and this audience demographic is not that large. #1 are almost all likely believers and already part of the “subculture” if you will–they’re already interested. [/quote]

  1. people who want to see it to laugh their asses off. That’s me. The trailer had me going by itself. The premise is ridiculous. Liberal atheist philosophy professor forces students to sign an affirmation that “God is dead” to gain credit for the course. A complete straw man and an example of anti-academia at its finest.

As for the origins of the term -

God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. Yet his shadow still looms. How shall we comfort ourselves, the murderers of all murderers? What was holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet owned has bled to death under our knives: who will wipe this blood off us? What water is there for us to clean ourselves? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we have to invent? Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us? Must we ourselves not become gods simply to appear worthy of it?

Friedrich Nietzsche, Die froeliche Wissenschaft (The Gay Science), Section 125.

[quote]Krinks wrote:

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
This thread is not an apologetic for the existence of God, nor is it an attempt to promote this movie. I won’t even be participating much. Maybe not at all if it doesn’t go anywhere. My goal is to have particularly atheists give their honest, straightforward reaction to this film if you’ve seen it. Not Christianity in general. If you haven’t seen it and can (it’s not real widely distributed) please do. This isn’t my site anyway and everybody’s welcome, but I’m really looking for those hostile to theism and Christianity in particular. I saw it last night, but I won’t give my view just yet.

Maybe I’ll pull this thread back out when it’s released on DVD.[/quote]

*** The movie was nice in that it exposed a dark and dirty secret. Those that defend the Christian God and Creation over Evolution and billions of years have facts and evidence on their side. Atheists and Evolutionists can’t argue their case. Every time they are debated side by side the Christian and the Creationist wins.
[/quote]

How do Creationists dispel the physical evidence of human species other than homo sapien, of which there are numerous concrete examples? Fwiw, I believe that a higher power set evolution in motion as the instrument of creation of biological life.

With all due respect and recognizing that I cannot not demand it, I’d appreciate it if we could stick to the topic of this particular movie please?

[quote]Aragorn wrote:

[quote]JEATON wrote:
I loved it. But hey, I actually watched it. [/quote]

Well while I can certainly understand the implied criticism of your there, and even agree with it, in the end there are only 3 kinds of people who will watch a movie:

  1. people who super duper want to see the movie in the first place because it is a subject/story they are very into

  2. people who read reviews and decide that something sounds pretty decent and/or thought provoking

  3. people who are taken/dragged by friends, significant others, or family.

For 2 the only way they have to really filter their options is reviews and word of mouth. If at least a few reviews aren’t kind they aren’t going to watch it (like H factor) and I can’t say I really blame them. After all how else do you decide what sounds interesting? I certainly don’t just roll dice to decide what movies I will see.

I have a feeling #3 is really the people Trib wants to get opinions from (well, #2 as well but it is not very likely a large percentage of atheists will he in this group), and this audience demographic is not that large. #1 are almost all likely believers and already part of the “subculture” if you will–they’re already interested. [/quote]

I’m not against seeing it because of the topic by any means, but the way it goes about “tackling” the topic seems stupid and cliched. Yes I’m basing this off what other people who have watched it say, but I haven’t seen anyone who’s seen it in here defend those viewpoints even from believers. And yes some believers are the very ones rolling their eyes at how the movie tackles the subject matter.

It seems like it was filmed specifically to hit the notes that some believers really want it to hit. Everyone is against “us.” Colleges are trying to “kill” God. (Every professor is a god hating liberal). Evil atheists (could their be any other kind!) either get what’s coming to them or “find” God when the chips are down (easy to not believe until something bad happens!)

In the end the theater of people who already believed jump up and down, clap and cheer because the movie got it exactly right. It was designed to hit all the notes of the things many of them desperately want to be true.

I’m sure people think I don’t want to see it simply because I’m agnostic, but honestly I don’t want to see it because it sounds awful based on what I’ve read.

For those who have seen it (again spoiler alerts) what do you think of this criticism from creation.com? The two “criticisms” I’ve posted have come from believers. It seems as if a lot of believers think it’s a poor movie. At the same time is it merely feeding its target audience? Is this what some believers “want” to think about atheists, Muslims, professors, etc.? Just giving the crowd what the crowd already thinks?

[quote]There are countless sub-plots, and each takes every available chance to unfortunately stereotype, almost to the point of offensiveness, every people group represented.

First: the atheists are portrayed as being one-dimensional and evil. The journalist character is career-driven and rude; ambushing her Christian interview subjects (Duck Dynasty?s Willie Robertson and his wife Korie in one encounter, and the band Newsboys, in another) to ask them offensive questions. For example, she asks, “Why aren’t you barefoot and pregnant” in the first interview.

A businessman is portrayed as the most self-centered and callous person imaginable. He does not visit his mother because she is suffering from dementia, and he breaks up with his girlfriend when she reveals she is suffering from a fatal cancer, accusing her of “changing our agreement” breaking our deal."

But the journalist and the businessman are nothing compared to Professor Radisson, who is possibly the most self-centered narcissist you would ever meet. He is a tyrant in the classroom and in his personal life. He mocks and threatens his students, and publically humiliates his girlfriend. His militant atheism and hatred of God is driven by the death of his Christian mother from cancer, and perhaps the only moment when he seems like a plausible human being is when he is reading a loving letter from his mother, written shortly before her death.

The strict Muslim family is stereotypically portrayed as well, but with critical errors. First, the daughter is required to wear a scarf covering the lower half of her face, but inexplicably is allowed to wear a low-cut, short-sleeved shirt. And she is shown listening to music on an iPod, but strict Muslims also believe that music is ungodly, and they do not allow it. The father, when he finds out his daughter is no longer a Muslim, beats her and physically throws her out of the house and onto the streets weeping.

A Chinese student’s father shows no interest in his son?s life, and when he starts talking about God, his father?s angry reply is to be careful because “someone” might be listening, and it could jeopardize his brothers chances of studying at a foreign university.

These character portrayals of atheists and other religions will generally be found to be unbelievable by viewers, whether Christian or not. And worse still, for a professing Christian movie to portray them so unreasonably is very uncharitable. Weaker brethren may even find these portrayals believable and if so, it will do nothing to engender Christian love to those who are outside of Christ. We (Christians) do not like to be caricatured in this way, and certainly believers should apply the admonition to “do unto others.” [/quote]

[quote]H factor wrote:

honestly I don’t want to see it because it sounds awful based on what I’ve read. [/quote]

That’s what I was trying to get at in my post (response to Jeaton) lol. I don’t blame people for not wanting to see something that they are reading about that sounds awful haha–I certainly filter this way.

[quote]Aragorn wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

honestly I don’t want to see it because it sounds awful based on what I’ve read. [/quote]

That’s what I was trying to get at in my post (response to Jeaton) lol. I don’t blame people for not wanting to see something that they are reading about that sounds awful haha–I certainly filter this way.[/quote]

When believers are calling a movie about God predictable, cliche, and stereotypical it doesn’t want me as an agnostic to rush out and see if it fits that bill or not.

I’ll take the blogs/reviews words for it being poor.

And that’s leaving out the laughable notion of how much Christians outnumber every other faith and non faith category in this country.

Seems that 86% of those who actually watched it enjoyed it and recommend it. Yes, there is built in bias, but where is there not.

I just find it laughable that H factor is putting so much time, attention, and effort in trashing something that he claims to have no interest in.

Thou doth protest too much!

[quote]JEATON wrote:
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/gods_not_dead/

Seems that 86% of those who actually watched it enjoyed it and recommend it. Yes, there is built in bias, but where is there not.

I just find it laughable that H factor is putting so much time, attention, and effort in trashing something that he claims to have no interest in.

Thou doth protest too much![/quote]

I have no interest in seeing the film based on what I’ve read about it. Also I’ve spent maybe 8 minutes on this thread, largely posting other BELIEVERS thoughts on the movie.

Thoughts which so far you have ignored. Why are you ignoring the negative things that believers are saying about the movie?

Looking at some of those “reviews” from audiences who have seen it is hilarious though.

[quote]If Obama said we all need the mark to buy goods?
I’m fighting to the bitter end. its my freedom as an American to believe in the creator. Stand up and fight for your beliefs. The question is, would you simply sign that paper “God is dead” if your teacher told you to and get a passing grade?
Challenge everything[/quote]

I guess this helps back up my assertion that if you already believe the stuff the movie says is real then of course you’ll like it.

What about creation.com spending their time bashing the movie?

[quote]H factor wrote:
When believers are calling a movie about God predictable, cliche, and stereotypical it doesn’t want me as an agnostic to rush out and see if it fits that bill or not. [/quote]
No need to rush out, but it is only a few bucks and a little of your time. Just think of how you could shut the mouths of your critics by just going to see it. Oh how fair minded and credible you would then be. I’m being serious.

I did this very thing recently with “Noah”. I never go to the movies. (wadda waste of life) A couple folks I trust, one in particular, said it was an abhorrent, grotesque mangling of the biblical narrative. I expected that from Hollywood. It was the world loving, entertainment worshiping backslidden church I was knocking foreheads with. That’s all I heard. “YOU HAVEN’T EVEN SEEN it!!”

So I reluctantly went n saw it. My friend was right, as I also expected and now that weapon is gone.

I knew it was long shot, but it doesn’t look I’m gonna get what I was after. I’ll hold out a little longer.

Jeaton, I wanted to talk to you about sumthin that has nuthin to do with this. You know where I’m at if you are so inclined.