hello,
about 6 months ago my dad had a heart attack, while in hospital he found out he has diabetes hes back on his feet now and has alot of fat to loose, but what way should he be eating for fat loss, because with the diabetes he cant do a no carb or even a low carb diet he has to eat complex carbs every few hours or he could end up in hypoglycemic shock.
any tip or advice?
thanks
Kerley
diabetes is actually a problem with hyperglycemia, right.
type II (insulin insensitivity) is pandemic here in the states. is that what your dad is dealing with?
people can become more sensitive with exercise and weight loss.
[quote]thruxton45 wrote:
diabetes is actually a problem with hyperglycemia, right.
type II (insulin insensitivity) is pandemic here in the states. is that what your dad is dealing with?
people can become more sensitive with exercise and weight loss. [/quote]
yeh thats right basicly the pancreas cant produce enough insulin to cope with the blood sugars so you can end up with elevated sugar levels like u said hyperglycemia but it you dont eat enough clean complex carbs it can go the opposite and end up in hypoglycemia.
yeh your right exercise and weight loss is the best ting for diabetes hes lost 3 stone already has about 2 stone to go give or take but his weight loss has stopped and he cant go any lower with his carbs and is already eating a calorie deficit.any help?
i’m feeling a bit extra conservative.
he has done well, and although he may have stalled a bit, i wouldn’t really want to try carb cycling or anything like that since he is older and already had some medical.
IME not eating bread (giving up bagels and pizza has been hell) or drinking milk, while upping the veggies and experimenting with just the right amounts of fruit has made a big difference.
[quote]thruxton45 wrote:
i’m feeling a bit extra conservative.
he has done well, and although he may have stalled a bit, i wouldn’t really want to try carb cycling or anything like that since he is older and already had some medical.
IME not eating bread (giving up bagels and pizza has been hell) or drinking milk, while upping the veggies and experimenting with just the right amounts of fruit has made a big difference. [/quote]
yeh ill tell him to start doing that more and see if it can kick start the fat loss.
thanks
well, what sort of exercising is he doing? Is he doing weight training? If so, what type? Lactic acid training I would hope? That is best for producing growth hormone, burning calories, fat loss.
lactic acid training would be hell for an older guy, especially one who was very out of shape.
that’s actually not true…in fact, it’s usually advised for people who are older and out of shape, seeing that it doesn’t place nearly as much overload on the CNS or joints as compared to heavy weight training. I’m not saying he should super set squats, with deads, with pull ups, with rows, like someone who is more advanced. But a medium paced circuit program is most likely much more ideal for those who are older and/or have less time.
[quote]Kerley wrote:
he has to eat complex carbs every few hours or he could end up in hypoglycemic shock.
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His doctor is probably the most advisable person to consult on this issue. This aside, what insulin doses is he taking? Hypoglycemia is most easily prevented by intelligent use of your insulin in terms of when you take the injections. But again this is an issue to discuss 1-on-1 with a doctor. And it is not easy to do at all. Not even for someone like me who doesn’t remember a day in their life without taking insulin.
Yea get him exercising as soon as you can.
I’m going to be blunt with this though and you may not like to hear it but it is how it is. As a type 1 myself and someone who has seen family members fall bad to type 2, reverting the harm diabetes inflicts upon people over their life time is very, very hard to do for someone who has lived an entire life one way (ie, poor eating habits and/or lack of exercise). There are no short term fixes for type 2 diabetes and probably never will be.
If he wants to try and help himself, dramatic changes are probably needed ASAP and if he isn’t willing to do so (I assume since he had a heart attack his habits were not the best), don’t let yourself feel bad about it. Obviously no one wants to lose their family, but you can only do so much.
In the end it is up to him more than anyone to do the exercising, the healthy eating, the medicines, etc. if he wants to try to live out the rest of his life without having the same terrible diabetes-related complication ridden end-of-life experiences that many people around the world are experiencing.
So get him exercising 4-5 times/week. Also look into a fish oil supplement and perhaps if you can get him to take it, a health supplement like Superfood. Or possibly a whey protein supplement as a meal replacement option. Like I said though, some people just won’t change… don’t stress over it; learn from it.
Cut the carbs. You don’t need complex carbs just because you are a diabetic. Look at it as the carbs are causing him to go low versus preventing him from going low. Your dad is getting a hypo as the result of an insulin response or injected insulin if he is taking it. Of course, the drugs he is taking as a type 2 are making him more sensitive as well. Cut the carbs and you cut the insulin response. Cut the insulin response and you reduce lows.
Also, too much insulin makes you fat. Cut the carbs, lower the insulin and lose weight. I have been a type 1 diabetic for 24 years. This approach has worked well for me.
Read Dr. Bernstein’s Diabetes Solution. It has saved my life.
The best advice I can give you if you want a straight cut answer from an actual professional, and don?t consider most doctors professional (The ADA even tells people that they should consume 80% of daily in take in the form of carbs) 
I would head over to http://robbwolf.com/ and ask Robb. He has dealt with cancer patients, diabetics and probably every other health problem caused by civilization today. I would have responded like everyone else and said cut the carbs, because we know that has a high insulin spike especially high glycemic carbs.
I would have suggested cut the dairy and grains too because they will spike insulin just the same and cause gut irritation, which is probably what gave your dad diabetes in the first place. But you sound like there are some other issues that may accompany your father diabetes, such as the hypo shock, etc. Here?s a link on a mother with a much worse condition than your dad and Robb?s response Paleo Vs. Type 1 Diabetes 2.
My dad is type 2 as well and it?s been super hard to keep the bugger away from processed sugar, alcohol and the like. Those two right there are huge problems for type 2’s especially because of any addictive factors. If you dad was diabetic and then became obese (or overweight) then he might have some serious problems being able to eat clean. Putting him on The Zone and its parameters would help too, just to work out the marco ratios of food and balance the hormones and food percentages, plus it?s a cleaner list to choose food from. Alzheimer’s is now considered diabetes type 3. Even women who have fertility issues are prescribed Glucophage which is the same thing prescribed for diabetes.
Robb can sometimes be hard to contact because of his current busy schedule, so if you can?t get a response through just let me know and ill give him a call.
PM me if you have any questions.
[quote]Phatoff wrote:
Cut the carbs. You don’t need complex carbs just because you are a diabetic. Look at it as the carbs are causing him to go low versus preventing him from going low. Your dad is getting a hypo as the result of an insulin response or injected insulin if he is taking it. Of course, the drugs he is taking as a type 2 are making him more sensitive as well. Cut the carbs and you cut the insulin response. Cut the insulin response and you reduce lows.
Also, too much insulin makes you fat. Cut the carbs, lower the insulin and lose weight. I have been a type 1 diabetic for 24 years. This approach has worked well for me.
Read Dr. Bernstein’s Diabetes Solution. It has saved my life.[/quote]
i will try and get that book Dr. Bernstein’s Diabetes Solution
tanks for the help
[quote]Rusty Barbell wrote:
Kerley wrote:
he has to eat complex carbs every few hours or he could end up in hypoglycemic shock.
His doctor is probably the most advisable person to consult on this issue. This aside, what insulin doses is he taking? Hypoglycemia is most easily prevented by intelligent use of your insulin in terms of when you take the injections. But again this is an issue to discuss 1-on-1 with a doctor. And it is not easy to do at all. Not even for someone like me who doesn’t remember a day in their life without taking insulin.
Yea get him exercising as soon as you can.
I’m going to be blunt with this though and you may not like to hear it but it is how it is. As a type 1 myself and someone who has seen family members fall bad to type 2, reverting the harm diabetes inflicts upon people over their life time is very, very hard to do for someone who has lived an entire life one way (ie, poor eating habits and/or lack of exercise). There are no short term fixes for type 2 diabetes and probably never will be.
If he wants to try and help himself, dramatic changes are probably needed ASAP and if he isn’t willing to do so (I assume since he had a heart attack his habits were not the best), don’t let yourself feel bad about it. Obviously no one wants to lose their family, but you can only do so much.
In the end it is up to him more than anyone to do the exercising, the healthy eating, the medicines, etc. if he wants to try to live out the rest of his life without having the same terrible diabetes-related complication ridden end-of-life experiences that many people around the world are experiencing.
So get him exercising 4-5 times/week. Also look into a fish oil supplement and perhaps if you can get him to take it, a health supplement like Superfood. Or possibly a whey protein supplement as a meal replacement option. Like I said though, some people just won’t change… don’t stress over it; learn from it.[/quote]
he does a hour steady paced cardio everyday he takes a doctor perscribed omega-3 supplement already. i will tell him to try other supplements and see.
thanks for your help and advice
[quote]hipsr4runnin wrote:
The best advice I can give you if you want a straight cut answer from an actual professional, and don?t consider most doctors professional (The ADA even tells people that they should consume 80% of daily in take in the form of carbs) I would head over to http://robbwolf.com/ and ask Robb. He has dealt with cancer patients, diabetics and probably every other health problem caused by civilization today. I would have responded like everyone else and said cut the carbs, because we know that has a high insulin spike especially high glycemic carbs.
I would have suggested cut the dairy and grains too because they will spike insulin just the same and cause gut irritation, which is probably what gave your dad diabetes in the first place. But you sound like there are some other issues that may accompany your father diabetes, such as the hypo shock, etc. Here?s a link on a mother with a much worse condition than your dad and Robb?s response Paleo Vs. Type 1 Diabetes 2.
My dad is type 2 as well and it?s been super hard to keep the bugger away from processed sugar, alcohol and the like. Those two right there are huge problems for type 2’s especially because of any addictive factors. If you dad was diabetic and then became obese (or overweight) then he might have some serious problems being able to eat clean. Putting him on The Zone and its parameters would help too, just to work out the marco ratios of food and balance the hormones and food percentages, plus it?s a cleaner list to choose food from. Alzheimer’s is now considered diabetes type 3. Even women who have fertility issues are prescribed Glucophage which is the same thing prescribed for diabetes.
Robb can sometimes be hard to contact because of his current busy schedule, so if you can?t get a response through just let me know and ill give him a call.
PM me if you have any questions.
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i wrote to robb wolf there i will wait for a response
thanks for your help
dr.bernsteins book is a live saver!
I suggest seeing a registered dietitian that is also a certified diabetic educator (CDE). To earn that certification, they have to have completed 500 hours of nutrition counseling for diabetics. They know about all diabetic drugs, timing of them, and timing of carbohydrates and exercise.
Telling an older guy who is diabetic and fresh out of the hospital to do lactic acid training; that’s fucking hysterical! Yeah, pick up a copy of Cosgrove’s afterburn and superset 20 reps of squats with 20 reps of T-pushups. Sounds good - for a heart attack! 
If he must eat carbs, aim for low-glycemic carbs, such as: oats, whole wheat grains, vegetables. Interesting ting is that a diet high in fructose (but still in moderate and not excessive amounts) reduces blood sugar, and if consistently done, may remove any evidence of type II diabetes. They metabolize alot slower in your body. Exercise (cardio and moderate weight training) is probably the best prescription.
I am a 66 yr olde Type II. First, a 47 olde friend was in the hospital with ultra high sugar, and did not want things to prgress to having to use the needle. She joined Curves for Women, did it twice a day, walked, dieted exactly right, and worked full time. She is now completely off any medications.
Sugar in your system, not covered by insulin runs through a body, like a sharp piece of ice. Damage is usually to nerve coverings, then exposing the nerves(eye, feet, fingers) to the sharp edges of the sugar. Big muscles are meaningless in diabetics.
After every meal take at least a 10 minute walk. Every breakfast is oatmeal, eggs + half banana. Apple, remember the olde ‘an apple a day’? Apples are great snacks rather than junk. Read & subscribe to Dr Whitakers Health & Fitness, and Dad needs to tke certain supplements that will help the diabetes. This ain’t easy, but he can fight it, and the battle never ends.
phatoff and bushido basically nailed it. I think the ideal diet for diabetics is around 100g of complex carbs a day (oats, barley, buckwheat, etc.). Obviously cut out all refined sugar and alcohol. Type 2 diabetes is basically super insulin resistance and it can be controlled pretty easily with diet and exercise as long as the person knows what he is doing.