My experience with DOMS is similar with many others here, I get it when I change things up but then not so much. I used to get it in the early years but found training a body part frequently kept the DOMS away. Anyway, that is how I train now so the lack of DOMS is not surprising.
Some exercises nearly guarantee it, however; generally those where I can isolate the target muscle the best. Good mornings, for example.
[quote]Joe Joseph wrote:
If i have trained particularly hard… say 20 sets on a bodypart i havent trained for a month(!) then i start to get DOMS later the same day, i like that cos i know its gonna be bad! kinda sick…
Joe[/quote]
This happens for me pretty frequently when I train legs. I workout in the afternoon and sometimes after I get home and sit on the couch for a bit, I can feel the soreness setting in already. I get that feeling of, “Oh shit, tomorrow is going to suck!”
LOL! You like it though? SICK BASTARD VADER!!
It is one of those that only comes from a new, 100% effort leg workout.
[quote]Joe Joseph wrote:
LOL! You like it though? SICK BASTARD VADER!!
It is one of those that only comes from a new, 100% effort leg workout.[/quote]
I don’t think I’d do it at all if I didn’t enjoy it.
And yes, I am a sick bastard. 
DOMS is greatly affected by what food you give your body in the hours after your last work out.
When I don’t eat enough carbs afterwards, I’m sore the next day. Good amount of carbs - no soreness.
AAS are a great help, too. The quick recovery allows you to hit the same muscles much sooner, thus stimulating more (than normal) muscle growth.
aas i get… but you may have hit it there with the food. My nutrition in general - but especially my pre and post workout nutrition is much better than a few years ago… maybe that is it!
I bet that is the case for most of us here too… nice one kroby!
Joe
think of it like this;
y=ax-b
where y is intensity of DOMS, a denotes the changes in the workout, x is the amount of work (volume) and b is nutrition (better nutrition scores higher).
The more ax goes, the intensity of DOMS should go up.
At the same time DOMS are less intense as b gets higher.
lol
g
There’s always one… 
Joe…been living in Sweden for a few years but probably off to Geneva come august, i’m originally Irish! I teach…but only where the money and students are good. Gives me more time to look after my training.
That’s interesting about the nutrition side of things. Of course it makes sense but even though we hear it all time we still can’t get it through our thick skulls that training hard alone is not what makes us progress. Don’t get me wrong, i know we have to eat well but i never thought about the relationship of food intake with DOMS.
If I don’t get sore I don’t grow. I get doms in every single body part every single time though abs and calves are the most resistant, but they get sore too.
Can’t speak for everybody, but for me no doms = no growth.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
If I don’t get sore I don’t grow. I get doms in every single body part every single time though abs and calves are the most resistant, but they get sore too.
Can’t speak for everybody, but for me no doms = no growth.[/quote]
I’d have to say that if I don’t feel sore after a workout then I must not have worked hard enough. This is especially true with calves.
I know some people on here say that it’s crazy to seek soreness, but that’s just how I feel.
[quote]FatPat wrote:
Joe…been living in Sweden for a few years but probably off to Geneva come august, i’m originally Irish! I teach…but only where the money and students are good. Gives me more time to look after my training.
That’s interesting about the nutrition side of things. Of course it makes sense but even though we hear it all time we still can’t get it through our thick skulls that training hard alone is not what makes us progress. Don’t get me wrong, i know we have to eat well but i never thought about the relationship of food intake with DOMS.
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AAahh… i get it! Pat = patrick! Fat = Fat!
I think the nutrition has a pert in DOMS and most of us mere mortals forget that sometimes, as is the microtears and possibly waste products all having a part to play. I am going to read this today i think:
http://www.T-Nation.com/tmagnum/readTopic.do?id=2144015&pageNo=1
TC’s post on DOMS in detail. I believe there is some decent research in there. I gonna read it before i pretend to know anymore…;D
Joe
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
If I don’t get sore I don’t grow. I get doms in every single body part every single time though abs and calves are the most resistant, but they get sore too.
Can’t speak for everybody, but for me no doms = no growth.[/quote]
I know you’re very knowledgeable, Tirib. But just consider:
If you’re strength increases over a time period while concurrently no DOMS is incurred… what does that say?
If your bodyweight (LBM) increases over a time period while concurrently no DOMS is incurred… what does that say?
I think it was Thibs that wrote once that there’s a lot of ways to make a muscle sore…hitting it with a baseball bat comes to mind…but…that pain was no indicator of inducing muscle growth…
I typically don’t get DOMS for about 4 weeks straight while I’m on the total body program I do for four weeks…but my lifts improve, my lbm increases and my body grows…then when I go off my plan and do different training programs for a week I’ll get sore…I love getting sore and psychologically feel like a wuss when I don’t get DOMS…but…I’m believing my measurable increases are a better indicator of success than soreness.
Not trying to bash or discount any proponents of DOMS being necessary.
[quote]sen say wrote:
I think it was Thibs that wrote once that there’s a lot of ways to make a muscle sore…hitting it with a baseball bat comes to mind…but…that pain was no indicator of inducing muscle growth…
I typically don’t get DOMS for about 4 weeks straight while I’m on the total body program I do for four weeks…but my lifts improve, my lbm increases and my body grows…then when I go off my plan and do different training programs for a week I’ll get sore…I love getting sore and psychologically feel like a wuss when I don’t get DOMS…but…I’m believing my measurable increases are a better indicator of success than soreness.
Not trying to bash or discount any proponents of DOMS being necessary.[/quote]
I definitely agree with you. I’m not saying the soreness is required. I’m just saying I like it. Then again, I’m nuts.
Me too mate. To at least one of your claims.
Joe
I think it’s fair to say that as long as you are progressing there isn’t too much to worry about. That said, i do agree with vader and joe, you do feel like you’ve worked hard if you’re sore the next day.
Mind you sometimes for me it’s nearly 48 hrs later…when you have to bend down to pick something up and you feel like you’ve aged a millennia. Jesus…feel a bit like it this evening.
I realized that the more doms i feel the faster i grow , within reason of course.
The thing that makes me sore and stronger on a constant basis are post failure methods. Be it rest pause, drop-sets ( which i dont like to do, but they work) partials…
Well I finally cracked the whole 15s negative for calf raises and I am still have severe DOMs two days later.
So maybe the negatives are a factor?
Generally speaking, everything always aches. The pain varies though, I guess to a certain extent, you get accustomed to it and don’t notice it as much.
I seem to get DOMS each time I train a body part, however I did not used to get sore years ago unless I did not train for a week or two…
I found that old bodybuilding mantra to be true “don’t repete the same work out twice”.
I change any number of things from vol to weight to free weights or machines… Even something as simple as the order of muscles worked that day, any little thing will keep the DOMS in my life…
As Tiribulus said DOMS=Growth. So true for me too…
Solid