Did Noahs Arc Really Happen

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]WormwoodTheory wrote:
There was flooding in the Fertile Crecent/Mesopotamia area a few thousand years ago. Much like farmers and animals who can (somewhat) predict the weather through patterns, A GUY (who was later adopted by Sumerians, Arabs, Israelis, Christians, and just about everyone else) loaded the local fauna on a ship he built to weather this storm.

The locals probably thought he was fucking loony, because it was just as likely for there to not be a storm at all.

Farmer’s Almanac guy and the March 3rd storm? it was pretty much that on a larger scale.

So it rains, old ass primitive levies probably burst and the coastal cities and surrounding farmland flooded. Livestock drowned, crops were destroyed, dumbass peasants got trapped in their houses and died. I doubt there were forty foot waves, but enough flooding to drown quite a few cows.

GUY makes landfall on a hillside (i think they actually found ship parts, gotta check) builds a shelter and chills out until his crib isn’t a flooded wasteland anymore. The story has been so exaggerated throughout the years, and then the current monotheism comes along (Christian, Islam, Judaism) and REALLY blows it out of proportion.

ever play whisper down the alley?[/quote]

You nailed it.

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[quote]horsepuss wrote:
it would be interesting to find out if the sumerians had any records of a great flood and an arc.
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They have the Epic of Gilgamesh. He builds an arc early on in the story on his quest for immortality.

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^^^^^^

yeah I read your post about the sumerians after I posted mine, You seem to be very up to speed on the sumerians.

What are youre thoughts on the annunaki and nibiru

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[quote]horsepuss wrote:
^^^^^^

yeah I read your post about the sumerians after I posted mine, You seem to be very up to speed on the sumerians.

What are youre thoughts on the annunaki and nibiru[/quote]

I’m reading about them both now. The Annunaki, on the surface, sound like the Babylonian version of Titans. I guess the relation would be that instead of residing on Mt. Olympus, the Anunna existed on the 12th planet, Nibiru. I don’t know much about Astronomy in ancient Sumeria, but the fact they possessed instruments to see Neptune, let alone Pluto is is pretty crazy.

Assuming they had the tools to see Pluto, I’m guessing that the abysmal amount of light bouncing off of Pluto was enough to illuminate Charon, making it seem like there was a planet beyond Pluto. But the conditions for them to be able to see the outer planets clearly enough to discern them from the stars around them must have been fragile at best. high altitudes, clear skies, and alignment of one of the larger gas giants to throw light that deep into space…?

I think maybe they were counting Sirius and other bright stars in the sky as planets.

That might explain where the hell they got 3 extra planets from, I count 9.

Oh, one last thing, although it’s been denounced by astronomers, some folks claim the 12th planet could have been a brown dwarf. binary star systems are pretty common, especially among our class of star. It could have been far enough away yet dim enough that the last meager light emanating from it became undetectable a few thousands years ago. I think something so massive would have been picked up on by now, but i though I heard something recently about the wobble of the sun indicating there’s more than 9 planets in our solar system. okay, 8 and one planetoid.

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Zecharia Sitchin’s idea of Nibiru is retarded, though.

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[quote]WormwoodTheory wrote:

[quote]horsepuss wrote:
^^^^^^

yeah I read your post about the sumerians after I posted mine, You seem to be very up to speed on the sumerians.

What are youre thoughts on the annunaki and nibiru[/quote]

I’m reading about them both now. The Annunaki, on the surface, sound like the Babylonian version of Titans. I guess the relation would be that instead of residing on Mt. Olympus, the Anunna existed on the 12th planet, Nibiru. I don’t know much about Astronomy in ancient Sumeria, but the fact they possessed instruments to see Neptune, let alone Pluto is is pretty crazy.

Assuming they had the tools to see Pluto, I’m guessing that the abysmal amount of light bouncing off of Pluto was enough to illuminate Charon, making it seem like there was a planet beyond Pluto. But the conditions for them to be able to see the outer planets clearly enough to discern them from the stars around them must have been fragile at best. high altitudes, clear skies, and alignment of one of the larger gas giants to throw light that deep into space…?

I think maybe they were counting Polaris and other bright stars in the sky as planets.

That might explain where the hell they got 3 extra planets from, I count 9.

Oh, one last thing, although it’s been denounced by astronomers, some folks claim the 12th planet could have been a brown dwarf. binary star systems are pretty common, especially among our class of star. It could have been far enough away yet dim enough that the last meager light emanating from it became undetectable a few thousands years ago. I think something so massive would have been picked up on by now, but i though I heard something recently about the wobble of the sun indicating there’s more than 9 planets in our solar system. okay, 8 and one planetoid. [/quote]

have you read about the new satellite that NASA put into orbit in january.Its called the WISE,wide field infrared satellite explorer.It has allready found lots of stuff floating right around earth that is so cold and dark that it doesnt reflect any light or heat signature.I am very anxious to see how much other stuff they find with it and if they find Nibiru.If Nibiru is a brown dwarf then it would have very hard to detect in the past but may not be now.

and the sumerians knowledge of the distant planets is fucking crazy.

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I think only in America there is even a discussion between teaching creationism and evolution

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[quote]horsepuss wrote:

[quote]WormwoodTheory wrote:

[quote]horsepuss wrote:
^^^^^^

yeah I read your post about the sumerians after I posted mine, You seem to be very up to speed on the sumerians.

What are youre thoughts on the annunaki and nibiru[/quote]

I’m reading about them both now. The Annunaki, on the surface, sound like the Babylonian version of Titans. I guess the relation would be that instead of residing on Mt. Olympus, the Anunna existed on the 12th planet, Nibiru. I don’t know much about Astronomy in ancient Sumeria, but the fact they possessed instruments to see Neptune, let alone Pluto is is pretty crazy.

Assuming they had the tools to see Pluto, I’m guessing that the abysmal amount of light bouncing off of Pluto was enough to illuminate Charon, making it seem like there was a planet beyond Pluto. But the conditions for them to be able to see the outer planets clearly enough to discern them from the stars around them must have been fragile at best. high altitudes, clear skies, and alignment of one of the larger gas giants to throw light that deep into space…?

I think maybe they were counting Polaris and other bright stars in the sky as planets.

That might explain where the hell they got 3 extra planets from, I count 9.

Oh, one last thing, although it’s been denounced by astronomers, some folks claim the 12th planet could have been a brown dwarf. binary star systems are pretty common, especially among our class of star. It could have been far enough away yet dim enough that the last meager light emanating from it became undetectable a few thousands years ago. I think something so massive would have been picked up on by now, but i though I heard something recently about the wobble of the sun indicating there’s more than 9 planets in our solar system. okay, 8 and one planetoid. [/quote]

have you read about the new satellite that NASA put into orbit in january.Its called the WISE,wide field infrared satellite explorer.It has allready found lots of stuff floating right around earth that is so cold and dark that it doesnt reflect any light or heat signature.I am very anxious to see how much other stuff they find with it and if they find Nibiru.If Nibiru is a brown dwarf then it would have very hard to detect in the past but may not be now.

and the sumerians knowledge of the distant planets is fucking crazy.[/quote]

“lots of stuff floating right around earth that is so cold and dark that it doesnt reflect any light or heat signature.” haven’t the guys at NASA read Harry Potter? They’re dementors.

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[quote]horsepuss wrote:

[quote]WormwoodTheory wrote:

[quote]horsepuss wrote:
^^^^^^

yeah I read your post about the sumerians after I posted mine, You seem to be very up to speed on the sumerians.

What are youre thoughts on the annunaki and nibiru[/quote]

I’m reading about them both now. The Annunaki, on the surface, sound like the Babylonian version of Titans. I guess the relation would be that instead of residing on Mt. Olympus, the Anunna existed on the 12th planet, Nibiru. I don’t know much about Astronomy in ancient Sumeria, but the fact they possessed instruments to see Neptune, let alone Pluto is is pretty crazy.

Assuming they had the tools to see Pluto, I’m guessing that the abysmal amount of light bouncing off of Pluto was enough to illuminate Charon, making it seem like there was a planet beyond Pluto. But the conditions for them to be able to see the outer planets clearly enough to discern them from the stars around them must have been fragile at best. high altitudes, clear skies, and alignment of one of the larger gas giants to throw light that deep into space…?

I think maybe they were counting Polaris and other bright stars in the sky as planets.

That might explain where the hell they got 3 extra planets from, I count 9.

Oh, one last thing, although it’s been denounced by astronomers, some folks claim the 12th planet could have been a brown dwarf. binary star systems are pretty common, especially among our class of star. It could have been far enough away yet dim enough that the last meager light emanating from it became undetectable a few thousands years ago. I think something so massive would have been picked up on by now, but i though I heard something recently about the wobble of the sun indicating there’s more than 9 planets in our solar system. okay, 8 and one planetoid. [/quote]

have you read about the new satellite that NASA put into orbit in january.Its called the WISE,wide field infrared satellite explorer.It has allready found lots of stuff floating right around earth that is so cold and dark that it doesnt reflect any light or heat signature.I am very anxious to see how much other stuff they find with it and if they find Nibiru.If Nibiru is a brown dwarf then it would have very hard to detect in the past but may not be now.

and the sumerians knowledge of the distant planets is fucking crazy.[/quote]

Yeah, i’m definitely interested in what they’ll find.

It just makes me wonder though, brown dwarfs are intense. They have deep gravity wells and are incredibly hot and dense. You’d think somebody would have found SOMETHING by now.

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[quote]Kerley wrote:

[quote]wigsa wrote:

[quote]Kerley wrote:
i am officially leaving the catholic church soon, i have the forms just got to fill them out and post them.[/quote]

Fair play to you.I don’t know how people go to mass in this country and allow themselves be preached to by members of such a hideous organisation.I’m not at the stage yet where I’d leave though,I dunno what it is,you can probably understand though and have gone through this stage before yourself.[/quote]

yeah i think its nuts to go to mass these days, i haven’t been religious really in years and haven’t gone to mass in years either but never thought of officially leaving until all this recent shit came out you know about how they protected pedophiles and they wont admit that what these guys did was wrong or anything, its just completely wrong and i dont wanna be apart of anything like that. [/quote]

You have to realize that all people fall on the bell curve. No matter what type of organization of which you are a part, you’ll always have the pedophiles or other messed up people. They do not define an entire religion.

While I admit there are some mindless followers who do not think for themselves, there are plenty of people that think and conceptualize the ideas and relate them to their lives. I also admit that I think the Church can be a dog and pony show sometimes, but believing in the concepts behind it is what keeps you there. You focus on the good. Being an agnostic or atheist does not make you intelligent. In fact, it’s easy to go that way because some aspects of religion don’t make any sense. It’s all about faith. Are you secure enough in your intelligence that you can let yourself believe in a higher power just because…?

Regardless, I believe people are entitled to believe whatever they want.

Also, Professor X and some others have hit the nail on the head. The bible is not a history textbook. Any fool can see that.

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[quote]theOUTLAW wrote:
You have to realize that all people fall on the bell curve. No matter what type of organization of which you are a part, you’ll always have the pedophiles or other messed up people. They do not define an entire religion.

[/quote]

Bullshit.The proportion of paedophiles to priests in Ireland is fucking outrageous.And it’s being revealed as being the same all across Europe at the moment,including in the pope’s diocese when he was a bishop.He knew and covered it up.

Do you know 1 in 4 adults in Ireland have been sexually abused by a member of the Catholic Church?

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I learned in 1st grade as well that a lot of the stories in the bible are only there to teach a lesson such as the earth was created in 7 days etc. It’s either a sacred text or its not. They didn’t used to teach it that way. Every word was law and not just there to teach a lesson. So the earth wasn’t created in 7 days anymore because science disproved it so now its hyperbole and just a nice story. Thats convenient. But when there is soo much Bullshit in there I don’t see how anywone could believe the rest of the “magic” in there. Like when the wizard Jesus came back from the dead. The church doesn’t say thats just a story to teach a lesson. They say its fact. So I say… take all the moral teaching from the bible and learn from that and throw the rest in the garbage.

I believe Thomas Jefferson actually did that. He edited out all the magic spells and what not and just left the good stuff. I have never read the Jeffersonian bible but that man was ahead of his time. I’m fond of the colonial diest views in general.

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Noah’s Arc is a myth, nothing more. The Ten Commandments and Moses however are for real.

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This is a free world and everyone has there own opinion on Noah’s Arc and religion for that matter, But I’m a born again Christian, I was saved on the 5th of November 2008(meaning that this is when I trusted Jesus Christ as my personal savior, accepting that his death on the cross was to be my substitute. We are all sinners by nature and according to the Holy Bible the wages of sin is death, So by my trusting in him as the only son of God, a sinless individual who gave himself as a sacrifice for sinner’s (hense john’s 3:16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” This mean’s that I know after trusting that Christ, Jesus is who he is that I have been saved and will have eternal life in God’s Kingdom Heaven.)

(Right now I am currently not living like a Christian my relationship with Christ will never Change because my soul was bought with the price of his blood. I am not pleasing God at this time in my life, I drink and I have sex with my GF on a regular basis which is not how a typical Born again Christian should live)

I have read the Bible from front to cover many times, and I do in fact believe that this happened, Noah’s Arc, as far as the age people in the old testament lived to be, the scriptures explain that during these times the world was more pure than it is today, the air, creatures, there was less atmospheric pressure etc…and this is what accounts for the long lives of the people in the scriptures.

This may sound silly to most people and trust me it was silly to me until I understood it and read my Bible. I am NOT a religious freak, I don’t even go to Church anymore because I feel I am being a hypocrite. But I believe that the Bible is true and that it is the inspired word of God.

Interesting fact’s:

1 - The smart scientist thought that the earth was flat until the 1800’s but yet the Bible explains how the earth was a Sphere and rotated on an axis.

2 - God Told Noah to Build the arc 300 cubits in length (450 feet, or 135 meters); 50 cubits in width (75 feet, or 22.5 meters); 30 cubits in height (45 feet, or 13.5 meters). These are the EXACT same measurments that have been proven to be the most stable in any sea vessel

You can look this stuff up its for real! :slight_smile:

Anyways as I said I’m not a spiritual person (or at least not in this stage of my life) SO I wont ever talk about this on the forums or anything but I just thought I would voice my opinion.

Now to get to my Pre workout oatmeal and Whey, I’m heading to the gym in 30 minutes :slight_smile:

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[quote]Dave1986 wrote:
Interesting fact’s:

1 - The smart scientist thought that the earth was flat until the 1800’s but yet the Bible explains how the earth was a Sphere and rotated on an axis.

[/quote]

  1. I’m assuming you’ve never heard of Galileo?
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I have I have, my bad. But you get the symmetry I’m going for…

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Yes it’s certainly possible it can be percieved as true, if:

  1. You are mentally challenged and never got past the intellectual development of a five year old
  2. Really fucking high
  3. Hopelessly deluded
  4. A combination of all three above
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[quote]MementoMori wrote:
He was 500 Moons old, not years. At that point they did not know the Solar System was Helliocentric so how could they know the length of a year? New moon meant new year. Makes Methusella and Noah’s ages alot more reasonable no?

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Yeah, but if you take the bible literally, those are literal years.

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[quote]clip11 wrote:
I was wondering is the biblical story of Noahs ark really true. I mean for one, an impossibly old man, Noah, who was 500 years old when he started building the ark and 600 when he finished. And two of every animal in the world being rounded up is also impossible…that in itself raises alot of questions.

Is there any independent evidence of this happening?[/quote]

Of course it happened. The tooth fairy was the first mate, bigfoot was in charge of ship security, the Loch Ness Monster was the activities director, and the aliens were in charge of navigation. The aliens had some trouble because all of their crop circles were covered with water, but they managed. Oh yeah…I almost forgot…Santa was in charge of the animals. His experience with the reindeer helped.

Someone please explain to me why, in 2010, we are still dealing with these stories. How can people that presumably use logic and critical thinking to make decisions for their job switch off their brains when it comes to stories about magic gardens, talking snakes, and people getting swallowed by big fish?

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[quote]GumsMagoo wrote:
Noah’s Arc is a myth, nothing more. The Ten Commandments and Moses however are for real.

Win.