Do You Consume Alcohol?

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[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
Especially a “cheeky” one! Who can judge that negatively??
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Hypocrites, Emily, that’s who!

[quote]Yogi wrote:
And Diddy, if you were ever at a party at mine there’s be no judgement at all if you fixed yourself a morning GnT. We’d probably still be drinking anyway[/quote]

I’ll fix you one while I’m at it.

I’m the same in that I never drink alone. That said, I find I have a bit more discipline with “fine” whiskies or wines and can actually drink them to enjoy the craftsmanship.

I boozed quite hard from my late teens to quite recently, and I think I’ve reached the point of diminishing returns from crazy benders so limit them to special occasions like stag dos. I’ve also developed an appreciation for unhungover Mondays.

Today though, I went hiking up around Loch Tay and when we got down I had a pint of stout by Fyne Ales, but I think the lines needed cleaning.

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OP-
I drink after nearly every workout, I am having a bottle of Rochefort Abbey Trappiste, #8 or #10 these days, occasionally I’ll have 2 post-workout but these bad boys come in at around 10% abv so I watch it.

During the fall I do Pumpkin beers, favorites are schlafly special edition and pumking.

I like IPA’s in the summer, favorites are probably 21st Amendment hop crisis and six point resin.
Like Stouts in the late fall/winter- favorite is Rasputin.

I don’t drink many cocktails, but when I do, it’s a Manhattan with maker’s mark.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Broncoandy wrote:

[quote]Chris Colucci wrote:
What are the drawbacks of 12oz of beer or 5oz of wine per day? Calorie count, I guess, and… ?
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From your own link - “For a 30-year-old man, the increased risk of alcohol-related accidents outweighs the possible heart-related benefits of moderate alcohol consumption.”

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Let’s think about this for a sec. There is NO way 12 oz of beer or 5 oz of wine per day could ever cause increased risk of alcohol-related accidents for a 30 year old man.

The 12 or 5 oz HAS to turn into 36 or 15 or 108 or 25 or whatever for that to happen.

Think when you quote. Think.[/quote]

I am thinking. That’s a quote from the page sighted by the guy I quoted. The same people who say drinking is good for you. They’ve probably got a study on it. Or maybe they’re just in the habit of making logic leaps because they’re bad scientists, and shouldn’t be trusted on either account.

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[quote]Broncoandy wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Broncoandy wrote:

[quote]Chris Colucci wrote:
What are the drawbacks of 12oz of beer or 5oz of wine per day? Calorie count, I guess, and… ?
[/quote]

From your own link - “For a 30-year-old man, the increased risk of alcohol-related accidents outweighs the possible heart-related benefits of moderate alcohol consumption.”

[/quote]

Let’s think about this for a sec. There is NO way 12 oz of beer or 5 oz of wine per day could ever cause increased risk of alcohol-related accidents for a 30 year old man.

The 12 or 5 oz HAS to turn into 36 or 15 or 108 or 25 or whatever for that to happen.

Think when you quote. Think.[/quote]

I am thinking. That’s a quote from the page sighted by the guy I quoted. The same people who say drinking is good for you. They’ve probably got a study on it. Or maybe they’re just in the habit of making logic leaps because they’re bad scientists, and shouldn’t be trusted on either account.[/quote]

Again, it is good for you, in the specified (smallish) amounts.

When you bring up alcohol-related accidents, consequences of long-term abuse, etc - now we’re no longer talking smallish amounts of consumption, as Push pointed out.

So you’re moving the goalposts, but we all already know that even moderate drinking isn’t exactly great for us.

-edited-

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[quote]chillain wrote:

[quote]Broncoandy wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Broncoandy wrote:

[quote]Chris Colucci wrote:
What are the drawbacks of 12oz of beer or 5oz of wine per day? Calorie count, I guess, and… ?
[/quote]

From your own link - “For a 30-year-old man, the increased risk of alcohol-related accidents outweighs the possible heart-related benefits of moderate alcohol consumption.”

[/quote]

Let’s think about this for a sec. There is NO way 12 oz of beer or 5 oz of wine per day could ever cause increased risk of alcohol-related accidents for a 30 year old man.

The 12 or 5 oz HAS to turn into 36 or 15 or 108 or 25 or whatever for that to happen.

Think when you quote. Think.[/quote]

I am thinking. That’s a quote from the page sighted by the guy I quoted. The same people who say drinking is good for you. They’ve probably got a study on it. Or maybe they’re just in the habit of making logic leaps because they’re bad scientists, and shouldn’t be trusted on either account.[/quote]

Again, it is good for you, in the specified (smallish) amounts.

When you bring up alcohol-related accidents, consequences of long-term abuse, etc - now we’re no longer talking smallish amounts of consumption, as Push pointed out.

So you’re moving the goalposts, but we all already know that even moderate drinking isn’t exactly great for us.

-edited-[/quote]

But, as was mentioned earlier are those “specified (smallish) amounts” special to alcohol or does a good diet and training surpass said benefits? Serious question.

I agree with Maverick that if you enjoy alcohol that should be enough within reason of course. Do not start if it is for the so called benefits.

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[quote]xXSeraphimXx wrote:
But, as was mentioned earlier are those “specified (smallish) amounts” special to alcohol or does a good diet and training surpass said benefits? Serious question.

I agree with Maverick that if you enjoy alcohol that should be enough within reason of course. Do not start if it is for the so called benefits.[/quote]

Agreed.

As the saying goes, “the dose makes the poison.”

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Alcohol has been around since the dawn of time. Your lovely intestinal bacteria, which help you digest and enjoy the foods you eat, also ferment a small amount of ethanol for your enjoyment.

Your body can handle it, and we know from thousands of years of use that alcohol is perfectly safe in reasonable amounts (even if occasionally consumed in unreasonable amounts).

So drink up mates, and enjoy life. For those who don’t drink., we will enjoy life just as mush as yu, maebee a littel bitt mor !%#%#&

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[quote]MrMuzik wrote:
Alcohol has been around since the dawn of time. Your lovely intestinal bacteria, which help you digest and enjoy the foods you eat, also ferment a small amount of ethanol for your enjoyment.
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Doctors didn’t believe a 61-year-old Texas home brewer who came into an emergency room completely hammered, saying that he hadn’t had a sip of booze, NPR reports. But he was telling the truth.

When nurses ran a breathalyzer test, the patient had a blood alcohol concentration of 0.37 percent, or almost five times the legal limit for driving in the state. Despite claims that he hadn’t touched any alcohol all day, he was dismissed as being a closet drinker. In fact, it was his own body producing the booze.

“He would get drunk out of the blue â?? on a Sunday morning after being at church, or really, just anytime,” said Barabara Cordell, the dean of nursing at Panola College.

Cordell and Dr. Justin McCarthy decided to take on the bizarre case, isolating the man in a hospital room for a full 24 hours. During the isolation, the man ate carbohydrate-rich foods and ended up with a blood alcohol concentration of 0.12 percent.

The man’s belly was brewing booze due to a buildup of Saccharomyces cerevisiae – a common yeast – in his gut, Cordell discovered. When he ate or drank starch-heavy foods, including bagels, pasta and soda, the yeast in his belly fermented the sugars into ethanol.

NPR reports that the rare buildup can happen after patients take antibiotics. Killing all the bacteria in one’s stomach paves the way for yeast the grow and thrive. Another contributing factor may have been his home-brewery, which would have required the man to keep plenty of live yeast around, according to Business Insider.

Cordell and McCarthy recently published their case in the International Journal of Clinical Medicine. The man’s treatment was a heaping helping of anti-fungals and a low-carb diet, according to the study.

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[quote]chillain wrote:

Again, it is good for you, in the specified (smallish) amounts.

When you bring up alcohol-related accidents, consequences of long-term abuse, etc - now we’re no longer talking smallish amounts of consumption, as Push pointed out.

So you’re moving the goalposts, but we all already know that even moderate drinking isn’t exactly great for us.

-edited-[/quote]

Again - I didn’t bring it up. The people (at harvard) who say drinking has health benefits did. Probably because they felt that even if 1 drink a day does have a benefit, it would be irresponsible to ignore the undeniable fact that for a certain percentage of the population (which will be higher in certain demographics) “moderate” drinking WILL lead to heavy drinking. Booze is addictive, and the risk of addiction and overconsumption IS a risk of moderate drinking.

You don’t even have to be a drunk. Very few people will go out and buy a 24 and drink it one at a time over the course of 24 days. Lots will drink (for example) a six pack today during football. That’s not a drinking problem by any means, but the “science” is very clear that’s not good for you.

If you like to drink, than by all means do it for the pleasure. Have your beer, and your pretzels with your football, and enjoy it. But don’t tell yourself it’s good for you. Tell yourself it’s fucking tastey and go ahead and have another.

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Never drink, never like to dose off, on the contrary like to stay sharp

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[quote]LoRez wrote:

[quote]Broncoandy wrote:
Big agriculture is the most devious of them all. First they push shit like high fructose corn syrup, corn fed beef, chicken that spends about 3 days of it’s like without antibiotics (max) before it’s slaughtered, genetically modified grains, etc… until that’s the accepted norm, than they push the premiums on regular stuff through the roof while touting the health benefits to justify why a chicken that costs pennies more per kilo to raise should cost 300% more at market. It’s brilliant.[/quote]
You don’t have to buy it.

You can grow your own corn and raise your own chickens on it if it really bothers you that much. People have been doing that for a few millennia; I’m pretty sure it works.[/quote]

You can’t be this ignorant…

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[quote]Phoenix44e wrote:

[quote]LoRez wrote:

[quote]Broncoandy wrote:
Big agriculture is the most devious of them all. First they push shit like high fructose corn syrup, corn fed beef, chicken that spends about 3 days of it’s like without antibiotics (max) before it’s slaughtered, genetically modified grains, etc… until that’s the accepted norm, than they push the premiums on regular stuff through the roof while touting the health benefits to justify why a chicken that costs pennies more per kilo to raise should cost 300% more at market. It’s brilliant.[/quote]
You don’t have to buy it.

You can grow your own corn and raise your own chickens on it if it really bothers you that much. People have been doing that for a few millennia; I’m pretty sure it works.[/quote]

You can’t be this ignorant…
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O_o Say what??

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[quote]AliveAgain36 wrote:

I ENVY people who have the willpower to stop at 1 or 2. I cannot. [/quote]

Nah… Don’t waste your time with Envy.

I’m an alcoholic that isn’t addicted to drink. I’ll think about drinking a couple times a day, pretty much every day, and god damn is the beginning of a buzz the best. But, end of the day, if I drink twice a month, it is a busy month, and if I have more than 3, it is a rocking night, lol.

(Outside tax season, during tax season I drink like a fish, lol. I get home wound up from the day, and will have a drink to help me sleep.)

There is nothing to envy. Booze isn’t really fun without tying one on, so you aren’t missing much not being able to have one or two.

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?? No idea why this picture attached to my post. It’s not even on my phone. Must be a bug.

[quote]waelkd wrote:
Never drink, never like to dose off, on the contrary like to stay sharp[/quote]

Sounds like you’re a Moloko+ kind of guy.

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[quote]Broncoandy wrote:

[quote]Chris Colucci wrote:
Not sure Harvard School of Public Health = “Big Booze”. Is “Big Agriculture” behind all that fictional propaganda praising the health benefits of fruits and vegetables?[/quote]
Big agriculture is the most devious of them all. First they push shit like high fructose corn syrup, corn fed beef, chicken that spends about 3 days of it’s like without antibiotics (max) before it’s slaughtered, genetically modified grains, etc… until that’s the accepted norm, than they push the premiums on regular stuff through the roof while touting the health benefits to justify why a chicken that costs pennies more per kilo to raise should cost 300% more at market. It’s brilliant.[/quote]
You either missed my point or ignored it. My point was that Big Booze had as much to do with this study as Big Agriculture does with some other studies. I’m asking if you believe that studies which find health benefits of fruits and vegetables are as useless or untrustworthy as studies which find health benefits of alcohol.

This would be an example of one, from the American Journal of Epidemiology, which basically says: Eat more fruits and veggies and you’re less likely to die. Is that science talking or is it Big Agriculture?
http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/content/178/4/590
I’m certainly not saying big business never influences science, btw. Just saying that it doesn’t appear to be the case here and definitely isn’t the case in every study all the time.

Instead of getting into a study-citing war (we can both find plenty of ammo if we wanted to waste time), let’s just say I felt your original statement - ‘I don’t care what “studies” big booze wants to push on us, a drinking habbit does not have “health benefits”’ - was unfounded and based much more on your personal opinion than fact.

As for the one example you keep repeating, that alcohol study very clearly states towards the end:
“If you are a man with no history of alcoholism who is at moderate to high risk for heart disease, a daily alcoholic drink could reduce that risk. Moderate drinking might be especially beneficial if you have low HDL that just wonâ??t budge upward with diet and exercise.”

So, as with pretty much anything health-related, there’s a time and a place when any certain treatment/exercise/food/supplement might be worth incorporating, and there are times when that same thing might not be a good idea. The best course of action is for the individual to make a well-informed decision on what’s best for themselves.

And just to lighten the mood and get back on topic, a Coke and red wine (calimocho) is a surprisingly-awesome drink I first heard of on an episode of No Reservations. If I’m making a “mixed drink” at home, this is my go-to, either with Coke Zero or a glass-bottle Coke with real sugar, no HFCS. :wink:

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I calculate brew into my macros… lol

Drinking a lot less now than I used to, though.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Phoenix44e wrote:

[quote]LoRez wrote:

[quote]Broncoandy wrote:
Big agriculture is the most devious of them all. First they push shit like high fructose corn syrup, corn fed beef, chicken that spends about 3 days of it’s like without antibiotics (max) before it’s slaughtered, genetically modified grains, etc… until that’s the accepted norm, than they push the premiums on regular stuff through the roof while touting the health benefits to justify why a chicken that costs pennies more per kilo to raise should cost 300% more at market. It’s brilliant.[/quote]
You don’t have to buy it.

You can grow your own corn and raise your own chickens on it if it really bothers you that much. People have been doing that for a few millennia; I’m pretty sure it works.[/quote]

You can’t be this ignorant…
[/quote]

O_o Say what??[/quote]

The idea that anyone can just go an grow whatever they want is just absurd.

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[quote]Phoenix44e wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Phoenix44e wrote:

[quote]LoRez wrote:

[quote]Broncoandy wrote:
Big agriculture is the most devious of them all. First they push shit like high fructose corn syrup, corn fed beef, chicken that spends about 3 days of it’s like without antibiotics (max) before it’s slaughtered, genetically modified grains, etc… until that’s the accepted norm, than they push the premiums on regular stuff through the roof while touting the health benefits to justify why a chicken that costs pennies more per kilo to raise should cost 300% more at market. It’s brilliant.[/quote]
You don’t have to buy it.

You can grow your own corn and raise your own chickens on it if it really bothers you that much. People have been doing that for a few millennia; I’m pretty sure it works.[/quote]

You can’t be this ignorant…
[/quote]

O_o Say what??[/quote]

The idea that anyone can just go an grow whatever they want is just absurd.[/quote]

Why is that? Life is about making choices. ANYONE can have a garden and grow vegetables. If you CHOOSE, you can move to an area that is zoned for agriculture and tend livestock… It’s not that difficult. I know people that do it and they are perfectly “normal” people, not farmers.

I tend a small garden myself. It isn’t rocket science. Given my time constraints, I buy grass fed beef a side or two at a time. But when I’ve met a few milestones that I’ve set for myself, I intend to at least raise some chickens. Maybe a few goats.

There is plenty of rural property available within an hour commute of my work territory to make this goal feasible…

How is that absurd?

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[quote]Phoenix44e wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Phoenix44e wrote:

[quote]LoRez wrote:

[quote]Broncoandy wrote:
Big agriculture is the most devious of them all. First they push shit like high fructose corn syrup, corn fed beef, chicken that spends about 3 days of it’s like without antibiotics (max) before it’s slaughtered, genetically modified grains, etc… until that’s the accepted norm, than they push the premiums on regular stuff through the roof while touting the health benefits to justify why a chicken that costs pennies more per kilo to raise should cost 300% more at market. It’s brilliant.[/quote]
You don’t have to buy it.

You can grow your own corn and raise your own chickens on it if it really bothers you that much. People have been doing that for a few millennia; I’m pretty sure it works.[/quote]

You can’t be this ignorant…
[/quote]

O_o Say what??[/quote]

The idea that anyone can just go an grow whatever they want is just absurd.[/quote]

…

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[quote]angry chicken wrote:

[quote]Phoenix44e wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Phoenix44e wrote:

[quote]LoRez wrote:

[quote]Broncoandy wrote:
Big agriculture is the most devious of them all. First they push shit like high fructose corn syrup, corn fed beef, chicken that spends about 3 days of it’s like without antibiotics (max) before it’s slaughtered, genetically modified grains, etc… until that’s the accepted norm, than they push the premiums on regular stuff through the roof while touting the health benefits to justify why a chicken that costs pennies more per kilo to raise should cost 300% more at market. It’s brilliant.[/quote]
You don’t have to buy it.

You can grow your own corn and raise your own chickens on it if it really bothers you that much. People have been doing that for a few millennia; I’m pretty sure it works.[/quote]

You can’t be this ignorant…
[/quote]

O_o Say what??[/quote]

The idea that anyone can just go an grow whatever they want is just absurd.[/quote]

Why is that? Life is about making choices. ANYONE can have a garden and grow vegetables. If you CHOOSE, you can move to an area that is zoned for agriculture and tend livestock… It’s not that difficult. I know people that do it and they are perfectly “normal” people, not farmers.

I tend a small garden myself. It isn’t rocket science. Given my time constraints, I buy grass fed beef a side or two at a time. But when I’ve met a few milestones that I’ve set for myself, I intend to at least raise some chickens. Maybe a few goats.

There is plenty of rural property available within an hour commute of my work territory to make this goal feasible…

How is that absurd?
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It isn’t.

I have a garden as well. Very small, doesn’t sustain me all year, but I could make it work if I wanted to.

My mother has chickens (13 I think) so I eat amazingly fresh eggs every day. I’m thinking about building a coop myself.

There’s plenty of deer around here to hunt. Fresh, grass feed beef is abundant; although pricey. Hell, my sister in law asked us to keep a goat on our property (we declined…).

In short, it’s entirely possible for a lot of people.