Do You All Get DOMS?

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[quote]kroby wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
If I don’t get sore I don’t grow. I get doms in every single body part every single time though abs and calves are the most resistant, but they get sore too.

Can’t speak for everybody, but for me no doms = no growth.

I know you’re very knowledgeable, Tirib. But just consider:

If you’re strength increases over a time period while concurrently no DOMS is incurred… what does that say?

If your bodyweight (LBM) increases over a time period while concurrently no DOMS is incurred… what does that say?

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Let me make clear a few points.

If I don’t get sore I don’t grow. That’s not the same as saying that nobody can grow without experiencing doms.

I do not believe that doms causes growth and I do not train with the idea of incurring as much doms as possible or any at all actually. If I have trained effectively I WILL have doms. It’s an indicator not a goal.

There are plenty of ways to make yourself sore that have nothing to do with inducing a growth stimulus and are irrelevant to this topic.

I am certain, during and after a workout whether I’ve accomplished what I set out to. I can feel it. When I have a big mental thumbs up assuring me this was a good session I’m sore starting the next morning and sorest 24 hours later.

Muscles that really hurt during my sets get really sore and wind up growing. It’s a progression.

I’m not going to tell somebody who’s happy with the way they’re progressing that they aren’t if they don’t get doms. My problem is people that read something and plan their training according to that rather than from their own experience. My experience is that doms directly correlates with my progress. If somebody else’s experience is different then fine.

Also, I appreciate your compliment, but don’t overestimate my knowledge. I may not have as much as you think. I’d like to believe I have a pretty good grip on the money principles that work in this game and not much more.

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[quote]Joe D. wrote:
Well I finally cracked the whole 15s negative for calf raises and I am still have severe DOMs two days later.

So maybe the negatives are a factor?
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It is believed that negatives or emphasizing the negative will cause more DOMS. I’m pretty sure Poliquin has stated this in many of his articles.

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Thanks for your modesty.

I echo what you think in that you MUST get sore to grow in size or strength. How ever as you said one must be progressing to get your body to respond due to it’s high degree of adaptation.

So for me as you I need to push it till I get DOMS or I basically waist my time in the gym…

Solid

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
kroby wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
If I don’t get sore I don’t grow. I get doms in every single body part every single time though abs and calves are the most resistant, but they get sore too.

Can’t speak for everybody, but for me no doms = no growth.

I know you’re very knowledgeable, Tirib. But just consider:

If you’re strength increases over a time period while concurrently no DOMS is incurred… what does that say?

If your bodyweight (LBM) increases over a time period while concurrently no DOMS is incurred… what does that say?

Let me make clear a few points.

If I don’t get sore I don’t grow. That’s not the same as saying that nobody can grow without experiencing doms.

I do not believe that doms causes growth and I do not train with the idea of incurring as much doms as possible or any at all actually. If I have trained effectively I WILL have doms. It’s an indicator not a goal.

There are plenty of ways to make yourself sore that have nothing to do with inducing a growth stimulus and are irrelevant to this topic.

I am certain, during and after a workout whether I’ve accomplished what I set out to. I can feel it. When I have a big mental thumbs up assuring me this was a good session I’m sore starting the next morning and sorest 24 hours later.

Muscles that really hurt during my sets get really sore and wind up growing. It’s a progression.

I’m not going to tell somebody who’s happy with the way they’re progressing that they aren’t if they don’t get doms. My problem is people that read something and plan their training according to that rather than from their own experience. My experience is that doms directly correlates with my progress. If somebody else’s experience is different then fine.

Also, I appreciate your compliment, but don’t overestimate my knowledge. I may not have as much as you think. I’d like to believe I have a pretty good grip on the money principles that work in this game and not much more.[/quote]

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[quote]inthego wrote:
I seem to get DOMS each time I train a body part, however I did not used to get sore years ago unless I did not train for a week or two…

I found that old bodybuilding mantra to be true “don’t repete the same work out twice”.

I change any number of things from vol to weight to free weights or machines… Even something as simple as the order of muscles worked that day, any little thing will keep the DOMS in my life…

As Tiribulus said DOMS=Growth. So true for me too…

Solid[/quote]

I used to take that too literally in the early days (at the gym though, i used to stick to more similar workouts at home - lack of equipment probably). When i around 22, i used to have a pretty different workout each time, and it stopped my muscles growing. They couldnt adapt as not only were they “kept guessing” they were plain “fucking confused”!
Lean and muscular i was at that time though… good with shirt off, not with shirt on!

Now i never repeat the same workout twice - in that there will be a slight increase in some reps and some weight. Maybe 1 exercise different, each week for a number of weeks… then often, instead of changing the program - over time it evolves into a higher rep or the other way into a strength program.
Sometimes of course i change the program fully. Sometimes too often.

The trouble with constantly reading about/thinking about training, is that new ideas come to you on a regular basis, so that you add them or use them, but your current workout suffers in the process.

There takes a good amount of resiliance to KEEP the same workout for me! hahah!

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[quote]AngryVader wrote:
Joe D. wrote:
Well I finally cracked the whole 15s negative for calf raises and I am still have severe DOMs two days later.

So maybe the negatives are a factor?

It is believed that negatives or emphasizing the negative will cause more DOMS. I’m pretty sure Poliquin has stated this in many of his articles.[/quote]

Yes, it absolutely does.

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You make a good point I did not express.
Your goal is your goal and change is not from “type” of training to another.

keeping me on my toes Joe…

Solid

[quote]Joe Joseph wrote:
inthego wrote:
I seem to get DOMS each time I train a body part, however I did not used to get sore years ago unless I did not train for a week or two…

I found that old bodybuilding mantra to be true “don’t repete the same work out twice”.

I change any number of things from vol to weight to free weights or machines… Even something as simple as the order of muscles worked that day, any little thing will keep the DOMS in my life…

As Tiribulus said DOMS=Growth. So true for me too…

Solid

I used to take that too literally in the early days (at the gym though, i used to stick to more similar workouts at home - lack of equipment probably). When i around 22, i used to have a pretty different workout each time, and it stopped my muscles growing. They couldnt adapt as not only were they “kept guessing” they were plain “fucking confused”!
Lean and muscular i was at that time though… good with shirt off, not with shirt on!

Now i never repeat the same workout twice - in that there will be a slight increase in some reps and some weight. Maybe 1 exercise different, each week for a number of weeks… then often, instead of changing the program - over time it evolves into a higher rep or the other way into a strength program.
Sometimes of course i change the program fully. Sometimes too often.

The trouble with constantly reading about/thinking about training, is that new ideas come to you on a regular basis, so that you add them or use them, but your current workout suffers in the process.

There takes a good amount of resiliance to KEEP the same workout for me! hahah![/quote]