Dig Through the Ditches

Training
341

[quote]mom-in-MD wrote:

[quote]UpScale wrote:

[quote]mom-in-MD wrote:
Full baby Mode…lol, I like that.
teehee

Today is the first day I feel somewhat decent. I’ll take one more day off though to enjoy the quiet house. And hubby has a flight and won’t be back til kids are in bed…so these three hours are all I have for peace time.

I’m also going to use today to EEEEEAT!!!
I want to experiment with loading up on cals the day BEFORE the gym. I was using my gym days as higher calories days but realized it may work better to have that food energy stored to get me through my training instead? I need all the ‘energy,’ I can get since I can’t/won’t do energy drinks anymore.[/quote]

I do this now, Germanone suggested it, and he seems to know my body better than I do lol
So because its an off day or just bunny day Ill not load all day, but do have a hearty amount with dinner (mainly leg day) it has made a huge difference in my “to struggle a little or a lot” training. I say try it out!

Glad your feeling a bit better.
[/quote]

Awesome.
And how many training days are you up to now?? I have 3-4. Usually 4. So my plan is to eat for what I am training for the next day. If it’s arms/abs for example, I won’t need that much. So in a sense, I am calorie cycling. Something I never bothered with before(counting cals/macros) but I think it will be a good shake up.
Out of curiosity,I’ve always wondered; how did G become your coach? (if you don’t mind sharing that is!)
I’m going to keep track of foods here again so I can ‘see,’ how I am doing and maybe get some pointers. And I just like sharing. :slight_smile:
[/quote]

4 training days, then i throw in some trail rides, Ill go to spin class when I cant bike outside anymore.I think Im going to be changing again though, need more leg days, so maybe a shorter leg day with less volume.(Unlike your beauties my legs are my struggle).

Yea I dont load up carbs the day before arms/abs, just legs mainly, but Im not cutting way back on carbs anyway I really love/need them. I do take out preservatives and eat whole food with a shake post wo and makes a humongous difference. Ive been a little stricter again just to see what ive got going on …

The short version, I know G from a previous state I lived. Not that your asking but he looks way taller in his vids/pics and way greyer.(not meant as insult) I was not training back then, if I was Im sure Id be competing in one thing or another till this day.

EDIT : oh and I stand now and then but the hills i try to sit to hammer the quads more, not glutes.

342

One more post, one more post!!

Quickly, glad you’re feeling better! :slight_smile:

And yes, you know I love my carb loading/warrior diet and highly recommend. I’d be interested to see how you do with it, especially if you still plan on eating lower carbs and just taking in higher cals. I definitely don’t think eating this way is for everyone, especially if you’re not a fan of eating big at night and stuff…but I love it!

Now that I think about it, could be an interesting experiment if you incorporate it with some IFing, since you’re pretty good at not being hungry during the day. You know, one of the reasons the warrior diet is so appealing is b/c it supposedly helps keep energy up during the day while fasting…(of course coffee aids in that!)

Good luck! i’m following along! nods <— stole that from Kristoph!

343

[quote]mom-in-MD wrote:
Full baby Mode…lol, I like that.
teehee

Today is the first day I feel somewhat decent. I’ll take one more day off though to enjoy the quiet house. And hubby has a flight and won’t be back til kids are in bed…so these three hours are all I have for peace time.

I’m also going to use today to EEEEEAT!!!
I want to experiment with loading up on cals the day BEFORE the gym. I was using my gym days as higher calories days but realized it may work better to have that food energy stored to get me through my training instead? I need all the ‘energy,’ I can get since I can’t/won’t do energy drinks anymore.[/quote]

I’m planning on doing the loading up the day before too! Seems to make sense to me…interested to see how it works out for you!

344

Mims keep track of your foods in fitday or somewhere if possible. If this works well for you I am going to demand DETAILS!

345

Thanks for the support!!

I keep track of stuffs on fitday, yep. Actually while we’re talking about food/cals I made some decent protein pancakes. But I’m convinced my PP SUUUUCKS for cooking with. And actually doesn’t even taste that great. Very disappointed because I heard lots of good things.
I’m sorry for straying Metabolic Drive!!

They work out to be 115cals each…7C/6F/10P
Each pancake is pretty substantial in size. Very good with cinnamon and sweetener of your choice sprinkled on top(I’m a stevia person) And of course syrup(sugar free as well)

UP- thanks for sharing!! How long have you been experimenting with this approach??

Maschy- thats cool your still Warrior’ing it. I’m afraid with that approach PLUS IF’ing I wouldn’t get my cals in. For me. Maybe if I was single, no kids?? Do you keep track of cals?? It’s a new thing I’m trying, lol!!
Maybe once I get a handle on food loading, keeping track of cals and seeing how that works, I can experiment more with a Warrior style way of eating. You know I’ve always been interested. Unless I throw out some macro/cals and you can give me a sample day?? :slight_smile: <3

Cho- it makes sense to me toooo!! It kinda goes against what I’ve learned and have put into practice for myself but I’m ready for a change. I guess if you trained everyday, you’d get to eat nom nom food everyday?? But still probably cycle cals.

Hallie- you know I got you gurl!! :smiley:

346

word Betty Beautiful–i’m all about the not eating before training. I’ve always done the day/night before eating then cooking it in my belly while i sleep for a good morning or whenever to go lift. you feel energized versus sludgey and full.

It can work too for cutting, long as you get a deficit i think it doesn’t really matter when you eat–for me at least. i know its heresy but i personally have cut successively in the past doing it this way.

I’m with you on the energy drinks to! ha! after working graveyard for years i could blaze thru them thinking I had to rely on them for energy but its amazing how quickly your body gets used them and become placebo… now they don’t offer any energy to me at all! Try maybe weening it to plain diet sodas ( i recommend diet mtn dew!) and see how its not that big of a crutch at all!! But can you have coffee?

But then again i don’t have thyroid stuff…so I could be steering you wrong:{

347

Yeah, I tend to do that too. Well you know I train fasted - I have a slow emptying stomach so if I eat (or even drink a shake) even three hours prior to training, it’ll try to make a reappearance. So I make sure I have a good meal the day before.

Regarding IFing, I don’t think it’s a good thing for the thyroid challenged. When I tried it (one meal a day, after work) I felt cold a lot and got fat. Not cool. I can skip breakfast quite happily but not eating until the evening just doesn’t cut it for me.

348

I logged what I plan on eating the rest of the day…I need help eating, lol.

Cals- 1430
Protein- 146.8
Net Carbs- 72
Fat- 42

My aim was for 1800 today. 150P/80C/50F
Maybe my cals are low because most of my ‘carbs,’ are from veggies???

Here’s my meals-

This morning I had

2 protein pancakes
13 almonds

Next up:
sweet n sour cabbage soup w/shrimp
1 cup strawberries

Dinner- Chicken w/greek yogurt
(made with olive oil and lemon as well)
Asparagus
Kale chips
Almonds

I could have some protein pancakes with my next meal to boost cals.

349

Hmm…I get all my carbs from fruit and veg too…

I can tell right off the bat though, I eat at least 2 lbs of olive oil a day and 2 oz of cheese. Which is another 450 cals right there. I don’t think you do dairy though…so yeah, i’d say get those cals in where you can, mama! For me the calorie source doesn’t matter so much, just that I get them in there.

DAMN MiMs! I wish I had problems NOT EATING ENOUGH! I’m jelly!

And yeah, Cal might be right re: the IFing and the thyroid challenged. Forgot about that.

350

Brutiful!!! Thanks for chimin in.
I’m glad I said something about it. I do fine with coffee as far as I can tell. I could probably get by without, but it’s such a habit. But like any other habit, it can be broken if need be. Not a fan of diet soda. I used to be really really bad with it, lol

And I used to be baaaad with pills when I was younger. Back when they had good stuff in em. I didn’t have any issues, but felt like I ‘NEEDED,’ them to get through the day :confused: I’m a recovering pill popper sad to say. Probably can’t take em anymore because I have addictive tendencies with them. I guess I’m going straight edge here, HA!

That’s so cool that everyone was thinking like me with the eating!!!
Or maybe I’m just behind, haha.

Cal! I train fasted mostly. If I’m absolutely famished I’ll have some yogurt or cottage cheese though. But I’m used to it and actually prefer it. When I get back from training I’ll have yogurt or a protein shake, wait til hungry again and have some protein and a boat load of veggies. That’s as far as fasting as I go. I guess I am doing 16/8hr split. Do you train in the morning??

351

yep. Will you come cook for me Maschy? :slight_smile:

And to think I haven’t been keeping track until NOW. I’ve probably been undereating for a long time and not really knowing it.

I’ve played into the eating intuitively approach for a long time now, which I respect but I think I’ve trained myself to eat like a turtle :slight_smile:

ooh, and I LOVE DAIRY!!! You just caught me on a day I didn’t have much. But mainly it’s in the form of greek yogurt. lol

But I love a good cheese, mmmmm. And ice cream!

352

UP- thanks for sharing!! How long have you been experimenting with this approach??

Sorry I wrote that wrong, I usually have a 4 day plan, but a 4 week training usually takes me more like 5 1/2 -6
Did the 10 day split if you will. I havent been at the “big lifts” long, end of May joined a gym, the only thing i had at home was the 5 ft 18# bar blah blah (dont want to take up your log to answer)If thats not what you meant feel free to ask me in mine :slight_smile:

Also on diet If the plan was 50g fat youve had what? 12 from your pro pancakes, i gave you 6 for almonds(1/4 c is 14, the amount you had barely covers the bottom of a 1/4 c, and dinner, not to mention if your cooking the olive oil it changes it too, unless your doing it straight up style, like me (the better the evoo the more burn it seems) anyway, I think once you get your diet down, you will see the changes you feel you deserve, the muscle is definitely there!!!

353

Yes I train in the morning. I have done a few spin classes after work but these are also basically fasted because I only have protein shakes at work and my last shake is around 5 hours prior.

Maschy - 2lbs olive oil? Ha ha! I think you mean 2 tablespoons, no?
I stick a fair bit of olive oil on my tuna (tuna a la can, I call it - I drain the water off, put the oil and some balsamic vinegar on top and eat it straight from the can. Less washing up!) It’s not a great idea to cook with it, though, as heating does bad things to it. I sometimes add some to my mince at the end of cooking for flavour but if I’m frying I generally use coconut oil or sometimes butter or duck fat. Coconut oil is particularly good since it has medium chain triglycerides which are good for burning fat.

I like dairy too. I use skimmed milk in my tea (I just prefer it to semi-skimmed which I find too thick) but I’ll sometimes have cheese, mascarpone or cottage cheese. And yeah, I like ice cream a lot. I try to limit it, though, because I will eat the whole damned tub once it’s open.

354

I got rid of the olive oil. There’s no way to tell how much fat I would got from it…recipe called for 3 tbsps of butter instead(mmmmmm butter) I browned the chicken, then drained off the butter.

Fat is coming in low @ 32 grams. But carbs are up there at 111 grams(minus 27 for fiber) Protein at 148

I ditched the kale too. Wasn’t feelin it afterall. I need to find a way to get the cals UP. More fat…olive oils shots? lol
Cheese?? I’m allergic to avacado sadly. More nuts?? Ground flax seed on everything? lol

355

Betty, I’m loving all the food talk in here. Here is what I eat:

Breakfast: 1/2 cup oatmeal (cooked with a little milk (or almond milk) water and salt, add frozen blueberries the last 2 minutes, after cooking I add one scoop protein powder, some cinnamon, some milk to blend and a small amount of silvered almonds.

Snack: a banana

Lunch: salad with balsamic vinegar for dressing, lean protein (salmon or eggs or left over meat from dinner or sliced turkey), maybe a piece of sprouted wheat bread, apple or pear.

Snack: greek yogurt

Snack: some almonds

Dinner: lean protein, salad or veggie, a small treat (1 square dark chocolate/chocolate almonds/etc.)

If I track on Fitday, I usually come out between 1600-1900 calories depending on the day.

I do love hearing what everyone eats, though.

Hope today was a good day for you!

356

I really don’t understand how someone can eat one square of chocolate. If I open a bar of chocolate, I eat it. The whole thing. It’s a bit like giving an alcoholic a bottle of wine and telling him to take a sip.

357

Did someone say wine and chocolate (sniff sniff)? Damn I’m getting hungry in here.

Parrots can’t eat avocado either MiMsy, not that you needed to know that :slight_smile:

Yeah I’m doing the intuitively approach now, but making sure to roast lots of veggies at least once a week so I always have some on hand at work (well except for this week). I find that I probably zig zag my calorie intake a bit, but the weight is coming off for me. And I don’t obssess about food so much anymore.

358

Oh wow, a Kimba eats more than I do!!

I’ve always wanted to see how many calories I can get away with, UP or DOWN.

MT- I really love eating intuitively. I get all nutty when I think of tracking foods and counting this and that. But once you have everything logged in it gets easier I suppose.

Honestly I feel no matter what I do nothing is really going to happen until I get fixed.
Ugh, I’m so tiiiired this morning. Plan on hitting the gym though… no energy drink :frowning:

359

oh and about the Protein Powder, I’m looking for one that can be used like you described Kimba, is TASTY and can also be used mixed in with baking, etc.

The one I have is NOT IT. Would you recommend the Grow! whey? I don’t mind if it’s flavored.

360

You don’t need ‘fixing’, just re-balanced. Maybe I should’ve been a doctor, hate to see you feel so tired. Then again I probably would’ve been a bit jaded and cynical like some of them. Have you been on your groups much, anyone you’ve connected with?

Yeah this is the first time in my life since I’ve been 19 (except for the ages of 14-16) or so where I can actually eat intuitively (no OCD or binging), nearly half my life ago.