Weighted dips.
[quote]kinein wrote:
Weighted dips. [/quote]
Bingo. Dips and its cousin decline press are the most powerful full range of motion presses for most people.
You need to raise the intensity.
[quote]juanjromero wrote:
saps wrote:
juan remember soreness does not always equal muscle growth
No, it just means challenge. I think that in arms I am in a comfort zone and I am trying to push me out of there. want my arms growing at the same pace than the rest of my body. Wich is sore from time to time.[/quote]
No. Soreness or pump doesn’t always equal muscle growth. Stop worrying about getting sore or pumped and just focus on getting bigger. That’s what you need the most.
If you still want that tricep pump you’ve been looking for, do a pre-fatigue superset. Do French presses (around 12-20 reps) then without rest, go to dips. If you don’t get a pump with that, I don’t know what will.
Also note that dips also work the shoulders and chest. If those two are weak, they’ll probably reach failure before your triceps get challanged.
[quote]undeadlift wrote:
juanjromero wrote:
saps wrote:
juan remember soreness does not always equal muscle growth
No, it just means challenge. I think that in arms I am in a comfort zone and I am trying to push me out of there. want my arms growing at the same pace than the rest of my body. Wich is sore from time to time.
No. Soreness or pump doesn’t always equal muscle growth. Stop worrying about getting sore or pumped and just focus on getting bigger. That’s what you need the most.
If you still want that tricep pump you’ve been looking for, do a pre-fatigue superset. Do French presses (around 12-20 reps) then without rest, go to dips. If you don’t get a pump with that, I don’t know what will.
Also note that dips also work the shoulders and chest. If those two are weak, they’ll probably reach failure before your triceps get challanged.[/quote]
I am not looking for pump in any way, but I do believe that when a muscle is worked hard enough, there is a feeling on it, but it is blown by the dips made at the end. I insist: I don’t want a pump, I want to feel the muscle tired, unmercifuly tired. Just like chest, to feel it sayin please don’t do this to me anymore, that feeling is cleared when I do dips ON THE END. Muscle looses some of tone.
Maybe is just overtraining, in some place I read that when glycogen depletes, muscle shrink, it is just a curiosity question, by no mean I want something from the answer, besides know why does this happen, i am not worried I AM CURIOUS. and please, don’t tell me again about pump, 15 minutes of any cable excercise give you that. I am not that kind of trainer, i AM a bodybuilder [a tiny one must add], i do each excercise to build something not just for people stears me or fool my self with just a pump. I want to shape my arm, not just pump.
I do feel hard the dips when made at the beggining. I do change my workout each tird week, my computer arranges for me the weight and sequence, so, when dips fall at the end I feel like not having trained at all. I do fail to make reps, but THE FEELING on the muscle is like not trained, maybe is just nervous colapsed, who knows… that is my question. WHY?
DOMS?
Just a thought.
[quote]juanjromero wrote:
undeadlift wrote:
juanjromero wrote:
saps wrote:
juan remember soreness does not always equal muscle growth
No, it just means challenge. I think that in arms I am in a comfort zone and I am trying to push me out of there. want my arms growing at the same pace than the rest of my body. Wich is sore from time to time.
No. Soreness or pump doesn’t always equal muscle growth. Stop worrying about getting sore or pumped and just focus on getting bigger. That’s what you need the most.
If you still want that tricep pump you’ve been looking for, do a pre-fatigue superset. Do French presses (around 12-20 reps) then without rest, go to dips. If you don’t get a pump with that, I don’t know what will.
Also note that dips also work the shoulders and chest. If those two are weak, they’ll probably reach failure before your triceps get challanged.
I am not looking for pump in any way, but I do believe that when a muscle is worked hard enough, there is a feeling on it, but it is blown by the dips made at the end. I insist: I don’t want a pump, I want to feel the muscle tired, unmercifuly tired. Just like chest, to feel it sayin please don’t do this to me anymore, that feeling is cleared when I do dips ON THE END. Muscle looses some of tone.
Maybe is just overtraining, in some place I read that when glycogen depletes, muscle shrink, it is just a curiosity question, by no mean I want something from the answer, besides know why does this happen, i am not worried I AM CURIOUS. and please, don’t tell me again about pump, 15 minutes of any cable excercise give you that. I am not that kind of trainer, i AM a bodybuilder [a tiny one must add], i do each excercise to build something not just for people stears me or fool my self with just a pump. I want to shape my arm, not just pump.
I do feel hard the dips when made at the beggining. I do change my workout each tird week, my computer arranges for me the weight and sequence, so, when dips fall at the end I feel like not having trained at all. I do fail to make reps, but THE FEELING on the muscle is like not trained, maybe is just nervous colapsed, who knows… that is my question. WHY?
[/quote]
If you don’t feel that dips hit your triceps all that well (and you are using them to hit your triceps) why continue doing them? Dips are a great exercise if they work for you, but there is no law that you must incorporate them into your triceps routine.
Try adding weight to your dips like people have suggested. If you still feel that they don’t work well for your body, then just stop doing them. There are plenty of other good triceps building exercises to replace them with if need be.
i sorta know what you mean. FOr me its that I exhausted my other muscles so much and my joints are so used to the pounding towards the end that doing dips wiht BW feels like im doing nothing. My muscles are exhausted and I cant do much…but i just dont feel it. its like my body is numb cuz 1)im tired and 2) my muscles were just used to heavier pounding so this feels like “nothing”
[quote]GettingBigNow wrote:
i sorta know what you mean. FOr me its that I exhausted my other muscles so much and my joints are so used to the pounding towards the end that doing dips wiht BW feels like im doing nothing. My muscles are exhausted and I cant do much…but i just dont feel it. its like my body is numb cuz 1)im tired and 2) my muscles were just used to heavier pounding so this feels like “nothing”[/quote]
Yes, now the question is WHY?
Please don’t post anymore,
- I will do dips weighted.
- I will not ask WHY again, just HOWs.
- I will not use the word pump on further questions.
Thanks for your answers to all.
are your shoulders doing the movement for you?
When doing dips for the triceps, use narrow parallel bars, keep the body upright in a straight line and elbows close to sides (touching).
When doing dips for the chest, use a wider V-bar and flare the elbows out, keep your chin on your chest and keep the body in a half-moon/crescent shape. Your feet/legs should be elevated.
Try it, you will feel the first one more in your tris and 2nd one in your chest. I do both every week.
[quote]greekdawg wrote:
When doing dips for the triceps, use narrow parallel bars, keep the body upright in a straight line and elbows close to sides (touching).
When doing dips for the chest, use a wider V-bar and flare the elbows out, keep your chin on your chest and keep the body in a half-moon/crescent shape. Your feet/legs should be elevated.
Try it, you will feel the first one more in your tris and 2nd one in your chest. I do both every week.[/quote]
Thanks, this is a good response. I will just add the weight to increase resistence.
[quote]juanjromero wrote:
I am not looking for pump in any way, but I do believe that when a muscle is worked hard enough, there is a feeling on it, but it is blown by the dips made at the end. I insist: I don’t want a pump, I want to feel the muscle tired, unmercifuly tired. Just like chest, to feel it sayin please don’t do this to me anymore, that feeling is cleared when I do dips ON THE END. Muscle looses some of tone.[/quote]
My bad. Let me rephrase.
If you want to make your triceps feel oh so tired, do 12-20 reps of French presses, and without rest, go straight to dipping. If that doesn’t make your triceps feel tired, I don’t know what will. Do around 5 sets of that.
[quote]undeadlift wrote:
juanjromero wrote:
I am not looking for pump in any way, but I do believe that when a muscle is worked hard enough, there is a feeling on it, but it is blown by the dips made at the end. I insist: I don’t want a pump, I want to feel the muscle tired, unmercifuly tired. Just like chest, to feel it sayin please don’t do this to me anymore, that feeling is cleared when I do dips ON THE END. Muscle looses some of tone.
My bad. Let me rephrase.
If you want to make your triceps feel oh so tired, do 12-20 reps of French presses, and without rest, go straight to dipping. If that doesn’t make your triceps feel tired, I don’t know what will. Do around 5 sets of that.[/quote]
LOL, look, someone (administrator i gues) changed the thread subject, I do feel my tris tired with other excercises.
The original questions is: Why do dips flushes the blood from my arms when done at the end of the workout?
[quote]juanjromero wrote:
undeadlift wrote:
juanjromero wrote:
I am not looking for pump in any way, but I do believe that when a muscle is worked hard enough, there is a feeling on it, but it is blown by the dips made at the end. I insist: I don’t want a pump, I want to feel the muscle tired, unmercifuly tired. Just like chest, to feel it sayin please don’t do this to me anymore, that feeling is cleared when I do dips ON THE END. Muscle looses some of tone.
My bad. Let me rephrase.
If you want to make your triceps feel oh so tired, do 12-20 reps of French presses, and without rest, go straight to dipping. If that doesn’t make your triceps feel tired, I don’t know what will. Do around 5 sets of that.
LOL, look, someone (administrator i gues) changed the thread subject, I do feel my tris tired with other excercises.
The original questions is: Why do dips flushes the blood from my arms when done at the end of the workout?[/quote]
One possible answer is that, as I stated in my earlier response, you are not a tricep dominant dipper. Your chest and shoulders may take the brunt of the stress, thus flushing the blood away from your triceps and into your chest and shoulders.
If you don’t feel dips in your triceps, then don’t do dips for your triceps.
What does your tricep workout generally look like?
[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
juanjromero wrote:
undeadlift wrote:
juanjromero wrote:
I am not looking for pump in any way, but I do believe that when a muscle is worked hard enough, there is a feeling on it, but it is blown by the dips made at the end. I insist: I don’t want a pump, I want to feel the muscle tired, unmercifuly tired.
Just like chest, to feel it sayin please don’t do this to me anymore, that feeling is cleared when I do dips ON THE END. Muscle looses some of tone.
My bad. Let me rephrase.
If you want to make your triceps feel oh so tired, do 12-20 reps of French presses, and without rest, go straight to dipping. If that doesn’t make your triceps feel tired, I don’t know what will. Do around 5 sets of that.
LOL, look, someone (administrator i gues) changed the thread subject, I do feel my tris tired with other excercises.
The original questions is: Why do dips flushes the blood from my arms when done at the end of the workout?
One possible answer is that, as I stated in my earlier response, you are not a tricep dominant dipper. Your chest and shoulders may take the brunt of the stress, thus flushing the blood away from your triceps and into your chest and shoulders.
If you don’t feel dips in your triceps, then don’t do dips for your triceps.
What does your tricep workout generally look like?[/quote]
Actually I can move the tricep heads long/lateral head at will. I have control over how I do the excercise. I can move emphasys to shoulders/triceps/chest at will. the muscle is in nervous matter trained.
I am not tied to a sequence longer than 3-5 weeks, but I use the following, mostly:
Close grip bench
Skull crusher
DB tricep extension
one arm tricep extension
db pullover
bar pullover
cable pull down supinated/pronated
overhead cable extension supinated/pronated
dips with elbows open/closed
I plan the for 3 weeks ahead the sequence, I always do one of each kind:
DB - Bar - Cable sequence. Next 3 week I switch Bar with DB
Bar - DB - Cable. To me cable is to squeeze the last drops and focus on keeping the flexion at the very top of extension/contraction.
I combine tricep 2 weeks with chest and 2 weeks in superset with biceps. I shuffle everything and that gave me 6 weeks of workouts.
Beliveme, I do feel dips and I do feel tricep work. but if I do dips (I was showing to a new guy how to do it). I feel my arms flushed. No matter what I do, the arm feels flacid, if you touch it it is hard, but I feel it without inside pressure.
Weird, isn’t it?
[quote]juanjromero wrote:
Sentoguy wrote:
juanjromero wrote:
undeadlift wrote:
juanjromero wrote:
I am not looking for pump in any way, but I do believe that when a muscle is worked hard enough, there is a feeling on it, but it is blown by the dips made at the end. I insist: I don’t want a pump, I want to feel the muscle tired, unmercifuly tired.
Just like chest, to feel it sayin please don’t do this to me anymore, that feeling is cleared when I do dips ON THE END. Muscle looses some of tone.
My bad. Let me rephrase.
If you want to make your triceps feel oh so tired, do 12-20 reps of French presses, and without rest, go straight to dipping. If that doesn’t make your triceps feel tired, I don’t know what will. Do around 5 sets of that.
LOL, look, someone (administrator i gues) changed the thread subject, I do feel my tris tired with other excercises.
The original questions is: Why do dips flushes the blood from my arms when done at the end of the workout?
One possible answer is that, as I stated in my earlier response, you are not a tricep dominant dipper. Your chest and shoulders may take the brunt of the stress, thus flushing the blood away from your triceps and into your chest and shoulders.
If you don’t feel dips in your triceps, then don’t do dips for your triceps.
What does your tricep workout generally look like?
Actually I can move the tricep heads long/lateral head at will. I have control over how I do the excercise. I can move emphasys to shoulders/triceps/chest at will. the muscle is in nervous matter trained.
I am not tied to a sequence longer than 3-5 weeks, but I use the following, mostly:
Close grip bench
Skull crusher
DB tricep extension
one arm tricep extension
db pullover
bar pullover
cable pull down supinated/pronated
overhead cable extension supinated/pronated
dips with elbows open/closed
I plan the for 3 weeks ahead the sequence, I always do one of each kind:
DB - Bar - Cable sequence. Next 3 week I switch Bar with DB
Bar - DB - Cable. To me cable is to squeeze the last drops and focus on keeping the flexion at the very top of extension/contraction.
I combine tricep 2 weeks with chest and 2 weeks in superset with biceps. I shuffle everything and that gave me 6 weeks of workouts.
Beliveme, I do feel dips and I do feel tricep work. but if I do dips (I was showing to a new guy how to do it). I feel my arms flushed. No matter what I do, the arm feels flacid, if you touch it it is hard, but I feel it without inside pressure.
Weird, isn’t it?
[/quote]
Then just don’t do dips for your triceps. Like I said before, there is no rule that you have to incorporate any movement into your routine.
Part of bodybuilding is finding out what works well for YOU. Dips may work well for other people, but not work well for you. No exercise is irreplaceable and different people will respond better to different exercises.
Here are a couple other triceps builders that you can try incorporating to see if they work better for you:
-Reverse grip Smith bench press DC Chest/Shoulder/Tri Workout w/Jason Wojo - YouTube (third exercise)
-Floor press - YouTube
-Rack Lockouts Rack Lockouts 365x6 - YouTube
-Tate Press Tate press - YouTube
-JM Press - YouTube
[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
juanjromero wrote:
Sentoguy wrote:
juanjromero wrote:
undeadlift wrote:
juanjromero wrote:
I am not looking for pump in any way, but I do believe that when a muscle is worked hard enough, there is a feeling on it, but it is blown by the dips made at the end. I insist: I don’t want a pump, I want to feel the muscle tired, unmercifuly tired.
Just like chest, to feel it sayin please don’t do this to me anymore, that feeling is cleared when I do dips ON THE END. Muscle looses some of tone.
My bad. Let me rephrase.
If you want to make your triceps feel oh so tired, do 12-20 reps of French presses, and without rest, go straight to dipping. If that doesn’t make your triceps feel tired, I don’t know what will. Do around 5 sets of that.
LOL, look, someone (administrator i gues) changed the thread subject, I do feel my tris tired with other excercises.
The original questions is: Why do dips flushes the blood from my arms when done at the end of the workout?
One possible answer is that, as I stated in my earlier response, you are not a tricep dominant dipper. Your chest and shoulders may take the brunt of the stress, thus flushing the blood away from your triceps and into your chest and shoulders.
If you don’t feel dips in your triceps, then don’t do dips for your triceps.
What does your tricep workout generally look like?
Actually I can move the tricep heads long/lateral head at will. I have control over how I do the excercise. I can move emphasys to shoulders/triceps/chest at will. the muscle is in nervous matter trained.
I am not tied to a sequence longer than 3-5 weeks, but I use the following, mostly:
Close grip bench
Skull crusher
DB tricep extension
one arm tricep extension
db pullover
bar pullover
cable pull down supinated/pronated
overhead cable extension supinated/pronated
dips with elbows open/closed
I plan the for 3 weeks ahead the sequence, I always do one of each kind:
DB - Bar - Cable sequence. Next 3 week I switch Bar with DB
Bar - DB - Cable. To me cable is to squeeze the last drops and focus on keeping the flexion at the very top of extension/contraction.
I combine tricep 2 weeks with chest and 2 weeks in superset with biceps. I shuffle everything and that gave me 6 weeks of workouts.
Beliveme, I do feel dips and I do feel tricep work. but if I do dips (I was showing to a new guy how to do it). I feel my arms flushed. No matter what I do, the arm feels flacid, if you touch it it is hard, but I feel it without inside pressure.
Weird, isn’t it?
Then just don’t do dips for your triceps. Like I said before, there is no rule that you have to incorporate any movement into your routine.
Part of bodybuilding is finding out what works well for YOU. Dips may work well for other people, but not work well for you. No exercise is irreplaceable and different people will respond better to different exercises.
Here are a couple other triceps builders that you can try incorporating to see if they work better for you:
-Reverse grip Smith bench press DC Chest/Shoulder/Tri Workout w/Jason Wojo - YouTube (third exercise)
-Floor press - YouTube
-Rack Lockouts Rack Lockouts 365x6 - YouTube
-Tate Press Tate press - YouTube
-JM Press - YouTube
nice, I will try it.
[quote]juanjromero wrote:
I am not tied to a sequence longer than 3-5 weeks, but I use the following, mostly:
Close grip bench
Skull crusher
DB tricep extension
one arm tricep extension
db pullover
bar pullover
cable pull down supinated/pronated
overhead cable extension supinated/pronated
dips with elbows open/closed
Beliveme, I do feel dips and I do feel tricep work. but if I do dips (I was showing to a new guy how to do it). I feel my arms flushed. No matter what I do, the arm feels flacid, if you touch it it is hard, but I feel it without inside pressure.
Weird, isn’t it?
[/quote]
A few comments:
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That is a lot of volume for your triceps. Are you getting stronger doing it? If not, cut way back, try doing workouts with only 3 different exercises for triceps, 1-3 hard sets for each one.
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Why are you so obsessed with how your arms feel while you lift? If you are getting stronger and/or bigger lifting like that, continue doing it like that. If not, make changes. Simple as that. Judging an exercise by the pressure you feel in your arms is a bad idea.
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What does the rest of your routine look like?
[quote]hungry4more wrote:
juanjromero wrote:
I am not tied to a sequence longer than 3-5 weeks, but I use the following, mostly:
Close grip bench
Skull crusher
DB tricep extension
one arm tricep extension
db pullover
bar pullover
cable pull down supinated/pronated
overhead cable extension supinated/pronated
dips with elbows open/closed
Beliveme, I do feel dips and I do feel tricep work. but if I do dips (I was showing to a new guy how to do it). I feel my arms flushed. No matter what I do, the arm feels flacid, if you touch it it is hard, but I feel it without inside pressure.
Weird, isn’t it?
A few comments:
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That is a lot of volume for your triceps. Are you getting stronger doing it? If not, cut way back, try doing workouts with only 3 different exercises for triceps, 1-3 hard sets for each one.
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Why are you so obsessed with how your arms feel while you lift? If you are getting stronger and/or bigger lifting like that, continue doing it like that. If not, make changes. Simple as that. Judging an exercise by the pressure you feel in your arms is a bad idea.
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What does the rest of your routine look like?[/quote]
I don’t do all of that at once, it is just the list from wich I pick my routine. Excercises I know work for me.
I am not obsessed, I just want to know why. Believe at this very moment I don’t care anymore. I am not judging the excercise for that. It is just a kisilogical question: why?
I have to recognize that we all know a lot on how, but the whys are lacking. Many of the comments is new information, but none answered the original question of why dips at the end of my workout feels like cool down. Maybe it happend just to me and there is no common answer to that.