[quote]Sifu wrote:
Those guys back then were hard, but they did have repsect and didn’t just dump a body in a dumpster.[/quote]
I think that’s the main issue. I know some crazy, rough, tough SOB’s, and there is something to be said for hard sparring. But that’s different than continuing to beat on some mentally ill individual who verbally gives up and then repeatedly stomping his head while on the ground. Those guys in the video are scumbags plain and simple.
gotta say that this video is really bad and i’m deaf, and cant understand why people like these pick on
us? i’ve never been beaten but called names, spit on, kicked on… this just gives me really bad memories
that i dont want to feel. hope they find these fellas and put them in jail. i’m getting off, those shit feelings are bothering me and i’m a 45 yr old man, crap!
This was sickening.
And I am glad to see that the majority of posts have been sensible, human reactions to this senseless act of violence.
I urge people to stop using the word “retard” in relation to the victim, this can be a hurtful term. It is clear from the video that he was suffering from some form of illness, I don’t think that it is the important factor in this video.
I would also like the express my dislike of this being compared to dojo challenges that were apparently common place in times gone by.
I have read several accounts of such challenges taking place, and there are certain differences that I believe are important.
These challanges would have been between established martial artists, who presumably are of sound body and mind.
In all the accounts I have read, the challanger visited the other teacher at their school, instead of luring the teacher to unfamiliar ground under false pretences.
I have neither read nor seen an incident that ended in such senseless, needless, violence.
I would also like to point out, that “that’s the way things were” is not an excuse, reason or explantion that makes any of this less disgusting. I am not saying this is what the intention of posters are, but I thought I would write it out and make it very clear.
Of course historical perspective can be good to add some context, and it also interesting as a historical fact, but I still think my point stands.
That being said-
The victim in the video is quite clearly not a master of any art, however it is quite possible that he had studied an art at some time.
He was obviously lured into the dojo under false pretences.
He clearly did not was to come across as agressive, challanging, or anything of the sort.
He states “I do not wish to demonstrate on you, but around you”, he also suggests that kata would be a more appropriate teaching tool. He states he only wishes to teach. He tries to demonstrate, and then he is assaulted by the “black belt”, and repetedly makes efforts to defuse the violence.
It is very clear that the “sensei” and his black belt students intentions are malicious right from the start, and that it was not going to go down any other way than to mislead the victim, and then viciously assualt him.
I have no doubt what-so-ever in my mind, that had the vitcim managed to “beat” the agressor, that other members of the club would have become involved, ending in the same outcome if not worse.
This was disgusting.
The guy was not only clearly mentally challenged, but he was totally non aggressive towards the “black belt”, to the point where he clearly stated he didn’t want to touch or physically harm him, and then even requested that he just show them a Kata. The whole time, they had premeditated to beat the shit out of him.
Throughout the conflict, the disturbed guy clearly asked him to stop multiple times. I cringed like hell when he stomped on his head. Whatever problems that guy had are now probably ten fold, if he’s not a vegetable.
I wish I could live near these assholes. I’d put up a challenge to that “black belt” and give him a beating. Truly disgusting, not only a black mark on Martial Arts, but also another black mark on Marines.
[quote]Chushin wrote:
Karma stikes again.
Here’s a recent arrest report for one of those clowns:
http://forums.uechi-ryu.com/viewtopic.php?p=191485#191485 [/quote]
damn! the guy is still a dickhead… he’s probably been a bit angry lately because of this though.
from that thread:
"Don’t know if it has been posted, but the local news just ran this story (with the video)in Fresno CA…News station is KSEE 24 News. Hanford police state they are beginning their investigation. Hope this guy gets what is coming to him! "
nice…
Wow…ding dong…here’s your ride to federal pound you in the ass prison.
ALL ABOARD!!!
Fuckkkkk…
[quote]SeanParent wrote:
spyoptic wrote:
rasturai wrote:
“Never get stupid with a Marine” get the fuck out of here.
This really represents marines great.
yea you know what we as Marines should try to be more courteous and respectful for god fearing bisexuals like you that can’t handle a little talking shit. I guess thats the type of individual you would prefer protect your way of life. Face it you’d sleep better if it was a starved, cocky, angry motherfucker looking for a fight.
Although, you yourself have got some fucking balls saying the men who were nicknamed Devil Dogs by the German army, submitted Japan in WWII and took Fallujah don’t have the right to be cocky. You’d fit right in, talk to a recruiter.
I believe the original poster was trying to say that this dickhead wasn’t representing marines well. Which meant that he would have been giving Marines a compliment…imo
But hey on your part way to represent how stupid Marines can be…good one!
Not to mention the guy was talking shit to an unconscious retard…lets go over this again before you get your panties in a bunch and post something stupid back to me. THE GUY WAS TALKING SHIT TO AN UNCONSCIOUS RETARD.
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haha fucking sean… lemme untwist my panties…do you live near a marine corps base? it happens all the time, Marines get made fun of because of our attitude or violent nature, so a civilian will get drunk, just walk up and start shit by saying stuff like “This reallly represents Marines great, you guys are all the same…fucking jarhead, Im a black belt I can kick your ass!!”… etc etc… young male civilians hate marines - too fucking bad huh? I guess I dont blame em… .thousands of marines pouring into a city every month or so - taking girls who would otherwise belong to someone who actually lives there.
he really wasnt talking to him as much as he was being cocky in front of all his little buddies…
and so what you don’t talk to in-animate objects? I bet you talk to your dick all the time.
I’m just sayin Sean, unless you’re in the military or live near a USMC camp, you have at best a second hand opinion on the matter.
[quote]spyoptic wrote:
SeanParent wrote:
spyoptic wrote:
rasturai wrote:
“Never get stupid with a Marine” get the fuck out of here.
This really represents marines great.
yea you know what we as Marines should try to be more courteous and respectful for god fearing bisexuals like you that can’t handle a little talking shit. I guess thats the type of individual you would prefer protect your way of life. Face it you’d sleep better if it was a starved, cocky, angry motherfucker looking for a fight.
Although, you yourself have got some fucking balls saying the men who were nicknamed Devil Dogs by the German army, submitted Japan in WWII and took Fallujah don’t have the right to be cocky. You’d fit right in, talk to a recruiter.
I believe the original poster was trying to say that this dickhead wasn’t representing marines well. Which meant that he would have been giving Marines a compliment…imo
But hey on your part way to represent how stupid Marines can be…good one!
Not to mention the guy was talking shit to an unconscious retard…lets go over this again before you get your panties in a bunch and post something stupid back to me. THE GUY WAS TALKING SHIT TO AN UNCONSCIOUS RETARD.
haha fucking sean… lemme untwist my panties…do you live near a marine corps base? it happens all the time, Marines get made fun of because of our attitude or violent nature, so a civilian will get drunk, just walk up and start shit by saying stuff like “This reallly represents Marines great, you guys are all the same…fucking jarhead, Im a black belt I can kick your ass!!”… etc etc… young male civilians hate marines - too fucking bad huh? I guess I dont blame em… .thousands of marines pouring into a city every month or so - taking girls who would otherwise belong to someone who actually lives there.
he really wasnt talking to him as much as he was being cocky in front of all his little buddies…
and so what you don’t talk to in-animate objects? I bet you talk to your dick all the time.
I’m just sayin Sean, unless you’re in the military or live near a USMC camp, you have at best a second hand opinion on the matter.
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You’re really not helping your case.
McDojoism at its finest. Phoney tough, phoney skilled. I hope they all burn for what they did to that guy. The fight could have ended way before the stomping, if even started at all. At my gym, newcomers wishing to “challenge” someone have to fill out a waiver, schedule a time, and come back with full protective gear or they are laughed out of the place.
One “tough guy” came in once with the same kind of attitude, came back prepared and got knocked out by a 19 year old in less than 15 seconds. All fighters love to spar and love to spar with new people. None of the people in the vid were real fighters with skills. I hope they burn.
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
spyoptic wrote:
SeanParent wrote:
spyoptic wrote:
rasturai wrote:
“Never get stupid with a Marine” get the fuck out of here.
This really represents marines great.
yea you know what we as Marines should try to be more courteous and respectful for god fearing bisexuals like you that can’t handle a little talking shit. I guess thats the type of individual you would prefer protect your way of life. Face it you’d sleep better if it was a starved, cocky, angry motherfucker looking for a fight.
Although, you yourself have got some fucking balls saying the men who were nicknamed Devil Dogs by the German army, submitted Japan in WWII and took Fallujah don’t have the right to be cocky. You’d fit right in, talk to a recruiter.
I believe the original poster was trying to say that this dickhead wasn’t representing marines well. Which meant that he would have been giving Marines a compliment…imo
But hey on your part way to represent how stupid Marines can be…good one!
Not to mention the guy was talking shit to an unconscious retard…lets go over this again before you get your panties in a bunch and post something stupid back to me. THE GUY WAS TALKING SHIT TO AN UNCONSCIOUS RETARD.
haha fucking sean… lemme untwist my panties…do you live near a marine corps base? it happens all the time, Marines get made fun of because of our attitude or violent nature, so a civilian will get drunk, just walk up and start shit by saying stuff like “This reallly represents Marines great, you guys are all the same…fucking jarhead, Im a black belt I can kick your ass!!”… etc etc… young male civilians hate marines - too fucking bad huh? I guess I dont blame em… .thousands of marines pouring into a city every month or so - taking girls who would otherwise belong to someone who actually lives there.
he really wasnt talking to him as much as he was being cocky in front of all his little buddies…
and so what you don’t talk to in-animate objects? I bet you talk to your dick all the time.
I’m just sayin Sean, unless you’re in the military or live near a USMC camp, you have at best a second hand opinion on the matter.
You’re really not helping your case.[/quote]
Im not defending these guys, but if the description of the vid is true, then you probably would have knocked him out too… how do we even know if he was really challenged?
Did you even watch the video?
[quote]GrayCrane wrote:
adarqui wrote:
from the original video description before he took it down:
peace
That’s absolutely fucked up. And he had it tagged self defense. Based on his description, he seems to think it justified to beat the guy to death. Absolute scum.[/quote]
I typed a long response to this because I found it ubsurd ( though I havent seen the dam vid 
) then I remembered what sdi.marquez said. “once your done here, they simply wont ever truelly understand. They cant”
EDit after reading some this apears to be a racist attack o.O which is not tolerated in the corps AT ALL. That bull shit will get you booted hard core.
[quote]Steve-O-68 wrote:
Did you even watch the video? [/quote]
what made the guy getting beat up mentally challenged??
[quote]spyoptic wrote:
Steve-O-68 wrote:
Did you even watch the video?
what made the guy getting beat up mentally challenged??
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Why does it matter?
[quote]tassietaekwon wrote:
I urge people to stop using the word “retard” in relation to the victim, this can be a hurtful term. It is clear from the video that he was suffering from some form of illness, I don’t think that it is the important factor in this video.
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While I agreed with your post, for the record I am virulently against the “Anti-Retard Politically Correct Bandwagon.”
That might be for the politics forum but I simply refuse to stop using the word.
[quote]spyoptic wrote:
Steve-O-68 wrote:
Did you even watch the video?
what made the guy getting beat up mentally challenged??
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Hey guys, this guy is right.
Lots of people get their fucking red belt from Jesus. Well-balanced, socially adjusted ones especially.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
spyoptic wrote:
Steve-O-68 wrote:
Did you even watch the video?
what made the guy getting beat up mentally challenged??
Hey guys, this guy is right.
Lots of people get their fucking red belt from Jesus. Well-balanced, socially adjusted ones especially.[/quote]
Moses taught me how to surf. “Hang ten!” he told me.
