You’re doing well now, and will be stronger after you get the hang of a better pulling position. Spend your time deadlifting to build strength, and not deadlifting to learn how to deadlift.[/quote]
Are you kidding me with this? Form work is the only thing that will enable him to move big weights in the long run (coupled with heavy training). Sure he’ll get stronger if he continues pulling like this, but then he’ll hit a wall and won’t make gains again until he fixes his form, so why shouldn’t he do it now and set himself up for success in the long run. What’s more I think he initially asked for help with his form (and probably how to fix it).[/quote]
What I was trying to say, is it will take him maybe 1 or 2 sessions to learn how to pull correctly, after which he will be that much stronger just from recruiting the proper pulling muscles.
Spending 1 or 2 months to progress to pulling from the floor seems like an inefficient use of time, especially for someone who just started pulling and can make large progress in a short amount of time and will require making modifications to the program he’s been running with some success.
I totally agree that it needs to be fixed, but disagree that it will take a progressing down to the floor from rack pulls to fix it; 1 or 2 sessions should be all that it will take to find the proper start position, or at least dramatically improve it from where is now.
I wasn’t trying to be offensive with any of this, just offering a contrary viewpoint.
You’re doing well now, and will be stronger after you get the hang of a better pulling position. Spend your time deadlifting to build strength, and not deadlifting to learn how to deadlift.[/quote]
Are you kidding me with this? Form work is the only thing that will enable him to move big weights in the long run (coupled with heavy training). Sure he’ll get stronger if he continues pulling like this, but then he’ll hit a wall and won’t make gains again until he fixes his form, so why shouldn’t he do it now and set himself up for success in the long run. What’s more I think he initially asked for help with his form (and probably how to fix it).[/quote]
What I was trying to say, is it will take him maybe 1 or 2 sessions to learn how to pull correctly, after which he will be that much stronger just from recruiting the proper pulling muscles.
Spending 1 or 2 months to progress to pulling from the floor seems like an inefficient use of time, especially for someone who just started pulling and can make large progress in a short amount of time and will require making modifications to the program he’s been running with some success.
I totally agree that it needs to be fixed, but disagree that it will take a progressing down to the floor from rack pulls to fix it; 1 or 2 sessions should be all that it will take to find the proper start position, or at least dramatically improve it from where is now.
I wasn’t trying to be offensive with any of this, just offering a contrary viewpoint.
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No, offense taken, your words just seemed to say keep deadlifting and don’t worry about your form. I do think what you suggest can work, but I don’t think it always works. And I do think progressing down with rack pulls works most of the time. I didn’t think he just started pulling. I thought I read he’d done 11 cycles of 531? That’s almost a year of deadlifting.
Anyway… Sorry for the momentary hijack of your thread OP. Take the advice you want and keep after it. Maybe you could do both what theuofh suggested and what I suggested. Do your 531 deadlifts (with better form, bar farther forward knees bent a bit more and butt down, and stretch your hammies) then do rack pulls as an accessory lift and work your way down.
You should really really really NOT be full ROM deadlifting until you get your technique and mobility sorted out. It’s a matter of time that this manifests itself as a herneated disc. Drop the ego and save your back. You can start by reading literally anything from Eric Cressey or Mike Robertson.
^ above suggestions, but is it just me, or does the OPs torso seem very short relative to his legs - may be part of the problem. I say this because his hips arent really any higher than mine at the begining of the problem
[quote]caveman101 wrote:
^ above suggestions, but is it just me, or does the OPs torso seem very short relative to his legs - may be part of the problem. I say this because his hips arent really any higher than mine at the begining of the problem[/quote]
They’re pretty high, but at the same time, they aren’t really ‘back’ either
This article can be helpful to give you some ques on training. When i lift and try to correct my technique, i need something to visualize.
From the video you posted, i would say you could look into the neck packing part of this article. Basically, instead of looking “up” you look at a spot 10-15 feet in front of you.
It also may be helpful for you to keep your shoulders behind the bar. this will force you to drive “back” into your heels, and get the weight into your hammies and glutes more.
Only other thing I would focus on would be your eyes. Stop looking down or even straight ahead. Bring your eyes up and it will help rotate your shoulders back and keep your chest up. This should help bring your hips down a little as well. I would say the most important thing would be flexibility though.
I thought Cressey says to step up to the bar til shins touch and lower leg is perpendicular to the ground. I’ve seen other people step a couple inches away and then “translate” their knees to the bar. Anybody have thoughts on how to reconcile this?
I’ve always deadlifted by stepping up to the bar with a few inches away from my shins and then when i go down to the bar my shins move forward until they touch the bar. However, I was thinking of trying out the Cressey method to see.
[quote]Squatzenheimer wrote:
I thought Cressey says to step up to the bar til shins touch and lower leg is perpendicular to the ground. I’ve seen other people step a couple inches away and then “translate” their knees to the bar. Anybody have thoughts on how to reconcile this?
I’ve always deadlifted by stepping up to the bar with a few inches away from my shins and then when i go down to the bar my shins move forward until they touch the bar. However, I was thinking of trying out the Cressey method to see. [/quote]
I meant read up on Cressey and Robertson’s mobility stuff. Sorry for the confusion.