How do the pro’s go from diet to mass gaining? I know you can only bulk for so long before your body slows, then you need to diet for 6-8 wks . Its also better to gain while lean right? So what kind of a juice program do you follow thats safe and that takes you from diet to bulking? Im taking t-3 , winny , and clen. I may take some tren too to help me keep mass cause last time i was on a diet with clen , t-3 and test prop 600mg/wk i still lost 25 lbs in 4 wks.
Do i need to PCT when i come off diet or just transition into test and bulking? I will be on diet 6-8 wks depending on how fast i lose fat. I have done several bulking cycles and they seem to help less and less even though i stuff my face and drink 3-4 shakes a day so i have been reading that i need to diet for a while then i will gain muscle faster and with less side effects if im leaner when i bulk. Can someone help me out? Thanks guys.
I read that the pro’s use the most shit when they are tring to get ripped for a contest. What do they take when they get off contest diet and go into bulking to gain more muscle? Do they just stay on juice year round? Last time i was on diet with no gear , as soon as i plateued in my diet ,around 6 wks, then i went back to a bulking phase and gained much more strength and muscle than i had before my diet.
How do i switch to bulk cycle this time if im taking gear to keep my muscle while on a diet. I dont care so much for the diet , i just know it will help me gain more muscle faster when i come off a diet. Do you understand now? I know how to train and eat for mass, but over time results come slower and harder. Im not going to get as big as the pro’s, but i want to get as big as i can. I have no problem shedding fat, its just hard to keep/gain muscle.
You may be interested in knowing that when you switch from a higher calorie diet to a lower calorie more nutritionally dense diet you can actually gain even more muscle. Your body does become more efficient in partitioning nutrients and that helps alot. Eventually if the deficit is low enough your body will start to burn some muscle. There is no written in stone formula for this.
Some of this boards more experienced and muscular individuals made a statement that you could ask any 10 large muscular guys, in what was their formula to get that big. You would get 10 different answers. You have to learn your bodies own cycles and the way it responds and how it works. Same with your training. There are literally dozens of ways to do this. You have to find your groove. In time your experience will answer any questions that might be frustrating you.
In regards to your cycles, no you don’t have to PCT between the bulking/diet cycle stages. You can just switch compounds. The reason you hear bodybuilders are on alot of stuff when cutting is mainly just hearsay. They DO switch to compounds they know cause less water retention. So this is where the cycle is no longer a more simple Predominantly test cycle but gets into more compounds and usually in different combinations.
But that’s all useless info if you are still learning how your body works. When you know your body you can make great gains like you;re on a light cycle. If you don;t learn this well, your anabolic use may become a crutch. I’ve witnessed plenty of people cycle and gain nothing because they did not have the fundamentals in working their body and understanding how THEIR body grows.
The biggest thing is for you to not assume you already know something. How can you know your training and have it down packed? People can exercise for decades and still learn something new and make tons of new progress they thought was impossible. Learn learn and learn again. Experience will be your friend
No, im not following the protocal of a pro as far as dosage, but i want to learn how they gain the most muscle with the least amount of drugs. Thats all. i dont have there genes, but i want to be the best i can. Hell, i have friends that were more muscular than me now when we were in high school 10 yrs ago. I have been working out off and on the past 10 years, but have not tried to get to big as an mma fighter. Now i can get as big as i can. I get used to everything real quick(past drugs and alcohol), so im just tring to get as big as possible with the least drugs. Thanks for your help guys. Let me know if you have any other ideas.
No one here will write you out a cycle. If you’re looking to run a first cycle, do some research as to what a good first cycle is. There were a few recent threads on here that were productive ‘first cycle’ threads, IIRC.
[quote]michael myers wrote:
Let me know if you have any other ideas.[/quote]
I dont need any one to write me a cycle. I’ve done 6-8 cycles already bro. Ive taken an assortment over the years . Test , every kind, anadroll, d-boll, eq, tren ace and ent., winn.,decca slin and GH. All i was tring to get someone to tell me was the best timing for gear on a cutting to bulking cycle. Im no expert on this shit. Just not to concerned with the diet cause i lose bf so fast. Im a hard gainer. When i got out of high school i only weighed 120 lbs at 5’10. Now im over 230 but fatter. It was my fault but now im just tring to get in best shape thats all. Im gonna try going from clen, t-3, gh, winn, tren and low test on diet 6-8 wks to high test eq, and ghrp 6 on bulking for 6-8 wks then pct w/ hcg,tamox,and hmg. A little longer than normal rfor me, but i gotta try sumthin diff. Also , has anyone gained any thing on GH? all i got was numb hands for 7 months and a empty wallet. I started with 3 iu’s a day up to 10 iu’s a day with cycles of test and slin off and on . Im a bit leaner at the same weight. Not worth tha money IMO.
Your body composition will be dictated more by your diet than your drug use. Clearly, some drugs are better for cutting and bulking, which you seem to have a good grasp on… however, if you go from 6-8 weeks of cutting straight into 6-8 weeks of bulking, your body will gain more fat than you’d like, even on AAS.
You’re better off choosing one goal and sticking to it until it’s reached, rather than trying to achieve two things in a very short time.
By the looks of it we are dealing with a brotard on AAS. As soon as you call it “juice” it threw a giant red flag for me. God man. Then you go off into pro bodybuilder cycles.
I didnt ask for smartass remarks fallen. I can call it whatever tha fuck i wanna call it numbnuts. Dope is the easy part, im just trying to figure out timing for diet and bulking. I’ll tell you whats retarded, the stupid gay ass avaturd you got.
[quote]michael myers wrote:
I didnt ask for smartass remarks fallen. I can call it whatever tha fuck i wanna call it numbnuts. Dope is the easy part, im just trying to figure out timing for diet and bulking. I’ll tell you whats retarded, the stupid gay ass avaturd you got.[/quote]
Are you from North Dakota by chance? My “avatar” is one of Blake’s finest works. Dude what fucking timing for bulking? If you can pin a delt, glute, quad, and the occasional tri you can run a proper bulker of 8-10 weeks. Of course you must be knowledgeable in other factors associated with exploiting your AAS protocol. If you’re concerned with water weight/bloat whatever, everything IME is controlled with proper AI admin and immediate SERM admin (nolva,clomid) if any estrogen related side effects begin manifesting if you fall into the category of individual that gets puffy nips at the sight of a loaded pin. A solid test e product, coupled with an oral with a SERM PCT or a test taper/SERM PCT and you’ll do alright. I cant tell you dosages because since you’ve done 6-8 cycles already you should know your sweet spot. If you need help from a nutritional standpoint you dont belong in this sandbox. You should know how to eat on and off gear.
I say the OP already has all the answers in this thread. Your problem is that you’re looking to the wrong things in your belief in what it takes to build a body. You already cycled plenty and and still are not happy with how you look. Clearly you wondered down the wrong path and you don’t want to think about any of it. Just quick answers and fixes. Sorry life does not work that way, much less bodybuilding.
[quote]Gregus wrote:
I say the OP already has all the answers in this thread. Your problem is that you’re looking to the wrong things in your belief in what it takes to build a body. You already cycled plenty and and still are not happy with how you look. Clearly you wondered down the wrong path and you don’t want to think about any of it. Just quick answers and fixes. Sorry life does not work that way, much less bodybuilding. [/quote]
I agree Gregus. To brag about 6-8 cycles and have such a basic to moronic question is amusing. His lack of response might be a sign that everything we answered was beyond his realm of comprehension. Mainly due to the lack of “bro” being placed at the end of every sentence. Typical
