Do I Have Enough Mass to Cut?

Training Bodybuilding
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[quote]FattyFat wrote:
You seem to be honest about your situation. That’s a plus.
I’d simply start by cleaning up my diet: there’s a lot of cleaning-up potential in your diet. The perk of this approach is that you’re not going hungry and you’ll be learning how to eat better. That’s gonna come in handy as soon as you’re going to move to your own place (I take it you’re still living with your parents).

To be honest, I doubt you’ll be able to down as many cals with clean-ish food as you’re currently ingesting. So, I’m pretty sure you’ll lose fat by cleaning up your diet without (severely) compromising muscle gains. By the way: clean-ish could be implemented as 80%& clean, 20% dirty-ish.

Farsi harf mizhani?
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Thanks again man,and yes, I still am living with my parents till next fall when I go off to Michigan State.

Oh yeah; Salem Cheytori (I have horrible spelling and only know the basics of Farsi, my dad trys to be as americanized as possible to avoid negative racial stigma).

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Can you do rack pulls instead of deads?

Also, is your name from a RJD2 and blueprint song?

Also, also, I’m an immigrant from India, and can understand your dad’s sentiment, but I think it’s a shame that some of us have to give up some semblance of culture to become ‘American’. I mean, there are some customs that are hard to keep in a new country, but language should not be one of them.

My opinion anyway.

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[quote]ridethecliche wrote:
Can you do rack pulls instead of deads?

Also, is your name from a RJD2 and blueprint song?

Also, also, I’m an immigrant from India, and can understand your dad’s sentiment, but I think it’s a shame that some of us have to give up some semblance of culture to become ‘American’. I mean, there are some customs that are hard to keep in a new country, but language should not be one of them.

My opinion anyway.[/quote]

Rack pulls are allowed and are incorporated (albeit not as much as they should) in my workouts. To be honest, certain areas of my back are actually larger proportionatly than my front side, and the only reason I didnt add a back pic was that I couldnt get a good angle off in my room alone at 2:30 am last night, though I will tyr to get one up moderatly soon.

While my DL did seem low, keep in mind I have only been able to do the movement maybe 10 workouts, so the weight was low from a lack of form and muscle memory moreso than a lack of muscle (Kinda like how people who only legpress can legpress a bit more than some squatters, but then cant squat nearly as much in comparison).

Right now the only part of my back that is lacking though is my posterior chain, as I hold a disproportionate amount of fat around there, which I belive is directly related to the lack of deadlifts.

As for my Dad’s views, I understand where you’re coming from, but I will never forget what my dad has told me ever since I was young enough to remember. Basically it was along the lines of “Don’t you ever tell me that you have it tough, you were born rich, white (looking), and Male, and In the lottery of oppertunity in America you have won first prize”.

And while I agree with you that Language generally should not be one of the parts of a culture forgotton, my father wanted the first language for me to learn to be English, and he did not want me learning another one at a young age in fear of confusion of the two.

I Don’t want this to turn into a glass ceiling and racial oppertunity debate, especially on my first thread here, but if you’d like to discuss it further feel free to PM me.

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All good, no need to discuss it further. My bad for starting it up.

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GO GREEN!!

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
You are already bigger than 90% of the people posting in this forum.

Hard to believe, huh? I mean, you would think with all of the posturing and the ridiculous attempts by many to sound like rocket scientists explaining the inner working of a black hole’s event horizon that most here would be HUGE…but they aren’t.

Most here spend more time trying to sound smart than actually being smart in the gym…so be proud of what you have accomplished so far.

If you want to drop a little body fat, there is nothing wrong with.

There IS something wrong with trying to get ripped in a few weeks because all you will mostly lose is body water and muscle mass.

Either do it right or don’t do it at all. At your stage, some all out “contest diet” would destroy your progress.[/quote]

See now as usual you’re wrong. They are like that only because they do everything according to what the latest peer reviewed study tells them to do. If there is no study to back up their thinking, they automatically defaults into believing they’re incorrect and seek a general consensus from a anonymous group. They should follow instinct but there haven’t been any studies showing that following instincts works.

On a serious note, have any of you rookies noticed that People Like Prof X don’t ask for training advice? Why? Because he learned to think on his own two feet and learned to listen to his body.

He did it all Before extensive and exhaustive studies told him to. Now he’s never lost. Learn from him and ask why he does not need to ask. Did he absorb the be all and all of knowledge? Or did he learn a new and specific method of thinking in his training a long time ago. Hmmmmmmmmm.

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Definitely bigger than me.

I wouldn’t have even posted but saw the insomniac comment. Be careful doing exercises in the middle of the night, it is going to make your already bad sleeping habits much worse, and from what I’ve read it doesn’t help muscle development or metabolism a whole lot either.

Sure you could argue that if you are awake in the middle of the night its better to do something healthy than turning on the television and eating junk food… but its not going to help you fall back asleep.

I don’t recall the reason but working out late at night will make it harder to fall asleep, as will eating. If you are a true insomniac, I’m surprised whatever doctor gave you the sleep medicine didn’t first discuss your night habits and explain this to you.

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its been said but should be said again…

DONT try to get shredded before summer. you WILL lose muscle.
im 19 now and i did exactly that my junior year in high school
because i was tired of being fat. now i regret it. i lost a
lot of muscle and strength because i had no clue how to lose
fat efficiently. just make sure you get your diet straightened
out before you do and you’ll be so happy in the long run.

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I don’t see anything wrong with doing a little bit of cleaning up, but I wouldn’t go on an all out cut. An all out cut would stall progress whereas just doing a little cleaning up and maybe adding HIIT or Interval Training would help you lean out a bit while still working towards gaining strength and size.

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I’d lean out some if I were you so that you can look good and keep gaining muscle. You are miles and miles ahead of 99.9% of people your age.

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[quote]ebomb5522 wrote:
I don’t see anything wrong with doing a little bit of cleaning up, but I wouldn’t go on an all out cut. An all out cut would stall progress whereas just doing a little cleaning up and maybe adding HIIT or Interval Training would help you lean out a bit while still working towards gaining strength and size. [/quote]

yeah of course that would be fine… i just wanted to say dont try to lose
all at once

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[quote]Enders Drift wrote:
Definitely bigger than me.

I wouldn’t have even posted but saw the insomniac comment. Be careful doing exercises in the middle of the night, it is going to make your already bad sleeping habits much worse, and from what I’ve read it doesn’t help muscle development or metabolism a whole lot either.

Sure you could argue that if you are awake in the middle of the night its better to do something healthy than turning on the television and eating junk food… but its not going to help you fall back asleep.

I don’t recall the reason but working out late at night will make it harder to fall asleep, as will eating. If you are a true insomniac, I’m surprised whatever doctor gave you the sleep medicine didn’t first discuss your night habits and explain this to you.[/quote]

Hah, well I’ve been on sleeping meds since I was 13 (I know many people say that is too young to know whether or not someone has a disorder but I used to get less than 4 hours of sleep a night regularly and used to go up to 55 hours without sleeping with no stimulants or caffine), I suffer from an overactive nervous system. This was before I started lifting, and I never really just thought I’d bring it to his attention as I never thought it was really a big deal.

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Just clean up your diet. Look up the “Chanko Diet” on here. It’s simple and can be used to drop some fat if needed. Do NOT try anything drastic to lean out.

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[quote]Gregus wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
You are already bigger than 90% of the people posting in this forum.

Hard to believe, huh? I mean, you would think with all of the posturing and the ridiculous attempts by many to sound like rocket scientists explaining the inner working of a black hole’s event horizon that most here would be HUGE…but they aren’t.

Most here spend more time trying to sound smart than actually being smart in the gym…so be proud of what you have accomplished so far.

If you want to drop a little body fat, there is nothing wrong with.

There IS something wrong with trying to get ripped in a few weeks because all you will mostly lose is body water and muscle mass.

Either do it right or don’t do it at all. At your stage, some all out “contest diet” would destroy your progress.[/quote]

See now as usual you’re wrong. They are like that only because they do everything according to what the latest peer reviewed study tells them to do. If there is no study to back up their thinking, they automatically defaults into believing they’re incorrect and seek a general consensus from a anonymous group. They should follow instinct but there haven’t been any studies showing that following instincts works.

On a serious note, have any of you rookies noticed that People Like Prof X don’t ask for training advice? Why? Because he learned to think on his own two feet and learned to listen to his body.

He did it all Before extensive and exhaustive studies told him to. Now he’s never lost. Learn from him and ask why he does not need to ask. Did he absorb the be all and all of knowledge? Or did he learn a new and specific method of thinking in his training a long time ago. Hmmmmmmmmm. [/quote]

Yeah, I actually would compare my style of training right now to the way Prof. X described his traning on the first page of his Professor X: A request thread, that has become a staple on this forum.

I don’t really go to high into trends, supplements, or even that much structured splits at this point. I simply Train what feels/wants to be trained (I swear some days I can feel my muscles throbbing, litearlly begging wordlessly to be trained), and go on from there. Granted, this is why I had a HUGELY disproportionatly small lower body in my first few years of lifting (benched over 300 a few days after my 16th birthday… probably could squat 150… if that), but that has since been corrected and is vastly improviing (Got 255 x8 today, cant wait to max out this month). Simply put, i like to think I train hard, eat big, and don’t “major in the minor” as some put it here. Unlike most idiots my age, the only supplement I take is standard whey protein (though I will start to incorporate more fish oil and vitamins), as I never saw the reason to take weight gainers when you could just eat a lot more tasty food.

Thanks for all the compliments and advice, once again. It’s the sense of commaradie and no excuses attidute that make me prefer this forum infiintly more than shit sites (imo) like BB.com

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[quote]bugeishaAD wrote:
I’d lean out some if I were you so that you can look good and keep gaining muscle. You are miles and miles ahead of 99.9% of people your age.[/quote]

Thanks a lot man. Like I said before, I firmly agree with Prof. X’s theory that formerly overweight children have a much easier time gaining mass. I was 210 plds of pure blubber in middleschool, and I credit that to giving me broad shoulders (I figured it probably made my nautral bone frame huge to support the weight) before I even touched a weight.

Another thing I have touched on is my genetics, which I belive are an extreme advantage, especailly with regarding guys my own age. I am distantly related to Mohammad Nassiri, a former persian Powerlifter who won several olympic medals, and so everytime I lift, I try to think of all the gifts I was given, and try to convince myself it would be a waste not to use them. Even my dad, who is 52 and 165 plds at 5’6 can still put up 240 despite not lifitng regularly.

As for what seems to be the consencious that I should try to cut a little fat, but not do full cut (as in try to get into diet contest shape), I have taken these words to heart and have stepped up my hitt cardio to 3 times a week, and elimanted a lot fo the junk and nutrionless calories and processed foods. Looking forward to updating this in a month or time with maybe a 5-10 pounds of fat lost and a little muscle gained, well at least thats what I hope.

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[quote]VerbalHologram wrote:

[quote]Gregus wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
You are already bigger than 90% of the people posting in this forum.

Hard to believe, huh? I mean, you would think with all of the posturing and the ridiculous attempts by many to sound like rocket scientists explaining the inner working of a black hole’s event horizon that most here would be HUGE…but they aren’t.

Most here spend more time trying to sound smart than actually being smart in the gym…so be proud of what you have accomplished so far.

If you want to drop a little body fat, there is nothing wrong with.

There IS something wrong with trying to get ripped in a few weeks because all you will mostly lose is body water and muscle mass.

Either do it right or don’t do it at all. At your stage, some all out “contest diet” would destroy your progress.[/quote]

See now as usual you’re wrong. They are like that only because they do everything according to what the latest peer reviewed study tells them to do. If there is no study to back up their thinking, they automatically defaults into believing they’re incorrect and seek a general consensus from a anonymous group. They should follow instinct but there haven’t been any studies showing that following instincts works.

On a serious note, have any of you rookies noticed that People Like Prof X don’t ask for training advice? Why? Because he learned to think on his own two feet and learned to listen to his body.

He did it all Before extensive and exhaustive studies told him to. Now he’s never lost. Learn from him and ask why he does not need to ask. Did he absorb the be all and all of knowledge? Or did he learn a new and specific method of thinking in his training a long time ago. Hmmmmmmmmm. [/quote]

Yeah, I actually would compare my style of training right now to the way Prof. X described his traning on the first page of his Professor X: A request thread, that has become a staple on this forum.

I don’t really go to high into trends, supplements, or even that much structured splits at this point. I simply Train what feels/wants to be trained (I swear some days I can feel my muscles throbbing, litearlly begging wordlessly to be trained), and go on from there. Granted, this is why I had a HUGELY disproportionatly small lower body in my first few years of lifting (benched over 300 a few days after my 16th birthday… probably could squat 150… if that), but that has since been corrected and is vastly improviing (Got 255 x8 today, cant wait to max out this month). Simply put, i like to think I train hard, eat big, and don’t “major in the minor” as some put it here. Unlike most idiots my age, the only supplement I take is standard whey protein (though I will start to incorporate more fish oil and vitamins), as I never saw the reason to take weight gainers when you could just eat a lot more tasty food.

Thanks for all the compliments and advice, once again. It’s the sense of commaradie and no excuses attidute that make me prefer this forum infiintly more than shit sites (imo) like BB.com[/quote]

You know on a whim, i tried the old school bodybuilders methods of drinking whole eggs. Amazing. I swear every time i down about 6 whole eggs my sex drive skyrockets to the point of consuming me lol. Bathrooms breaks are a MUST. Vince Gironda called this, the Hormone shake. I can see why. There is definitely something happening with either Test levels or SHBG decrease.

Just wanted to share the best weight (lean Muscle) gainer i found so far. Better then beef for my body.

So experiment and see if this enhances your arsenal.

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Gonna throw up one more, most specfically to show how far I’ve come from the first pic in this thread which is dated all the way back in October. Keep in mind it was the holiday season, and I was out a few weeks of all activity with a broken wrist (Couldn’t drive to the gym to do legs, parents were busy, only got 5 workouts of essentially just leg pressing).

Here we have my last pic as a minor (big 18 tommorow)

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hey man happy bday. im 20 and change, and you easily kill me in mass/lifts etc. im not really jealous, as i always get to see my abs, but then again i didnt get PX telling me how good i am. nonetheless, waita be bro do you have any plans post high school (im assumin you graduate this year)?

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[quote]Gregus wrote:

You know on a whim, i tried the old school bodybuilders methods of drinking whole eggs. Amazing. I swear every time i down about 6 whole eggs my sex drive skyrockets to the point of consuming me lol. Bathrooms breaks are a MUST. Vince Gironda called this, the Hormone shake. I can see why. There is definitely something happening with either Test levels or SHBG decrease.

Just wanted to share the best weight (lean Muscle) gainer i found so far. Better then beef for my body.

So experiment and see if this enhances your arsenal. [/quote]

If it weren’t for a bad (cheap) batch I had one time (made me lose my appetite/feel sick) I’d still be downing eggs - used to drink up to 30 a day lol. Can’t stomach the thought of them now! Just keep in mind, don’t buy the cheap caged chicken eggs, go for free range/organic (much more nutrients and better quality, plus I’ve never been ill from them).

Great source of cholesterol (good for testosterone) and a wide variety of nutrients.

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[quote]its_just_me wrote:

[quote]Gregus wrote:

You know on a whim, i tried the old school bodybuilders methods of drinking whole eggs. Amazing. I swear every time i down about 6 whole eggs my sex drive skyrockets to the point of consuming me lol. Bathrooms breaks are a MUST. Vince Gironda called this, the Hormone shake. I can see why. There is definitely something happening with either Test levels or SHBG decrease.

Just wanted to share the best weight (lean Muscle) gainer i found so far. Better then beef for my body.

So experiment and see if this enhances your arsenal. [/quote]

If it weren’t for a bad (cheap) batch I had one time (made me lose my appetite/feel sick) I’d still be downing eggs - used to drink up to 30 a day lol. Can’t stomach the thought of them now! Just keep in mind, don’t buy the cheap caged chicken eggs, go for free range/organic (much more nutrients and better quality, plus I’ve never been ill from them).

Great source of cholesterol (good for testosterone) and a wide variety of nutrients.[/quote]

I dont see how raw eggs are any different than cooked eggs though