Some animals do transition. I believe clown fish do (by that I mean change genders).
Mammals, not so much though.
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Yes this is not trans by the same standard as humans. Many species, especially of lower sub sets have the ability to switch genders, mostly fish and amphibians. One would even suggest hyenas supposedly as a higher order animal. I searched before making the prior statement.
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I do wonder what you mean by this?
Some traits donāt seem to die out even though in an evolutionary sense they should cease to exist. Maybe we havenāt experienced a long enough time line for that to happen?
No problem. So as far as humans go Iām sure there will always be people of all types. Gay, trans, etc etc. But I feel this will always be such a small subset of the population that we donāt even NEED to discuss it. Why should we discuss something that .3% of the population is affected by? But when kids start being indoctrinate and social engineered into this crap, it becomes .6% then 1.2%, then 2.4%. Its in OUR FACES 24/7. Why? The world canāt pander to the .3% and if it does you start normalizing this stuff and indoctrinating people that would otherwise have not have taken said path. Much along the analogy that @Andrewgen_Receptors spoke of above.
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I guess my thoughts are that we should because many of these people have been mistreated historically. I think discussing these things and acknowledging that these people exist and deserve to be treated as equals is important if we want to end that mistreatment.
I think the numbers are probably a bit higher than sub 1%. I really donāt know what they are, but 5% wouldnāt surprise me.
Maybe things have changed since I was in HS 15 years ago?
I am not sure how much social influence will change what most people are attracted to. Even if it made me the coolest cat in town, I couldnāt be attracted to dudes. I mean the reason I wanted to be cool in HS was to appear cool to the ladies. If that wasnāt part of the equation, I wouldnāt even care if I was cool or not.
I guess I donāt think attraction is a choice (for the most part), and I donāt think most people are going to stop pursuing what they are attracted to in order to get social credit. I think they try to get social credit to obtain what they are attracted to.
Alex Jones said āThe chemicals in the water are turning the frogs gay!ā
-He wasnāt really wrong tbhā¦ it wasnāt turning them gay, it was turning them from boy frogs into girl frogs.
His batting average is quite high for a total nutjob
Lil Nas X did and it worked out quite well for him
Thatās biology, especially for a social species. Any other species that are also social animals shun those that go against the grain. Itās nature. Iām not trying to be insensitive but do you know how many times I personally have been made fun of for being small? In the thousands from age 5 to about age 30 when I bulked up so much people started thinking twice. I dealt with it, I dont think I deserve special recognition, my own parade or short guy inclusions.
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I donāt want to take away from the being short insults (and other mistreatment), but there are a lot of differences with the mistreatment of short guys vs gay folks. I donāt think I really need to list them out, but things like being disowned by your family are much rarer for a short guy vs a gay guy.
Strange. Iām sure you believe all science, yet you seem to question this.
I donāt think society should have to pretend boys can be girls and girls can be boys just because they want to be. If you get picked on because you are pretending to be the opposite sex, well, maybe address the underlying mental issues that are causing you to pretend.
As a great former supervisor/coworker was fond of saying: This is a result of the deinstitutionalization of mental health in this country.
Having someone refer to you as āheā when you were born with a penis would probably seem pretty okay if the alternative was being institutionalized. It doesnāt seem great when you live in a society that believes you should be able to control everything people do if you can convince enough people to vote your way.
sure, I can address this. there are many, many species in the animal kingdom where same sex romantic relationships exist. Honestly, this is a really easy thing to google, thereās a TON of evidence of it. Iāll share the wikipedia link as a jump-off point, plenty of links to sift through on there if you decide to go down that rabbit hole. List of animals displaying homosexual behavior - Wikipedia .
Now, ālimited in spectrumā is a bit ambiguous, so Iām not exactly sure what you mean by that. If youāre saying something along the lines of āyes there are homosexual relationships in animals, but percentages are far lower than in humansāā¦ I would say, maybe? I donāt know that to be the case, it may be, it may not be. Iād assume itās different across different species.
So Iām curious how you come to any particular conclusion about what specific percentage is ok and what isnāt. Or what the percentage āshouldā be.
And as Iāve already stated, I believe the āindoctrinationā to be faaaaar less prevalent than you seem to. Iāve also stated that Iām similarly against it, as I am with almost every form of indoctrination of youth.
Last thought, re: āno trans in the animal kingdomā. I think the most obvious answer for this is that we are SO different from every other animal on the planet that itās just not a thing that can really apply. Animals donāt wear clothes or makeup. They arenāt capable of performing surgery. Etc. So I donāt really get the comparison. Although, you CAN find examples of animals in the animal kingdom that deviate from the traditional gender roles in their species. Most often itās a result of unusual, or āoppositeā hormone ratios in said animals.
EDIT: meant to also say, I also appreciate the open and honest discourse here. I very much prefer to keep it civil.
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Now youāre speculating my experiences va third parties. I think I would shock you with the bullying I experienced but thatās for another topic. Iām merely stating that people from all walks of life face challenges but that doesnāt make them special.
Trust me I researched before making the comments and openly admitted it there. I meant to say that is limited and not good for the species. Any species. Question do you honestly think a non procreating sexual position is good for any species? What if I make you a list of endangered species and then they all decided to become gay?
We are straying from the point. I also want to clarify that I donāt care what any individual choose to be. I feel that, especially in USA, you have a right to be whoever you want as long as it doesnāt infringe on others rights. Just donāt push your shit/agenda on others is all I ask. Thatās why I DONT understand Disneys stance on the Parental Rights Bill. It basically lets parents decide for their children the exposure to a sensitive topic such as sexuality. Until they are 18 itās the parents right and then it their individual right to choose.
Sorry for the spelling / grammar Iām now on an iPad that doesnāt sync well with this forum. Anybody else have this issue?
Didnāt question the science. I questioned his logic.
There are many things that prevent people from reproducing and some people are still born without the ability to reproduce.
By his logic these people shouldnāt exist anymore and that clearly isnāt true.
Did you try telling them you identified as 6ā2"?
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No, I said they should exist in small subsets and quantities more so as an anomaly.
What I meant was what I just clarified above. More on the article you posted. If you read the article you posted you would see they are referring to homosexual characteristics in animals and not true homosexuality. If you researched further you would see how exceedingly rare true homosexuality is in evolved species. Most will still procreate with opposite sex despite exhibiting homosexual characteristics.
What is the percentage of gay people and at what percentage is that no longer a small subset?
This first question was already answered above by @twojarslave in his article. The second is opinionated in nature so their is no strict answer unless you are asking my opinion on it. In my opinion the lower single digits would qualify. Now since I have kindly answered your question, would you return the favor and answer mine?
Of course. They can still be productive by other means to the society at large. Youāre only value to the species is your ability to reproduce?
Second question too please.
I never said, that Iām making a point that at its core itās not a valuable trait. This is bordering on fact over opinion via our basic evolutionary concept taught by modern science.
Also, Iāve already stated I DONT CARE what an individual chooses. Im merely stating stop showing me how special you are and forcing your identity politics on me or my children.
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