Thanks for the information, squattin. I would love to get my hands on a copy but I can’t seem to find a vendor anywhere. Do you have any suggestions on where to look? Thanks.
[quote]cormac wrote:
Thanks for the information, squattin. I would love to get my hands on a copy but I can’t seem to find a vendor anywhere. Do you have any suggestions on where to look? Thanks.[/quote]
I am pretty sure it is out of stock everywhere. I thought I heard there was going to be a second edition, or maybe a second round of printing, but I may be wrong on that. I could have swore I read that on Verk’s forum, but I can’t find it now…
yeah ultimate athlete concepts carries it but as stated it is out of stock 
[quote]shadyniner wrote:
cormac wrote:
Thanks for the information, squattin. I would love to get my hands on a copy but I can’t seem to find a vendor anywhere. Do you have any suggestions on where to look? Thanks.
I am pretty sure it is out of stock everywhere. I thought I heard there was going to be a second edition, or maybe a second round of printing, but I may be wrong on that. I could have swore I read that on Verk’s forum, but I can’t find it now…
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There will be a second edition. Its planned release is the end of January.
By the way - several contributors have made this topic VERY interesting. I wont name names but many thanks. Topics that hold interest and promote debate are few and far between of late.
1 question to deep squatter - i may have missed a paragraph somewhere but you stated: -
[quote]squattin600 wrote:
Regarding the plyo before an eccentric. not many people have expermented with this idea yet. By the extremely negative reaction here I dont belive that majority of people on T-Nation had heard of such a thing. So dont expect a lot of research.
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Are you talking about complex pairs here (resistance followed by matched plyometric)?
Ok, I just read through both threads and I’m compelled to say this forum is full of obstinate meatheads. I don’t know who is correct in this argument because there’s been so many flames and ad hominem attacks that there has been very little discussion over the validity of the initial argument! RJ came on here with a claim, that he backed up with a study, and I have seen maybe one person try to refute this with another scientific source. You guys keep attacking RJ’s credentials, without taking the time to realize that he’s not pulling this claim out of his ass.
I think that the question of MU recruitment during an eccentric contraction is very interesting, considering that if it does selectively recruit Type II muscle fibers, that opens all sorts of doors for both performance and hypertrophy training. So instead of making personal attacks maybe we can get down to the bottom of this, which would be in the interest of everyone on this forum.
[quote]beau_zo_brehm wrote:
Ok, I just read through both threads and I’m compelled to say this forum is full of obstinate meatheads. I don’t know who is correct in this argument because there’s been so many flames and ad hominem attacks that there has been very little discussion over the validity of the initial argument! RJ came on here with a claim, that he backed up with a study, and I have seen maybe one person try to refute this with another scientific source. You guys keep attacking RJ’s credentials, without taking the time to realize that he’s not pulling this claim out of his ass.
I think that the question of MU recruitment during an eccentric contraction is very interesting, considering that if it does selectively recruit Type II muscle fibers, that opens all sorts of doors for both performance and hypertrophy training. So instead of making personal attacks maybe we can get down to the bottom of this, which would be in the interest of everyone on this forum.[/quote]
What in the hell is an “eccentric contraction” there Bill Nye? The eccentric phase is the opposite of a contraction (concentric).
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
beau_zo_brehm wrote:
Ok, I just read through both threads and I’m compelled to say this forum is full of obstinate meatheads. I don’t know who is correct in this argument because there’s been so many flames and ad hominem attacks that there has been very little discussion over the validity of the initial argument! RJ came on here with a claim, that he backed up with a study, and I have seen maybe one person try to refute this with another scientific source. You guys keep attacking RJ’s credentials, without taking the time to realize that he’s not pulling this claim out of his ass.
I think that the question of MU recruitment during an eccentric contraction is very interesting, considering that if it does selectively recruit Type II muscle fibers, that opens all sorts of doors for both performance and hypertrophy training. So instead of making personal attacks maybe we can get down to the bottom of this, which would be in the interest of everyone on this forum.
What in the hell is an “eccentric contraction” there Bill Nye? The eccentric phase is the opposite of a contraction (concentric).[/quote]
don’t get smart with somebody if you’re not
“1. An Eccentric muscle contraction occurs when your muscle contracts and lengthens at the same time. An example of an eccentric muscle contraction is lowering yourself from a chin-up position. The bicep (upper arm) muscle contracts and lengthens as you lower yourself from the chin-up bar.”
[quote]gi2eg wrote:
don’t get smart with somebody if you’re not
“1. An Eccentric muscle contraction occurs when your muscle contracts and lengthens at the same time. An example of an eccentric muscle contraction is lowering yourself from a chin-up position. The bicep (upper arm) muscle contracts and lengthens as you lower yourself from the chin-up bar.”[/quote]
Point taken. Seemed like a contradictory term.
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
What in the hell is an “eccentric contraction” there Bill Nye? The eccentric phase is the opposite of a contraction (concentric).[/quote]
A little nit picky there. Kinda like the attitude that beau was complaining about in his post. You knew what he meant.
Since fibers are contracted during the eccentric portion of the lift it technically there is a contraction. Of course you could argue eccentric action describes whats happening better than contraction or phase. My muscles have never “phased”. They do perform actions though.
Of course there is the even more accurate inno-sport descriptions like pliometric which literally means an increase in measure (length) while eccentric doesnt literally mean anything that has to deal with lengthening.
Eccentric: Departing from a recognized, conventional, or established norm or pattern.
Concentric: Having a common center
pliometric: an increase in measure
miometric: a decrease in measure.
Far more accurate than accepted norms
in the end beau has a great point. RJ just wanted an intelligent scientific discussion which he supported with research. Instead half the people just came up with “You suck” You are too skinny, etc…