This is an interesting article: http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2010/04/latest_ark_finding_is_a_fake.php
Yeah, and I should make it clear that I’m not jumping on that article as proof I’m right.
[quote]Rational Gaze wrote:
I’d be interested to know what kind of process produced all the diverse life on Earth from only a handful of species in the ark over a period of a few thousand years.[/quote]
Why does everyone have the idea in there head that the WHOLE earth flooded and everything that wasnt on the Ark must have died.Couldnt it be possible that only a region of earth flooded causing someone to build a boat and keep his animals on it, like a farmer for example.
It is well accepted that babylon flooded during its height, I think someone foresaw it and prepared for it.
Mt. Ararat is at the edge of the right side of Turkey and Babylon was in northern Iraq.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[Edit] One might also consider the source of this article: “Evolution, development, and random biological ejaculations from a godless liberal.”
Wonder if it’s possible he has an axe to grind?[/quote]
The source may well be biased, but that doesn’t necessarily mean it’s not true. I also found this: http://www.worldofthebible.com/news.htm
[quote]horsepuss wrote:
Why does everyone have the idea in there head that the WHOLE earth flooded and everything that wasnt on the Ark must have died.Couldnt it be possible that only a region of earth flooded causing someone to build a boat and keep his animals on it, like a farmer for example.[/quote]
Like I said, I have no trouble believing like that kind of story, it’s the miraculous version in the Bible that I think is unlikely to be true.
Something I thought about yesterday and someone please fill in the blanks for me, In the tale of Noahs ark he takes 2 of every animal and floats around for awhile untill the water recedes.Then what, what happenes to all the people.
I dont remember anything about him taking one of every race onto the boat, so where do all these races come from. If everyone drowned than how did we get here. Did Noah shoot a load onto a dandylion and let photosynthesis do the job.
[quote]horsepuss wrote:
Something I thought about yesterday and someone please fill in the blanks for me, In the tale of Noahs ark he takes 2 of every animal and floats around for awhile untill the water recedes.Then what, what happenes to all the people.
I dont remember anything about him taking one of every race onto the boat, so where do all these races come from. If everyone drowned than how did we get here. Did Noah shoot a load onto a dandylion and let photosynthesis do the job.[/quote]
Awsome!
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[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]horsepuss wrote:
Something I thought about yesterday and someone please fill in the blanks for me, In the tale of Noahs ark he takes 2 of every animal and floats around for awhile untill the water recedes.Then what, what happenes to all the people.
I dont remember anything about him taking one of every race onto the boat, so where do all these races come from. If everyone drowned than how did we get here. Did Noah shoot a load onto a dandylion and let photosynthesis do the job.[/quote]
Wow.[/quote]
What, you mean world of warcraft.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]anonym wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
What I do know is Mr. Zimansky was not alive 4800 years ago and therefore completely incapable of administering the scientific method which invariably requires observation and experimentation.
Another question, what if another university historian/archaeologist who specializes in that particular region came up with a different date frame for what was happening archeologically in Turkey at that time? Who would be “right?” Mr. Zimansky or the other guy?[/quote]
So what you are saying is because no one was actually alive to personally observe various historical events firsthand, we should disregard all evidence, no matter how sound or plentiful, as to what occurred because we can’t experiment to be sure? Or do you perhaps feel he is simply spitballing in regards to what he feels was happening at that point in history?
This is, of course, keeping in mind the fact that we are talking about a giant flood that lasted quite some time and supposedly decimated entire civilizations, not quibbling over the fine print of history texts.
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Welcome to the thought process of the biblethumper. Good luck trying to figure it out amigo.[/quote]
Push, I do admit that it just now occurred to me how incongruent your apparent religious beliefs are with your advertised life style. Would you care to reconcile that little apparent paradox for those of us who are curious?
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
Push, I do admit that it just now occurred to me how incongruent your apparent religious beliefs are with your advertised life style. Would you care to reconcile that little apparent paradox for those of us who are curious?
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For those not in the know, what’s this all about?
[quote]Rational Gaze wrote:
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
Push, I do admit that it just now occurred to me how incongruent your apparent religious beliefs are with your advertised life style. Would you care to reconcile that little apparent paradox for those of us who are curious?
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For those not in the know, what’s this all about?[/quote]
Well, and I don’t like to speak for anyone but judging from his posts, my impression is that his religious views are fairly conventional, maybe even dogmatic. In contrast, he has posted within this very site on numerous ocassions the sex exploits of he and his partner and their swinging lifestyle which strikes one as wholly incompatible with my perception of his religious beliefs. Sooo, I’m a bit curious.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]anonym wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
What I do know is Mr. Zimansky was not alive 4800 years ago and therefore completely incapable of administering the scientific method which invariably requires observation and experimentation.
Another question, what if another university historian/archaeologist who specializes in that particular region came up with a different date frame for what was happening archeologically in Turkey at that time? Who would be “right?” Mr. Zimansky or the other guy?[/quote]
So what you are saying is because no one was actually alive to personally observe various historical events firsthand, we should disregard all evidence, no matter how sound or plentiful, as to what occurred because we can’t experiment to be sure? Or do you perhaps feel he is simply spitballing in regards to what he feels was happening at that point in history?
This is, of course, keeping in mind the fact that we are talking about a giant flood that lasted quite some time and supposedly decimated entire civilizations, not quibbling over the fine print of history texts.
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Welcome to the thought process of the biblethumper. Good luck trying to figure it out amigo.[/quote]
Push, I do admit that it just now occurred to me how incongruent your apparent religious beliefs are with your advertised life style. Would you care to reconcile that little apparent paradox for those of us who are curious?
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Done it many times extensively on several other threads. It has nothing to do with a discussion about Noah’s Ark. PM me or use google. Keywords: pushharder, lust, adultery, covet, sex, Divine Sex. The latest thread (about two months or so ago) lists links to the previous threads. I’ve explained things so much that I simply don’t need to go over old ground again especially here.
You’re about the fifth person in the last month to bring this up on PWI and it is a perfectly appropriate question for another place and I don’t mind you mentioning it.[/quote]
You gave me a homework assignment - no thanks :). I did peruse the piety post and get your drift. It’s an interesting topic. Thank you.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]anonym wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
What I do know is Mr. Zimansky was not alive 4800 years ago and therefore completely incapable of administering the scientific method which invariably requires observation and experimentation.
Another question, what if another university historian/archaeologist who specializes in that particular region came up with a different date frame for what was happening archeologically in Turkey at that time? Who would be “right?” Mr. Zimansky or the other guy?[/quote]
So what you are saying is because no one was actually alive to personally observe various historical events firsthand, we should disregard all evidence, no matter how sound or plentiful, as to what occurred because we can’t experiment to be sure?.. [/quote]
I guess I missed this post a couple of days ago. Copy and paste where you think I said, “We should disregard all evidence, no matter how sound or plentiful, as to what occurred because we can’t experiment to be sure?” That was, and you know it, a complete mischaracterization of my thoughts. It is so glaringly obvious you intentionally did this that I really don’t even need to explain.[quote]
Or do you perhaps feel he is simply spitballing in regards to what he feels was happening at that point in history?[/quote]
I actually said the good professor (I guess?) may indeed have been right in his timetable assertions; my contention was his assertion that he knew it was so. I’ve already gone over this. Why do folks beat this drum? Are your arguments so weak in this debate that you feel you must divert to this? Or to my lifestyle?[/quote]
It’s funny that you speak of “weak” arguments when one of your major “points” is his use of the word ‘know’. Again, while he may not be 100% on the minutiae of the distant past, I am quite certain he and his colleagues are in complete agreement as to whether or not a large amount of water killed off the civilizations they are spending their careers researching.
That is what we are discussing, is it not? Whether or not a flood wiped out entire civilizations? And your defense against Zimansky’s point of “there being no major interruption in the culture” is that he said they ‘know’ what was going on at the time?
Again, we are speaking about whether or not he ‘knows’ what was going to the extent that he can confidently assert that the culture he is spending his career researching and lecturing upon had no major gaps that would suggest every citizen drowned to death at some point.
If he had said, “we think we know what was going on with Turkey archaeologically at that time, and there’s no major interruption in the culture”, would you still have a problem with it? Or would you use his use of the word ‘think’ as an argumentative point that a flood may have actually occurred? Because right now it seems as though your train of thought includes, “shit, that was so long ago we can never confidently say it DIDN’T happen!”
We are talking about a major catastrophe that supposedly wiped out entire civilizations… why do various civilizations that SHOULD have been affected show no record of having been?
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