Where did you find my cat, fiction?
Poor thing was spooked by all the aspartame I had in the house and ran off.
Well, I know it is bad and I go through phases where I drink none and then just do. I just am tired of being SO strict with my diet and it seems like it is a lesser evil? I have been drinking almost 1 liter per day.
How does asperatame compare to splenda? I think splenda bloats me. I like asperatame better…
[quote]sarah1 wrote:
Well, I know it is bad and I go through phases where I drink none and then just do. I just am tired of being SO strict with my diet and it seems like it is a lesser evil? I have been drinking almost 1 liter per day.[/quote]
Thats too much. If you don’t have the self discipline to cut out something like diet soda maybe this game isn’t for you.
sorry for being blunt
DG
[quote]Dirty Gerdy wrote:
sarah1 wrote:
Well, I know it is bad and I go through phases where I drink none and then just do. I just am tired of being SO strict with my diet and it seems like it is a lesser evil? I have been drinking almost 1 liter per day.
Thats too much. If you don’t have the self discipline to cut out something like diet soda maybe this game isn’t for you.
sorry for being blunt
DG[/quote]
I think it comes to focusing on what’s really important and this isn’t one of those issues.
After all, how many succesful bodybuilders do you know that worry about aspartame or other artificial sweeteners?
I don’t claim to know any big-time bodybuilders, but the biggest and strongest guys I’ve actually spoken with don’t seem to worry about stuff like this.
[quote]HK24719 wrote:
Dirty Gerdy wrote:
sarah1 wrote:
Well, I know it is bad and I go through phases where I drink none and then just do. I just am tired of being SO strict with my diet and it seems like it is a lesser evil? I have been drinking almost 1 liter per day.
Thats too much. If you don’t have the self discipline to cut out something like diet soda maybe this game isn’t for you.
sorry for being blunt
DG
I think it comes to focusing on what’s really important and this isn’t one of those issues.
After all, how many succesful bodybuilders do you know that worry about aspartame or other artificial sweeteners?
I don’t claim to know any big-time bodybuilders, but the biggest and strongest guys I’ve actually spoken with don’t seem to worry about stuff like this.[/quote]
No they don’t, but I can guarantee you that every amateur competitor I know that succeeds in the sport isn’t drinking 1 liter of diet soda a day.
My point isn’t exactly the diet soda, its if you don’t have the ability to control your urge for soda, then how are you supposed to follow a diet or solid weight training routine of any sort?
Now many people come on here and say that they aren’t trying to be competitive bodybuilders/figure competitors.
I hate settling for mediocracy, it shouldn’t matter what you want to do, if you post on this site it should be because you want to build the best physique for your goals. To build that best physique requires dedication, discipline and hard work. If people on this site are not willing to do that, then something has to change.
Testosterone nation when I started reading back in 2004 was known for being one of the more hardcore sites for people who were dedicated to their physiques. Most threads on the site now aren’t this way.
If aspartame isn’t that big of a deal then it doesn’t deserve a thread about it or diet soda and Doms.
The way I see it, if it isn’t helping you with your goals then why consume it?
note that I did say on occasion is fine, we have to have some breaks every now and then…but 1 liter a day is too much imo…
DG
[quote]Fiction wrote:
sluicy wrote:
A couple of years ago I went through a semi-anorexic phase where I pretty much lived on diet root beer. And yes, the aspartame really screwed me up. I was completely drained of energy and had headaches all the time.
Lawl.
Erm…are you sure it was the aspartame that was giving you headaches and draining you of energy, and not the fact that you were living on diet root beer??[/quote]
Yes I am. After quitting the diet soda… yet NOT adjusting my caloric intake… the symptoms completely went away.
However, my primary argument is not anecdotal. I did plenty of reading after that episode. You people need to do a bit of research on your own. The burden of proof isn’t on me. If you want to learn, do your own research. But if you want to flame, then have a good time.
Edit… I understand that a lack of nutrition played a factor, but as an ex-EDer I’ve dealt with that many times before. When I say “drained of energy” I don’t mean just feeling like I’m dragging. I don’t really know how to describe it. It was like being drugged or otherwise CNS impaired, not like just not having enough caloric intake, with which I’m quite familiar.
And I do realize my original post sounds incredibly flaky, but I was simply noting the reason why I was drinking soda. Anyway, I stand by what I said, but I do apologize for not thinking before I posted, which certainly hinders the argument for the everyone else.
[quote]Dirty Gerdy wrote:
HK24719 wrote:
Dirty Gerdy wrote:
sarah1 wrote:
Well, I know it is bad and I go through phases where I drink none and then just do. I just am tired of being SO strict with my diet and it seems like it is a lesser evil? I have been drinking almost 1 liter per day.
Thats too much. If you don’t have the self discipline to cut out something like diet soda maybe this game isn’t for you.
sorry for being blunt
DG
I think it comes to focusing on what’s really important and this isn’t one of those issues.
After all, how many succesful bodybuilders do you know that worry about aspartame or other artificial sweeteners?
I don’t claim to know any big-time bodybuilders, but the biggest and strongest guys I’ve actually spoken with don’t seem to worry about stuff like this.
No they don’t, but I can guarantee you that every amateur competitor I know that succeeds in the sport isn’t drinking 1 liter of diet soda a day.
My point isn’t exactly the diet soda, its if you don’t have the ability to control your urge for soda, then how are you supposed to follow a diet or solid weight training routine of any sort?
Now many people come on here and say that they aren’t trying to be competitive bodybuilders/figure competitors.
I hate settling for mediocracy, it shouldn’t matter what you want to do, if you post on this site it should be because you want to build the best physique for your goals. To build that best physique requires dedication, discipline and hard work. If people on this site are not willing to do that, then something has to change.
Testosterone nation when I started reading back in 2004 was known for being one of the more hardcore sites for people who were dedicated to their physiques. Most threads on the site now aren’t this way.
If aspartame isn’t that big of a deal then it doesn’t deserve a thread about it or diet soda and Doms.
The way I see it, if it isn’t helping you with your goals then why consume it?
note that I did say on occasion is fine, we have to have some breaks every now and then…but 1 liter a day is too much imo…
DG[/quote]
DG, I defiantly agree with you that upwards of a liter is not only excessive, but compulsive and shows a lack of self control and perhaps an underlying addiction to sweets.
Nevertheless, there has been zero real scientific data of anyone suffering maladies from diet cola. Also, I DO know some competitors who consume 2 to 3 liters of diet soda up to the day of the comp. It’s just that broccoli and chicken can be tiresome and it helps ease the monotony.;
[quote]hexx wrote:
Dirty Gerdy wrote:
HK24719 wrote:
Dirty Gerdy wrote:
sarah1 wrote:
Well, I know it is bad and I go through phases where I drink none and then just do. I just am tired of being SO strict with my diet and it seems like it is a lesser evil? I have been drinking almost 1 liter per day.
Thats too much. If you don’t have the self discipline to cut out something like diet soda maybe this game isn’t for you.
sorry for being blunt
DG
I think it comes to focusing on what’s really important and this isn’t one of those issues.
After all, how many succesful bodybuilders do you know that worry about aspartame or other artificial sweeteners?
I don’t claim to know any big-time bodybuilders, but the biggest and strongest guys I’ve actually spoken with don’t seem to worry about stuff like this.
No they don’t, but I can guarantee you that every amateur competitor I know that succeeds in the sport isn’t drinking 1 liter of diet soda a day.
My point isn’t exactly the diet soda, its if you don’t have the ability to control your urge for soda, then how are you supposed to follow a diet or solid weight training routine of any sort?
Now many people come on here and say that they aren’t trying to be competitive bodybuilders/figure competitors.
I hate settling for mediocracy, it shouldn’t matter what you want to do, if you post on this site it should be because you want to build the best physique for your goals. To build that best physique requires dedication, discipline and hard work. If people on this site are not willing to do that, then something has to change.
Testosterone nation when I started reading back in 2004 was known for being one of the more hardcore sites for people who were dedicated to their physiques. Most threads on the site now aren’t this way.
If aspartame isn’t that big of a deal then it doesn’t deserve a thread about it or diet soda and Doms.
The way I see it, if it isn’t helping you with your goals then why consume it?
note that I did say on occasion is fine, we have to have some breaks every now and then…but 1 liter a day is too much imo…
DG
DG, I defiantly agree with you that upwards of a liter is not only excessive, but compulsive and shows a lack of self control and perhaps an underlying addiction to sweets.
Nevertheless, there has been zero real scientific data of anyone suffering maladies from diet cola. Also, I DO know some competitors who consume 2 to 3 liters of diet soda up to the day of the comp. It’s just that broccoli and chicken can be tiresome and it helps ease the monotony.;
[/quote]
lol well I could see that.
i know of many bbers who smoke and chew because they claim the nicotene helps with hunger, but none of them are winning.
the ones I know that win…they drink water and wouldn’t even consider taking the easy route 
lol but I see and agree with your point.
DG
[quote]sluicy wrote:
Yes I am. After quitting the diet soda… yet NOT adjusting my caloric intake… the symptoms completely went away.
However, my primary argument is not anecdotal. I did plenty of reading after that episode. You people need to do a bit of research on your own. The burden of proof isn’t on me. If you want to learn, do your own research. But if you want to flame, then have a good time.
Edit… I understand that a lack of nutrition played a factor, but as an ex-EDer I’ve dealt with that many times before. When I say “drained of energy” I don’t mean just feeling like I’m dragging. I don’t really know how to describe it. It was like being drugged or otherwise CNS impaired, not like just not having enough caloric intake, with which I’m quite familiar.
And I do realize my original post sounds incredibly flaky, but I was simply noting the reason why I was drinking soda. Anyway, I stand by what I said, but I do apologize for not thinking before I posted, which certainly hinders the argument for the everyone else.[/quote]
You admit to making a post that “sounds incredibly flaky” then get mad and defensive when a few people call you out on it?
Not only that, but the fact that you quit drinking diet soda and the symptoms went away does not prove anything. You could have decided to stop drinking the soda the day your body got used to its current routine, in which case the headaches would have gone away anyway. Correlation does not prove causation.
I’m sure you are familiar with the low carb “foggy” feeling people get when they start a low carb diet for the first few days. This issue usually resolves all by itself on day 5-7, but if you didnt know that any threw in a diet soda on day 6 as the only change to their program, you might attribute the soda to your new found sense of well being(which would have happened anyway remember). Do you see how one could make the mistake in saying diet sodas actually make you feel better in an event like that?
By the way, the burden of proof IS on you, because YOU made the claim. Also, dont be fooled by confirmation bias (researching only claims that support your idea and neglecting the negative ones), do research on all areas to make a more well rounded conclusion. I understand there is a subset of the population that can experience very bad effects from diet soda, but I would wager that most people do just fine on them.
I find that if I view my nutrition from the standpoint of whether something is helping rather than whether it is hurting I have no problems. In other words the question for me wouldn’t be “is diet soda going to cause problems?” it would be “is diet soda going to promote my goals?” If not then I wouldn’t drink it.
At best it would be a useless expense and at worst it may be trouble. All risk, even if slight, no benefit. Same question I ask about anything. That may be overly strict for some people, but that’s how I make my decisions and it eliminates a whole bunch of unnecessary hassle.
[quote]Lonnie123 wrote:
sluicy wrote:
Yes I am. After quitting the diet soda… yet NOT adjusting my caloric intake… the symptoms completely went away.
However, my primary argument is not anecdotal. I did plenty of reading after that episode. You people need to do a bit of research on your own. The burden of proof isn’t on me. If you want to learn, do your own research. But if you want to flame, then have a good time.
Edit… I understand that a lack of nutrition played a factor, but as an ex-EDer I’ve dealt with that many times before. When I say “drained of energy” I don’t mean just feeling like I’m dragging. I don’t really know how to describe it. It was like being drugged or otherwise CNS impaired, not like just not having enough caloric intake, with which I’m quite familiar.
And I do realize my original post sounds incredibly flaky, but I was simply noting the reason why I was drinking soda. Anyway, I stand by what I said, but I do apologize for not thinking before I posted, which certainly hinders the argument for the everyone else.
You admit to making a post that “sounds incredibly flaky” then get mad and defensive when a few people call you out on it? [/quote]
You are correct. I tend to get defensive before thinking critically and speak before I think. Hence the edit.
[quote]
Not only that, but the fact that you quit drinking diet soda and the symptoms went away does not prove anything. You could have decided to stop drinking the soda the day your body got used to its current routine, in which case the headaches would have gone away anyway. Correlation does not prove causation.
I’m sure you are familiar with the low carb “foggy” feeling people get when they start a low carb diet for the first few days. This issue usually resolves all by itself on day 5-7, but if you didnt know that any threw in a diet soda on day 6 as the only change to their program, you might attribute the soda to your new found sense of well being(which would have happened anyway remember). Do you see how one could make the mistake in saying diet sodas actually make you feel better in an event like that?[/quote]
I’d been eating the way I was for 5-6 months before and then another similar amount of time after the soda episode, which lasted about two months. It was not any sort of planned/programmed diet, low carb or otherwise. I simply restricted my calories beyond a point of being healthy and a few months into it decided to throw in diet soda on a 2-3 liter a day basis to fill my stomach.
[quote]
By the way, the burden of proof IS on you, because YOU made the claim. Also, dont be fooled by confirmation bias (researching only claims that support your idea and neglecting the negative ones), do research on all areas to make a more well rounded conclusion. I understand there is a subset of the population that can experience very bad effects from diet soda, but I would wager that most people do just fine on them.[/quote]
I understand this. Many people can drink more diet soda than I can and not be noticeably affected at the time. And I am well aware of all the information available on the internet and how easy it is to come up with nothing but evidence which supports your claims, and am very skeptical when researching due to this fact.
In regard to the burden of proof, everyone arguing against aspartame so far has had decent evidence. Those arguing that it was not harmful so far have just been sarcastic and don’t have much of substance to post so I feel no need to go about putting more evidence out there when it’s ignored. Hence, it’s your turn.
However I appreciate your advice and you have been about the health and strength life much longer than I have, but I do know my body and I do know what I went through was not normal, carb depletion or not. (Actually, I am always clearer and more energetic without carbs, from day one.)
If you want to discuss it further I’d be happy to do so without turning it into a flame-war, I’m sure there is plenty I could learn from you and I’m certainly not here to alienate people who could be helpful when I have a lot to learn. But I stand by what I do know about my own experience regarding this particular subject.
Damn! I still don’t know how to make my quotes-in-the-middle-of-quotes yellow instead of grey.
[quote]sluicy wrote:
Damn! I still don’t know how to make my quotes-in-the-middle-of-quotes yellow instead of grey. [/quote]
Ha. [quote]You[/quote] n00b[quote].[/quote]
[quote]Dirty Gerdy wrote:
Try water.
Although diet soda may be low in sugar and calories it still sucks as something to drink imo…
Some now and then probably won’t have any effects on recovery but if you drink them daily I’d suggest switching to water. lol
DG[/quote]
water??? i heard that stuff is good for you…
Sluicy:
I didnt mean to imply you were going low carbs or anything, that was merely an example of someone who might perceive a change for the wrong reason. This is kind of like Lucky Sock syndrome in which an athlete wears the red sock and wins the game and thinks that the sock caused him to win.
As for the sweetner, to the best of my knowledge there is evidence that support claims on either side of the fence, and many of the studies that show adverse brain activity were done in mice with simply undrinkable amounts of the stuff (200+cans a day for an extended period of time).
Just from a cursory google search of only a few seconds I found many references and expert panels concluding it is safe to use… So its easy to find if you want to.
i have a very sensitive CNS and if i EVER have anything that has aspartame in it (which from experience is like never now) i get very very bad anxiety and the worst headaches of my life.
EVERY SINGLE TIME I HAVE ASPARTAME IT HAPPENS. i bought some protein a while back that had aspartame in it and i took 1 serving and had bad anxiety and headaches and felt really out of it. so i didnt know what that was from so i kept taking the protein and it persisted.
well, i had bought some other protein and started taking that and everything went away. then i look at the previous bottle and said it contained aspartame. and the other was natural flavor. so i said hmm…
and i took another scoop of the aspartame sweetened protein just to see if thats what was it. and yes it was. for sure. well i through out that 5lb tub really fast. (ive tried just about any protein on the market also)
[quote]Makavali wrote:
sluicy wrote:
Damn! I still don’t know how to make my quotes-in-the-middle-of-quotes yellow instead of grey.
Ha. You n00b.[/quote]
Yes, I know. Mod Laurie tried to explain it to me but I still can’t manage to do it right.
sarah - splenda makes my girlfriend bloated too… your not alone.
why do you drink the soda? for some caffinee boost? or what?
My traps have some serious DOMS, it’s probably all that aspartame I’m drinking.