Remember the David and Goliath story?
I don’t think that happened in this Earth Realm due to the Dhyana teachings of all of the Buddhas/highly cultivated Enlightened Teachers. David was a small guy and Goliath was a big guy. This stuff has similarities with the Zues story and his Titan father. I’m assuming that Zues was a Deva/Proud God and his father was an Asura/Titan/Jealous God. BTW…a God or Saint is something very different from the Creator.
Also, Odin “gave up an eye for Wisdom”…he broke the cycle of something (and I don’t think that it was “suffering”)…teachings on cultivation lose clarity when translated from from one language to another. Odin (an Arhat) was something a hell of a lot higher than a Deva or an Asura.
It is best to ignore a lot of the cultivation teachings (Vedas/Yoga, Kaball(sp?), Daoism, even some of the Buddhist type stuff. Teachings got distorted over the hundreds and thousands of years. I’m not going to practice something as ridiculous as “mindfulness” of butthole just to add years or maybe days to my life.
[quote]clip11 wrote:
Is there any independent evidence of this happening?[/quote]
Yes. I was there, I saw it happen. Noah was pretty fit for an old dude. I asked him about it once, and he told me: “Squats and milk, all day, baby.”[/quote]
funniest thing i’ve read in ages,i love this website.
[quote]wigsa wrote:
Please tell me that was a troll post.Please.
And please tell me everyone who’s trying to say it could have happened is also trolling.Please.
I mean for fuck sake you’re not serious are you?It’s the most ridiculous story every invented and the only people who believe it happened are those creationist museum freaks who believe humans lived among dinosaurs.[/quote]
You seem very closed minded. Just because a story in the bible isn’t filled with scientific studies of proof doesn’t erase its relevance. As others noted, there is a flood story similar to Noah in every ancient civilization even before the estimated time that story was written.
Think about this for a second, in spite if the Bible being filled with allegory as it is meant to TEACH a lesson, how do you think ancient man would describe a devastating flood that erased all that he knew of the world? Do you really think this story was meant to say that every single possible living creature ever created could fit on a boat of that size?
People who try so hard to “disprove” the Bible that they ignore the intent of what is written completely miss the point.
It makes about as much sense as those who literally believe the Tower of Babel was a huge sky scraper.
Misconceptions like this make me wonder how you think ancient man would describe a tv. Do you think anything electrical or mechanical would be a part of his description?
The Bible was written in a way to reach a very large number of people using poetry, allegory and history. It wasn’t written like a textbook.
So, yes, there could have been a “Noah” and No, this does not mean the ENTIRE PLANET was necessarily under water.
[quote]wigsa wrote:
Please tell me that was a troll post.Please.
And please tell me everyone who’s trying to say it could have happened is also trolling.Please.
I mean for fuck sake you’re not serious are you?It’s the most ridiculous story every invented and the only people who believe it happened are those creationist museum freaks who believe humans lived among dinosaurs.[/quote]
You seem very closed minded. Just because a story in the bible isn’t filled with scientific studies of proof doesn’t erase its relevance. As others noted, there is a flood story similar to Noah in every ancient civilization even before the estimated time that story was written.
Think about this for a second, in spite if the Bible being filled with allegory as it is meant to TEACH a lesson, how do you think ancient man would describe a devastating flood that erased all that he knew of the world? Do you really think this story was meant to say that every single possible living creature ever created could fit on a boat of that size?
People who try so hard to “disprove” the Bible that they ignore the intent of what is written completely miss the point.
It makes about as much sense as those who literally believe the Tower of Babel was a huge sky scraper.
Misconceptions like this make me wonder how you think ancient man would describe a tv. Do you think anything electrical or mechanical would be a part of his description?
The Bible was written in a way to reach a very large number of people using poetry, allegory and history. It wasn’t written like a textbook.
So, yes, there could have been a “Noah” and No, this does not mean the ENTIRE PLANET was necessarily under water.[/quote]
good post!
and on the 7th day the professor rested because he ended the thread.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
You seem very closed minded. Just because a story in the bible isn’t filled with scientific studies of proof doesn’t erase its relevance. As others noted, there is a flood story similar to Noah in every ancient civilization even before the estimated time that story was written.
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I’m not close minded,quite the opposite in fact.I was raised as a strict Catholic by my family and my schools,both primary and secondary.My secondary school is run by Benedictine Monks.I was very proud and passionate about Catholicism till I was about 16 and started to question the flaws I saw in so many parts of the religion.
I started reading literature from a variety of religious beliefs,atheism included.I’m now an Agnostic.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
You seem very closed minded. Just because a story in the bible isn’t filled with scientific studies of proof doesn’t erase its relevance. As others noted, there is a flood story similar to Noah in every ancient civilization even before the estimated time that story was written.
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I’m not close minded,quite the opposite in fact.I was raised as a strict Catholic by my family and my schools,both primary and secondary.My secondary school is run by Benedictine Monks.I was very proud and passionate about Catholicism till I was about 16 and started to question the flaws I saw in so many parts of the religion.
I started reading literature from a variety of religious beliefs,atheism included.I’m now an Agnostic.[/quote]
i am officially leaving the catholic church soon, i have the forms just got to fill them out and post them.
There was flooding in the Fertile Crecent/Mesopotamia area a few thousand years ago. Much like farmers and animals who can (somewhat) predict the weather through patterns, A GUY (who was later adopted by Sumerians, Arabs, Israelis, Christians, and just about everyone else) loaded the local fauna on a ship he built to weather this storm.
The locals probably thought he was fucking loony, because it was just as likely for there to not be a storm at all.
Farmer’s Almanac guy and the March 3rd storm? it was pretty much that on a larger scale.
So it rains, old ass primitive levies probably burst and the coastal cities and surrounding farmland flooded. Livestock drowned, crops were destroyed, dumbass peasants got trapped in their houses and died. I doubt there were forty foot waves, but enough flooding to drown quite a few cows.
GUY makes landfall on a hillside (i think they actually found ship parts, gotta check) builds a shelter and chills out until his crib isn’t a flooded wasteland anymore. The story has been so exaggerated throughout the years, and then the current monotheism comes along (Christian, Islam, Judaism) and REALLY blows it out of proportion.
and on the 7th day the professor rested because he ended the thread.[/quote]
Well, there are certainly a few on this site who would argue that the flood - and Noah’s role in it - literally happened.
So, no. My guess is this thread isn’t even close to ending.[/quote]
well i didnt expect it to really end but it should end with his post.
EDIT: i dont think a rational debate about it should end, but when you start talking about religion and things of that nature the threads usually go to shit.
[quote]WormwoodTheory wrote:
There was flooding in the Fertile Crecent/Mesopotamia area a few thousand years ago. Much like farmers and animals who can (somewhat) predict the weather through patterns, A GUY (who was later adopted by Sumerians, Arabs, Israelis, Christians, and just about everyone else) loaded the local fauna on a ship he built to weather this storm.
The locals probably thought he was fucking loony, because it was just as likely for there to not be a storm at all.
Farmer’s Almanac guy and the March 3rd storm? it was pretty much that on a larger scale.
So it rains, old ass primitive levies probably burst and the coastal cities and surrounding farmland flooded. Livestock drowned, crops were destroyed, dumbass peasants got trapped in their houses and died. I doubt there were forty foot waves, but enough flooding to drown quite a few cows.
GUY makes landfall on a hillside (i think they actually found ship parts, gotta check) builds a shelter and chills out until his crib isn’t a flooded wasteland anymore. The story has been so exaggerated throughout the years, and then the current monotheism comes along (Christian, Islam, Judaism) and REALLY blows it out of proportion.
[quote]Kerley wrote:
i am officially leaving the catholic church soon, i have the forms just got to fill them out and post them.[/quote]
Fair play to you.I don’t know how people go to mass in this country and allow themselves be preached to by members of such a hideous organisation.I’m not at the stage yet where I’d leave though,I dunno what it is,you can probably understand though and have gone through this stage before yourself.
[quote]WormwoodTheory wrote:
The story has been so exaggerated throughout the years, and then the current monotheism comes along (Christian, Islam, Judaism) and REALLY blows it out of proportion.[/quote]
One reason might be that kids are taught these stories at a young age (I was). When you’re young enough, you’ll believe that stuff actually happened. Same applies to other stories (tower of Babel, Jonah being eaten by the big fish, etc.)
Once the kids grow up, they’ll continue to believe these stories/parables as absolute truths or use it as grounds to completely dismiss the religion. Not enough people put these stories into context to figure out what might have really happened or why they were presented in this manner.
[quote]WormwoodTheory wrote:
There was flooding in the Fertile Crecent/Mesopotamia area a few thousand years ago. Much like farmers and animals who can (somewhat) predict the weather through patterns, A GUY (who was later adopted by Sumerians, Arabs, Israelis, Christians, and just about everyone else) loaded the local fauna on a ship he built to weather this storm.
The locals probably thought he was fucking loony, because it was just as likely for there to not be a storm at all.
Farmer’s Almanac guy and the March 3rd storm? it was pretty much that on a larger scale.
So it rains, old ass primitive levies probably burst and the coastal cities and surrounding farmland flooded. Livestock drowned, crops were destroyed, dumbass peasants got trapped in their houses and died. I doubt there were forty foot waves, but enough flooding to drown quite a few cows.
GUY makes landfall on a hillside (i think they actually found ship parts, gotta check) builds a shelter and chills out until his crib isn’t a flooded wasteland anymore. The story has been so exaggerated throughout the years, and then the current monotheism comes along (Christian, Islam, Judaism) and REALLY blows it out of proportion.
ever play whisper down the alley?[/quote]
Wow… This sounds so…REALISTIC.
I like it.
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I wouldn’t doubt that HE thought his god was the one sending him messages about the storm coming. But this all happened waaaay before the birth of Christ, or the rise of Rome. So his flavor of religion died out long before the ones we know today.
[quote]Kerley wrote:
i am officially leaving the catholic church soon, i have the forms just got to fill them out and post them.[/quote]
Fair play to you.I don’t know how people go to mass in this country and allow themselves be preached to by members of such a hideous organisation.I’m not at the stage yet where I’d leave though,I dunno what it is,you can probably understand though and have gone through this stage before yourself.[/quote]
Can’t say much about the Catholic church since I’m not too familiar with the ins and outs of it, but what bothers me is that (from my perspective) it seems to be more of a culture/identity than an actual religion. Sure, it’s driven by most of the same principles as Protestant denominations, but I just feel like there’s way too much dogma involved and not enough actual understanding of the faith.
A perfect example is lent. I have yet to meet a single person who takes the 40-day period seriously (by serious I mean giving up something that actually means something to you and thinking about your faith when you would normally eat/drink/do what you gave up).
I really do need to take a theology course so I can get a better understanding of Catholicism and other religions.
[quote]Kerley wrote:
i am officially leaving the catholic church soon, i have the forms just got to fill them out and post them.[/quote]
Fair play to you.I don’t know how people go to mass in this country and allow themselves be preached to by members of such a hideous organisation.I’m not at the stage yet where I’d leave though,I dunno what it is,you can probably understand though and have gone through this stage before yourself.[/quote]
yeah i think its nuts to go to mass these days, i haven’t been religious really in years and haven’t gone to mass in years either but never thought of officially leaving until all this recent shit came out you know about how they protected pedophiles and they wont admit that what these guys did was wrong or anything, its just completely wrong and i dont wanna be apart of anything like that.
[quote]WormwoodTheory wrote:
The story has been so exaggerated throughout the years, and then the current monotheism comes along (Christian, Islam, Judaism) and REALLY blows it out of proportion.[/quote]
One reason might be that kids are taught these stories at a young age (I was). When you’re young enough, you’ll believe that stuff actually happened. Same applies to other stories (tower of Babel, Jonah being eaten by the big fish, etc.)
Once the kids grow up, they’ll continue to believe these stories/parables as absolute truths or use it as grounds to completely dismiss the religion. Not enough people put these stories into context to figure out what might have really happened or why they were presented in this manner.[/quote]
usually the biggest change to the story is a moral implication plus divine intervention. Somebody learns a lesson or calls upon their deity. usually both.
it teaches morals and worship, which makes perfect sense.
A great majority of folks take religious text as a history lesson instead of a lesson on how to live your life.
it would be interesting to find out if the sumerians had any records of a great flood and an arc.
if you believe that the sumerians and the annunaki are the real creators and gods then its very possible to imagine that maybe the annunaki told the sumarians to do this and it then got recoreded into the bible and the story was changed alittle.
when the sumerian tablets where translated they basically said the same thing as the old testament and the book of enoch.