They have become fewer over the years, but they are still possible. Anyway, if you want a good wife, then concern yourself with meeting women that are wife material.
I’m not going to bullshit any young man by saying that the group dynamics between the sexes isn’t broken in the current day. But focusing on this damage does nothing for you. If that means you must ignore most women, and that might be the case considering current dynamics, then so be it.
By the way, my close friend is fat, not gorgeous, and not rich. Yet he remarried and had a second kid with a second wife he met on an app. Another divorced friend, in this case a very jacked, handsome, and tall guy, divorced last year and met a new woman late last year… on an app.
They took all the crap in dating apps in stride. I did the same with my wife who I met on a dating site in 2011.
Most men who actually go from being scrawny to big and strong will sadly tell you that they receive more attention from other big and strong men in the gym than women.
It’s fairly well established that more handsome/beautiful individuals receive more attention from the opposite sex.
Fortunately there’s a lot of people out there, and most people don’t stop at just your physical attributes when they’re looking to see if they’re into you!
@anna_5588, @magick - I’m not talking about attractive people receiving more attention than unattractive people, of course that happens. I’m saying it’s psycho for someone to struggle to get a girlfriend and then decide to conduct an “experiment” to prove that it’s the women who are at fault. Nothing about this guy sounds like an appealing person.
I may just say, as step 1 to finding a great woman that will stick loyally by your side through good times and bad, maybe start off the quest by ceasing to describe them as dogs… somehow, I don’t think that is helping your case.
I’m noticing a streak amongst Gen Zers on here who pop up to talk about women:
Bitch about women but want a woman.
Want a woman but can’t answer for what, but make it known they don’t want marriage. So my guess is they want to be a “boyfriend” indefinitely or have a woman for validation and recreational sex.
Nihilism. Eg: “Da human race is wretched.” “Once I realized we’re just violent animals, it freaked me out!” “Humans are terrible!”
Like uh, should women even pay attention to such men?
I would ask Jeeves if he was still around, but I’m not sure how the internet even works anymore.
Do any of you under 40’s crowd know how to ask Chat GPT to draw a picture of a 125 lb 20 something man who is 6’00" and neurotically posting on strength training websites?
I’ve always been of the mind that PUA gurus intentionally mislead and demoralize their followers in order to create a stable of paying sycophants who will always be there for the next newest, best way to snag the woman of their dreams.
They just keep people circling the drain, over and over, never blaming the guru of course, and never landing the woman either.
It has to be a terrible existence, being one of their stooges. Having no self confidence, constantly internalizing blame for failure, wondering why everyone else is achieving their dreams while they continue to devolve in sick bitterness until they’re a broken empty husk discarded by society and the object of their dreams.
To play devil’s advocate… the fact that more young men than ever feel the need to go online and get “dating advice” from grifting “gurus” says more about our current society/culture than it does the young men.
I only skim-read this thread so I may end up making points that have already been made.
In answer to the thread title “Did lifting turn you mean?”
No. Lifting as a self-development tool did maybe the opposite of that for me. It humbled me, it bettered my empathy, and it took me on other journeys to try and improve myself in other ways. Being “meaner” would have been devaluing myself.
On the other stuff, of course attractive people are going to get more attention, and people who look after their bodies are going to generally be more attractive. At a biologicial level, health will almost always be an uncontrollable marker for attractiveness. Men can’t hate on women for that, that’s dumb. We do the same things vice versa. Another attractive trait is confidence. Feeling better in your own body and mind often heightens that. Health and confidence complement and interplay with eachother so closely. Overcomplicating this stuff implying shallowness from the eye of the beholder is just holding yourself back.
The sheer amount of content about “what women want” is insane and is a bad sign. And the content in which content creators ask women what they want, usually at some roundtable discussion or on the street at some hot spot like Miami or Las Vegas, is particularly low.
That kind of content is just full of the kind of woman that says what they think they want instead of what they actually go for. Either that or the delusional high standards that society praises them for. Not all women are like this, of course. The problem is young men absorb this kind of content and just end up generalizing and dismissing good women.
