Stupidity and confidence seem to come as a package deal.
Iâm not part of the Qanon group, but I think it is important to listen to some conspiracies and weigh the evidence for yourself. We all know that MSM can hardly be trusted, so the best that can be done to actually understand what is happening is to have communal discussion. It is unfortunate that stuff like Qanon exist because the outright crazy conspiracies (like the son of JFK coming back from the dead to save the election, or flat earthers) get lumped in with the other conspiracy theories that actually have some legs (bohemian grove, stellar winds, operation northwoods).
The important part of conspiracy theorists is that they question everything⊠a mentality that ought to be adopted by more people.
From FL here. The âDonât say GAYâ perpetuation by the leftist is a prime example of stupidity and misinformation by the MSM. Its the main thing DISNEY is championing against right now. This bill doesnât say that shit anywhere in it. Yet any reference to the bill in the MSM is âDesantis Donât Say Gay Billâ. In fact FL comes under fire from the left A LOT because our beloved Gov doesnât pander to any of their shit. Most of us Floridians love living here for it. We loved being here through the pandemic and we love Desantis. If you live out of state and donât, please donât come here.
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Save me a seat homie - hoping to be there within the next 2 years!
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I know. The bill and how it is portrayed are separate things.
I am still of the opinion that the bill was unnecessary. I donât think K-3 teachers were teaching their students about sexuality outside of rare circumstances. The Florida legislators I believe wasted tax payer money solving a problem that mostly doesnât exist (did they ever even quantify how big of an issue this is?).
I donât think it was an active problem, but it prevents it from becoming one. The narrative in educational institutions is changing so harshly towards ridiculous extremes that I think the legislation - even if it does nothing right now - is good enough to serve as a preventative measure. Iâd be okay with my tax money going towards whatever this costed.
Yes and no. Itâs not prevalent by any means. Its more of a political play for certain but thats par for the course with a lot of bills.
I disagree with this sort of thing. I donât think it is good for our country if unity is desired. I am not saying the left doesnât do it too, they certainly do. I just donât agree that one side doing it makes it okay for the other. Iâd like to see our leaders have a backbone and tackle real issues, and try to unite, even if their opponent is trying to divide.
Iâve seen a lot of the âown the libsâ mentality out of DeSantis (playing to his base). That is a negative for him in my book.
Indeed, he does that a lot. He certainly is not vying for unity.
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I think the problem here is that one side is fighting for no change while the other side is fighting FOR change. If it were a tug-of-war, one side would be pulling in itâs direction and the other side would be an anchor trying not to move⊠Even if the âpullingâ side doesnât win - any progress has permanently moved the anchor that direction.
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Dude thatâs not true. I donât know what you mean by âthe leftâ when you say that, but if youâre talking about âthe average American who generally votes democratâ, thatâs absolute horse shit. Itâs stupid. Half of Americans lean left. Do you legitimately believe half of America is cool with pedophilia? And the same goes for all of the other crimes you listed. Just because you read some right wing propaganda that says that people on the left are ok with that shit, doesnât make it so.
The ONLY thing I can grant you is that there is a movement within the party to adjust how gender identity is addressed in elementary schools, but it is not particularly prominent, certainly not with the majority of American liberals.
Absolutely, 100%. I donât like that either, I almost mentioned that specifically. Itâs a fair criticism.
The only difference there would be that Americans, in general, DO have a variety of opinions on race issues, and how policy should be shaped regarding that, whereas with pedophilia, it is very clear cut that, unless youâre a pedophile yourself, you want the book thrown at them.
Eh. I personally like to keep most political conversations narrow in scope. The âwhat-aboutâ arguments just bog down conversations. This is how I approach work, and life in general. Address a specific issue, then move on to the next one separately. You get more done that way. But again, your point about âthe left thinks all conservatives are racistsâ is a very valid one. I donât believe it, I think itâs an oversimplification of things, and at the end of the day, dead wrong. But I know itâs a prominent thought among leftists.
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Agree with your whole post 
I also strive for this, but maybe I find conversation to be different in this regard. I think the what-aboutism is usually cancerous, but if weâre to address systemic problems at their root (as if these conversations really had that much impact), I think both sides of the coin need to be explored to reach the root cause. In reality, the root cause of leftists calling the right âracistsâ and the right calling the left âpedophiles (or anything like it)â is a lack of effective communication between people of different views.
If only there were some sort of institution or something intended to discuss such important topics with others.
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Youâve made some good points, but I canât say I know of anyone whoâs lumping legit news stories like the ones you mentioned in with Qanon and flat earth conspiracy theories. It takes about .0005 seconds for most people to determine that Q theories and the like are bullshit.
Unfortunately there are still a lot of people who buy it and the main reason is polarization. If youâre convinced that the âother sideâ is evil, youâre more likely to believe even the most outrageous lies about them.
Right now the majority of Republicans donât believe in the core tenants of Qanon, but enough do that itâs a significant problem. This is interesting:
Maybe even more surprising than the number of Râs who believe in Qanon is the number of Dâs who do.
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People are often in bubbles / tribes of their own type, making productive conversation more difficult. Easier to not take a commenter on the internet seriously than a friend or relative.
Iâve noticed more extreme beliefs out of people that donât have a diverse group in their tribes for example. There are people out there that wouldnât hang out with someone with differing political views. It is easy to see how strong opinions about the other side can be held with people like this.
I am talking about the left wing media, the left politicians and the leaning left republicans and any liberal who keep voting these people in office
if these ass clowns keep voting for policies that enable pedophilia and the lawyers and judges that do not enforce laws against pedophilia crimes and if anyone who keeps voting these disgusting people in office then they are just as guilty as the crime itself
anybody who supports the new supreme court judge also supports the light sentencing she gave the perverted criminals in child porn
and this goes for any conservative or right wing idiot that supports this shit too
just like DisneyâŠif you watch the movies, go to the park or buy the merchandiseâŠyou are supporting their movements
still disagree. What left wing media is saying pedophilia is ok, or âgoing easyâ on it? If youâve got some real sources, if you can show me actual left wing media that backs up your claim, Iâll absolutely read it. I make my arguments here in good faith, and Iâm always willing to change my mind when I see evidence to do so. But I have not seen what youâre saying actually coming out of âleftâ sources. To this point, all I see is far right wing sources making the accusations, without evidence.
I donât know what this means or what specific laws or policies youâre talking about. Youâre going to have to be more specific here as well to convince me. What crimes involving pedophilia have unreasonably short sentences?
As far as specific judges go⊠yes, you can find specific judges who give lighter sentences than youâd like on these sorts of crimes. You can find that for any crime though. When judges have a lot of leeway in sentencing, theyâll make mistakes, sometimes egregious ones. Attributing this to âthe leftâ, however, is unreasonable.
What actual Disney content is promoting pedophilia? I couldnât give less of a fuck what Iâve seen in zoom meetings between people working for Disney. What I care about is the actual products theyâre releasing. If we were to watch all the zoom meetings of all the big companies in the US, I can promise you, youâll find PLENTY of seriously fucked up opinions that never actually affect the market those companies participate in. Itâs just people with opinions. When the Disney product becomes problematic, I will absolutely adjust what I consume from Disney. But to this point, I havenât seen a reason to.
If only you clutched facts like you do your pearls.
Iâm a liberal, and yes, pedophilia is awful and tragic.
Iâll see myself out like usual since I dared to link to mainstream media.
You are not paying attention thenâŠcanât help the blind or the ignorant
a typical liberal responseâŠpost articles from liberal news sources
so you donât have evidence. got it. insults definitely make your point better.