[quote]MsM wrote:
You should try reading some good double-blind research instead of making statements like “pork is fine”.[/quote]
This is getting funny.
You’re now implying that there are credible double-blind studies on the safety of pork.
Care to share any of these?
For the love of God…please tell me they make you wear a helmet when they take you out in public?
[quote]MsM wrote:
For the love of God…please tell me they make you wear a helmet when they take you out in public?[/quote]
I'll take exception to the aspartme. There are a shitload of studies which back up it's safety. No reason to go tossing it out of the pantry because of one study that says it's satans sugar. It's been totally cleared from way back, and only presented a problem to an extreme minority of the population who have a prexisting physiological problem.
I often wonder if i really have time for this…
Aspartame when heated or digested breaks down to release a free glutamate molecule. this is the same as MSG and the number one toxic element of aspartame.
The choice is yours to ingest items that will result in the absorbtion of free glutamate’s. If you don’t think that shit will affect you then go ape shit. But it’s not complete BS that free glutamate’s, when across the blood-brain barrier can and will likely cause long term brain damage. Also watch the sponsorship of any media pieces that you read that purport to be ‘scientific’.
As for the milk issue there are a few private lab analysis that show levels of exogenous estrogen that may or may not be harmful to your health. If you are concerned about exogenous estrogen sources such as soy and plastic but are still choking back the non-organic, pasteurized milk you are living in a world of trees that you refuse to name a forest.
A great example that never ceases to fail with my clients is if they have a bad set of acne and I take them off milk products, acne goes away despite them not having a confirmed lactose intolerance. Same goes for clients with oversensitive nipples and other signs of mild gyno.
The OP said no science articles etc. so this is just a lit review of things i have read previously and happen to recall offhand.
good training,
-chris
its good to see some debate!
what ive gathered so far:
So you have all helped me decide i can make my diet more affordable by including pork and that (now that im clean bulking) i can include (some)dairy.
thank you!
if i can move the discussion onto dairy specifically -
ive read that when you seperate the curds from the whey, the whey is the desirable part. ive also read that soft cheeses have more whey and less curd. ive also read that soft cheeses are the villainous ones.
anyone have a PHD in cheese science? set me straight!
I am pretty sure the curd is the casein protein which is good stuff to.
No idea about cheeses
milk is 80% whey 20% casein I believe.
Diet Soda is for queers
I’m not gonna get into the aspartame debate, but I just wanted to say that the word chemical is getting thrown around in a lot of ways it shouldn’t be.
EVERYTHING is a chemical. The word chemical means nothing negative, and just because aspartame is one, doesn’t mean it’s harmful.
[quote]Acebgd12 wrote:
I’m not gonna get into the aspartame debate, but I just wanted to say that the word chemical is getting thrown around in a lot of ways it shouldn’t be.
EVERYTHING is a chemical. The word chemical means nothing negative, and just because aspartame is one, doesn’t mean it’s harmful.[/quote]
I’m glad you said this b/c I was thinking it.
It drives me crazy when someone starts talking about not wanting to put a bunch of “chemicals” in their body.
[quote]Avocado wrote:
I often wonder if i really have time for this…
Aspartame when heated or digested breaks down to release a free glutamate molecule. this is the same as MSG and the number one toxic element of aspartame.
The choice is yours to ingest items that will result in the absorbtion of free glutamate’s. If you don’t think that shit will affect you then go ape shit. But it’s not complete BS that free glutamate’s, when across the blood-brain barrier can and will likely cause long term brain damage. Also watch the sponsorship of any media pieces that you read that purport to be ‘scientific’.
As for the milk issue there are a few private lab analysis that show levels of exogenous estrogen that may or may not be harmful to your health. If you are concerned about exogenous estrogen sources such as soy and plastic but are still choking back the non-organic, pasteurized milk you are living in a world of trees that you refuse to name a forest.
A great example that never ceases to fail with my clients is if they have a bad set of acne and I take them off milk products, acne goes away despite them not having a confirmed lactose intolerance. Same goes for clients with oversensitive nipples and other signs of mild gyno.
The OP said no science articles etc. so this is just a lit review of things i have read previously and happen to recall offhand.
good training,
-chris[/quote]
Whoa, ok now. The op said no scientific "jibberish". Here is some articulate and easily read scientific evidence to quell the storm of brow beating by all the fear mongers out here on Aspartme. These researchers have a high degree of integrity, and you can decide for yourself better after digesting this my friends.
Safety of Aspartame:
Latest NewsLeading Scientists Around the World Confirm Safety of Aspartame
Overwhelming Scientific Evidence Confirms Safety of Aspartame
Aspartame Safety: Scientific Review
FDA Re-Affirms Safety;
Ramazzini Findings Unsupported
Aspartame’s Safety Supported by Numerous Health and Regulatory Groups.
Recent Comments on the Safety of Aspartame and its Alleged
Relationship to Cancer
Review of Lymphatic and Hematopoietic Cancer Incidence Trends & Consumption of Aspartame
Is aspartame safe?
Aspartame is safe. It has been tested for more than three decades, in more than 200 studies, with the same result: Aspartame is safe for use. In fact, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) Commissioner, upon approving aspartame, noted, “Few compounds have withstood such detailed testing and repeated, close scrutiny, and the process through which aspartame has gone should provide the public with additional confidence of its safety.”
Have other regulatory bodies reviewed aspartame’s safety?Yes. In addition to FDA, aspartame has been reviewed and determined to be safe by the Joint Expert Committee on Food Additives (JECFA) of the Food and Agriculture Organization/World Health Organization, the Scientific Committee on Food of the European Union, and the regulatory bodies of over 100 countries.
Have independent health organizations reviewed the safety of aspartame? Yes. The American Medical Association’s Council on Scientific Affairs, the American Diabetes Association, and the American Dietetic Association have reviewed research on aspartame and found it to be safe. Links to numerous other health organizations, which have confirmed the safety of aspartame, can be found at www.aspartame.org.
How was aspartame tested before it was approved for use in foods?
Aspartame is one of the most thoroughly studied ingredients in the food supply. It was tested in more than 100 scientific studies before the FDA approved it in 1981.
The studies were conducted in laboratory animals and several subpopulations of humans, including healthy infants, children, and adults, lactating women, people with diabetes, obese individuals, and people who are carriers of the rare genetic disease phenylketonuria (PKU).
Individuals with PKU cannot properly metabolize phenylalanine, one of aspartame’s components. After approval, extensive additional research was done. The results further confirmed the safety of aspartame for the general population.
How is aspartame handled in the body?
Upon digestion, aspartame breaks down into three components (aspartic acid, phenylalanine and methanol), which are then absorbed into the blood and used in normal body processes. Neither aspartame nor its components accumulates in the body. These components are used in the body in the same ways as when they are derived from common foods.
Further, the amounts of these components from aspartame are small compared to the amounts from other food sources. For example, a serving of no-fat milk provides about 6 times more phenylalanine and 13 times more aspartic acid compared to an equivalent amount of diet beverage sweetened 100% with aspartame. Likewise, a serving of tomato juice provides about 6 times more methanol compared to an equivalent amount of diet beverage with aspartame.
What is methanol and is it a problem in consuming aspartame?
Methanol is a natural and harmless breakdown product of many commonly consumed foods. The methanol produced during the digestion of aspartame is identical to that which is provided in much larger amounts from many fruits, vegetables and their juices and is part of the normal diet.
In fact, a glass of tomato juice provides about 6 times as much methanol as an equivalent amount of diet beverage sweetened with aspartame. Regardless of the source, after methanol is formed it is further broken down through normal body processes. Numerous scientific studies have shown that the amount of methanol one could consume from aspartame containing foods and beverages could not reach harmful levels.
Does aspartame cause adverse health effects?
No. The overwhelming body of scientific evidence clearly demonstrates that aspartame, even in amounts many times more than what people typically consume, is safe and not associated with adverse health effects.
The FDA has investigated alleged complaints since 1982 and stated that there is no “reasonable evidence of possible public health harm” and “no consistent or unique patterns of symptoms reported with respect to aspartame that can be causally linked to its use.” The trend for anecdotal reports of adverse effects from aspartame declined markedly over the years since the 1985 peak, when there were many unfounded allegations about aspartame in the media.
In 1984, the FDA commissioned the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) to review complaints which some consumers related to their use of aspartame. After a review of 517 complaints, the CDC found that the complaints “do not provide evidence of the existence of serious, widespread, adverse health consequences attendant to the use of aspartame.” The CDC further noted, “the majority of frequently reported symptoms were mild and are symptoms that are common in the general populace.”
In response to these complaints, numerous additional scientific studies were done by prominent researchers at major academic institutions; the results of these studies overwhelmingly demonstrated that aspartame is not associated with adverse health effects, including headaches, seizures, changes in mood, cognition, or behavior, or allergic reactions.
Is it true that aspartame is an “excitotoxin?”
No. An “excitotoxin” is a substance that reportedly over-stimulates brain and nerve cells. Critics have falsely claimed that ingestion of aspartame may result in high blood levels of aspartic acid, which would circulate to the brain and kill nerve cells. However, extensive scientific research has shown that it is not possible for a person ever to consume enough aspartame in the diet �?? even over long periods of time - to result in high blood levels of aspartic acid.
Is there any truth to the negative information about aspartame on the Internet or in the media?
No. Allegations spread via the Internet and the media by a few individuals that aspartame may be associated with a myriad of ailments are not based on science. These have come to be called �??urban myths.�??
Here is what the National Multiple Sclerosis Society of Canada had to say about such allegations:
�??These stories claim that Aspartame is the cause of a variety of illnesses, including MS, lupus, Alzheimer disease, Parkinson disease, birth defects, Desert Storm syndrome, brain tumors, and seizures. However, please bear in mind the following:
The claims are not documented;
There is no evidence for “epidemics” of multiple sclerosis, lupus, and some of the other diseases as claimed in the articles;
There is no evidence that authors of the claims have any scientific, medical, or academic credentials; nor is there any evidence that they have done any scientific research to support their claims; and
No published, peer-reviewed scientific research exists that supports the claims being made in the articles.�??
The safety of aspartame has been proven again and again, backed by more than three decades of research and over 200 scientific studies. Recently, several governments and expert committees carefully evaluated the Internet allegations and found them to be false, reconfirming the safety of aspartame. In addition, leading health authorities, such as the American Medical Association, the American Dietetic Association, and the American Diabetes Association, agree that aspartame is safe.
Home | What is Aspartame? | Aspartame in the Diet | Safety of Aspartame
Aspartame Use by Special Groups | Other Aspartame Resources
Aspartame Q&A Brochure(pdf)
That is pretty readable and the credentials of proponents of it's safety speaks for itself. Now you guys can go ahead and have a soda with it, or use it in your iced tea and sleep soundly ok?
ToneBone
[quote]HK24719 wrote:
Acebgd12 wrote:
I’m not gonna get into the aspartame debate, but I just wanted to say that the word chemical is getting thrown around in a lot of ways it shouldn’t be.
EVERYTHING is a chemical. The word chemical means nothing negative, and just because aspartame is one, doesn’t mean it’s harmful.
I’m glad you said this b/c I was thinking it.
It drives me crazy when someone starts talking about not wanting to put a bunch of “chemicals” in their body.
[/quote]
Who the hell said that? I think you people just pick and choose what you want to see/hear/read.
[quote]Kalle wrote:
I am pretty sure the curd is the casein protein which is good stuff to.
No idea about cheeses
milk is 80% whey 20% casein I believe.
Diet Soda is for queers[/quote]
I didn’t know that Kalle. Thanks for the approx breakdown.
lol You mean diet soda doesn’t give you hawt abzzzzzzz?
[quote]MsM wrote:
HK24719 wrote:
It drives me crazy when someone starts talking about not wanting to put a bunch of “chemicals” in their body.
Who the hell said that? I think you people just pick and choose what you want to see/hear/read.[/quote]
I hear people say things like that all the time. I never implied it had anything to do with you, though.
I think you’re a little over-sensitive in this thread.
[quote]HK24719 wrote:
MsM wrote:
HK24719 wrote:
It drives me crazy when someone starts talking about not wanting to put a bunch of “chemicals” in their body.
Who the hell said that? I think you people just pick and choose what you want to see/hear/read.
I hear people say things like that all the time. I never implied it had anything to do with you, though.
I think you’re a little over-sensitive in this thread.
[/quote]
You are absolutely right and I’m annoyed with myself for letting it bother me. The thing is, if you’d taken the time to even find out who I was, you’d know that I’d be one of the LEAST likely people here to be preaching about chemicals.
Part of a forum is the discussion. A discussion involves more than one opinion and there are usually studies that can be generated on both sides. In short, have an open mind and take into account all of the information before you knock it. I was once referred to as “probably the nicest poster on this forum” but as everyone else, I can have off-days and get pissed off with the best of them.
Back to diet soda, pork and milk.
Basically op of the things listed non of the mare ‘bad’ for you like say alcohol or cigarettes. They are just not optimal for dieting. If you like pork, milk, and diet coke go ahead and use them you are not causing yourself any ‘harm.’
Pork doesn’t have fucking trichinosis anymore. Period.
It was common in the past due to the habit of feeding garbage to hogs, but as the practice has ceased, so too has the rate of infection. There’s like 12 cases a year in the USA, and all of those are attributed to the consumption of wild game.
source: CDC - Parasites
I’d agree that it’s not sufficient as a mainstay in a diet due to the higher fat content, however.
What the fuck… all the diet soda drinkers have some kind of knot in their panties. Go ahead and drink it if you want, don’t lie to yourself and try and say it’s good shit. If you’re not afraid then don’t be.
[quote]hockechamp14 wrote:
What the fuck… all the diet soda drinkers have some kind of knot in their panties. Go ahead and drink it if you want, don’t lie to yourself and try and say it’s good shit. If you’re not afraid then don’t be.[/quote]
I’ve drank diet coke for many years and it has had no adverse affects, of course its not as good as green tea and water no one will argue with that. Yet its extremely over exaggerated how bad it is for you. Thats basically what the people defending it are trying to get at.
[quote]marathe wrote:
Pork doesn’t have fucking trichinosis anymore. Period. [/quote]
Gotta be kiddin’ me!
There are thousands of cases of trichinosis every year, and lots of people die from it.
What planet is it where “pork doesn’t have fucking trichinosis anymore”?
Come on guys… the key word is MODERATION
A can of diet coke a day isn’t going to hurt you. It’s still a HELL of a lot better for you than the full sugar stuff that most people drink. If you REALLY need a coke fix or really enjoy the taste, then go for the diet stuff.
Lean cuts of pork aren’t going to hurt you. As long as you buy good quality stuff and cook it thoroughly I wouldn’t worry about it
A glass of milk isn’t going to ruin your entire weight-lifting efforts either. Yes it creates a rise in insulin, but so do a lot of things which people have no problem eating. There’s no reason you can’t fit it into a diet if you have enough room for the calories and carbs. For skinny guys bulking up, milk is a very easy way of getting the calories.
Again - MODERATION. If you’re drinking 8 cans of coke a day, eating half a pig a day and drinking a gallon of milk every single day, THEN you could start to worry about the effects.
Soda of any kind is bad as a regular thing. It puts you in the wrong mindset to eat healthy foods.
Soda Bad!