Did Israel Have a Choice?

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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Do you remember the period of Intifadah, suicide bombings and Israeli retalliations. And when we were told Palestinian living conditions would improve if only they stopped the Intifadah and suicide bombings?
Do you remember that?
And once the intifadah and suicide attacks stopped, what has been done to improve Palestinian living conditions?

Nothing.

So why act surprised when Hamas decided to start launching rockests again?

We can discuss who started this and who retaliated and who retaliated on who’s retaliation untill we’re blue in the face, but that doesn’t lead us anywhere.

The Palestinians were pushed to hold elections and Hamas won. That’s what started this mess.

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[quote]Wreckless wrote:
Do you remember the period of Intifadah, suicide bombings and Israeli retalliations. And when we were told Palestinian living conditions would improve if only they stopped the Intifadah and suicide bombings?
Do you remember that?
And once the intifadah and suicide attacks stopped, what has been done to improve Palestinian living conditions?

Nothing.

So why act surprised when Hamas decided to start launching rockests again?

We can discuss who started this and who retaliated and who retaliated on who’s retaliation untill we’re blue in the face, but that doesn’t lead us anywhere.

The Palestinians were pushed to hold elections and Hamas won. That’s what started this mess.[/quote]

What is it about Jews specifically that really agitates the Eurotrash?

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The only thing Israel did wrong was wait too fucking long. Compromises should be thrown out the window, and Israel should just clean house.

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[quote]DrSkeptix wrote:
jlesk68 wrote:
All Israel has to do is to leave the territory they’re illegaly occupying.

More horseshit.

Do you ever make an informed comment?
No, don’t answer that until you have read PRCalDude’s last post.
And graduated high school.[/quote]

Dear “DrSkeptix” you should honor your screen name and be a little more skeptic of the status quo regarding Israel.

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[quote]G87 wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
They had a choice. They made the right one. They could have made the wrong one and allowed Hamas to keep firing rockets and mortar with no response whatsoever.

Hamas also had a choice. Several choices actually. Not only do they choose how they act militarily. But they choose to where to place these schools. They purposely keep them near targets. In the past it has been even worse. Hamas has long used innocent Palestinians as human shields, purposely firing missiles from homes, schools, and community centers. Knowing and wanting its citizens to get killed in the crossfire to make Israel look like assholes to the ignorant when they are the reprehensible ones.

Thank you. Hamas’ tactics infuriate me. It’s one thing to declare war and fire rockets at Israel, but putting your own people at risk is completely fucked up.

jlesk68 wrote:
All Israel has to do is to leave the territory they’re illegaly occupying.

You fail.[/quote]

Dude, your “you fail” is getting old…

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[quote]jsbrook wrote:
Mufasa wrote:
GCF wrote:
JamFly wrote:
It was brutal and inevitably there were civilian casualties among the many legitimate targets destroyed.

What else could Israel have done?

You do get the impression that Hamas who have been continually goading Israel by firing rockets and mortars into their settlements were hoping for such a reaction from Israel - and it’s for this reason that I now believe that Israel have the right to defend themselves with military action.

Another thing which is on my mind at the moment is that here in the UK we have muslim clerics openly stating that anyone who dies fighting Israel will gain paradise… how can there ever be peace in the Middle East when muslims leaders are giving out this kind of message in public.

One sure fire thing Israel could do to stop rocket attacks on settlements is to… dismantle the settlements. They contravene International law and have been denounced by the UN and the International community including the US. I guess air strikes are much more fun though.

I’m curious, GCF:

What makes you think that Hamas…who wants the total and complete elimination of the State of Israel…would somehow stop firing rockets and mortars into her territory because of the dismantling of some settlements?

Mufasa

Fatah may want peace (on its own terms). Hamas does not want peace. At some level, I don’t even think it wants the destruction of Israel. Well, it does. But not anytime soon. If Israel disappeared tomorrow, it would shit itself. God forbid. It’d actually have to govern. Instead of simply distracting the people with ‘holy war’ and continuing to act as a terrorist organization with a thin (very thin) veneer of political legitimacy.[/quote]

Hamas is a creation of Mossad that’s coming back to bite them in the ass.

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Israel and Hamas had a cease-fire. Then on November 5th, Israel launched an unprovoked attack on Gaza that killed 6, including 2 sixth-graders. Thats when Hamas fired back.

As usual, the Israeli’s are full of shit on this one. They remain the biggest group of jackasses in the world.

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[quote]jsbrook wrote:

Fatah may want peace (on its own terms). Hamas does not want peace. At some level, I don’t even think it wants the destruction of Israel. Well, it does. But not anytime soon. If Israel disappeared tomorrow, it would shit itself. God forbid. It’d actually have to govern. Instead of simply distracting the people with ‘holy war’ and continuing to act as a terrorist organization with a thin (very thin) veneer of political legitimacy.[/quote]

Yes I believe this also to be true, Hamas thrive on violence and are basically terrorists they do not want peace.

They also believe that those killed in the conflict against the jews gain paradise therefor they are populating “heaven” and doing all those innocent victims a favor.

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Bwahaha.

So I’m guessing all of you have forgotten that it was ISRAEL that broke the cease fire in the beginning of November??? THAT’S when Palestine started lobbing rockets again, AFTER Israel broke the cease fire.

Did you forget that fact???

But who cares though right? Those poor poor Israelis. Boo fucking hoo. FUCK Israel.

Setting up blockades, blocking imports and exports, food, medicine, etc. I’d be fighting Israel too if they were trying to starve me out.

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[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
Wreckless wrote:
Do you remember the period of Intifadah, suicide bombings and Israeli retalliations. And when we were told Palestinian living conditions would improve if only they stopped the Intifadah and suicide bombings?
Do you remember that?
And once the intifadah and suicide attacks stopped, what has been done to improve Palestinian living conditions?

Nothing.

So why act surprised when Hamas decided to start launching rockests again?

We can discuss who started this and who retaliated and who retaliated on who’s retaliation untill we’re blue in the face, but that doesn’t lead us anywhere.

The Palestinians were pushed to hold elections and Hamas won. That’s what started this mess.

What is it about Jews specifically that really agitates the Eurotrash?[/quote]

What is it about us Eurotrash that agitates you to insults, but never to arguments? That sort of shit might fly in your university debate team, but won’t cut it here.

Is it because you’re stupid? Come on, rub your 2 brain cells together and see what happens.

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[quote]OKLAHOMA STATE wrote:
Israel and Hamas had a cease-fire. Then on November 5th, Israel launched an unprovoked attack on Gaza that killed 6, including 2 sixth-graders. Thats when Hamas fired back.

As usual, the Israeli’s are full of shit on this one. They remain the biggest group of jackasses in the world.[/quote]

False. Same bullshit you’re spouting on the other thread. Hamas never stopped firing rockets throughout the ‘cease-fire’. 500,000 Israelis live in the range of Gaza rockets that they’ve NEVER actually stopped firing. Furthermore, Israel’s November 5 ‘attack’ was a strike against militants tunneling under the Gaza fence. It is unfortuante that innocent Palestians die in Israeli attacks. More unfortunate that their own government will often put them in harms way (and then hail them as martyrs) while INTENTIONALLY targetting Israeli citizens.

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[quote]Inner Hulk wrote:
Bwahaha.

So I’m guessing all of you have forgotten that it was ISRAEL that broke the cease fire in the beginning of November??? THAT’S when Palestine started lobbing rockets again, AFTER Israel broke the cease fire.

Did you forget that fact???

But who cares though right? Those poor poor Israelis. Boo fucking hoo. FUCK Israel.

Setting up blockades, blocking imports and exports, food, medicine, etc. I’d be fighting Israel too if they were trying to starve me out.[/quote]

Take it easy man, a lot of the “I believe whatever the zionist controlled media says” have a problem with the truth regarding Israel specially the evangelicals…

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[quote]jlesk68 wrote:
Inner Hulk wrote:
Bwahaha.

So I’m guessing all of you have forgotten that it was ISRAEL that broke the cease fire in the beginning of November??? THAT’S when Palestine started lobbing rockets again, AFTER Israel broke the cease fire.

Did you forget that fact???

But who cares though right? Those poor poor Israelis. Boo fucking hoo. FUCK Israel.

Setting up blockades, blocking imports and exports, food, medicine, etc. I’d be fighting Israel too if they were trying to starve me out.

Take it easy man, a lot of the “I believe whatever the zionist controlled media says” have a problem with the truth regarding Israel specially the evangelicals…[/quote]

Why is the “Zionist controlled media” doing such a poor job representing Israel’s side then? All we hear about are the poor “Palestinians” who got bombed, not about the thousands of rocket attacks preceding the entire incident.

During the last war with Hizballah (1 year ago), all we heard about was Israel’s “disproportionate response.” Islamic photographers were doctoring photos that appeared on Reuter’s newswire. Then, we got to see protests of the Islamic savages worldwide calling for a “ceasefire” (for Israel’s side only of course), while Israel’s side wasn’t represented at all.

If the “Zionists” are controlling the media, they need to start doing a much better job of getting Israel’s side to the public. Instead, all we hear is the typical antisemitism coming from the Muslims and their European and British lackies who think that by giving up the Jews, they’ll appease the Muslims in their own countries. Fat chance.

What Hamas and all of the organizations that preceded it want are the death or dhimmitude of all Jews, per Surah 9:29 in the Qur’an and the Sunnah of Muhammad.

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Yeah… Let’s see what would happen if some terrorist group from Canada or Mexico would start shooting ‘primitive’ rockets into American cities. Their would be some quick bitchslapping… The Israelis are being as surgical as possible. I’m sure it could easily be much, much worse for folks in Gaza.

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[quote]thirdgemini wrote:
Yeah… Let’s see what would happen if some terrorist group from Canada or Mexico would start shooting ‘primitive’ rockets into American cities. Their would be some quick bitchslapping… The Israelis are being as surgical as possible. I’m sure it could easily be much, much worse for folks in Gaza. [/quote]

You have never been to Gaza.

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[quote]thirdgemini wrote:
Yeah… Let’s see what would happen if some terrorist group from Canada or Mexico would start shooting ‘primitive’ rockets into American cities. Their would be some quick bitchslapping… The Israelis are being as surgical as possible. I’m sure it could easily be much, much worse for folks in Gaza. [/quote]

Yeah. Hard to avoid schools, homes, and community centers when Hamas builds their targets and military infrastructure AROUND them.

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How is Israel supposed to get along with people like this:
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/pictures/PalestinianChildAbuse/
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/lgf-car-swarms.php

Nothing to do in Gaza all day but hate the Jew and teach your kids the same. No wonder they’re civilization is such a wreck: none of them work or care to.

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[quote]jlesk68 wrote:
Inner Hulk wrote:
Bwahaha.

So I’m guessing all of you have forgotten that it was ISRAEL that broke the cease fire in the beginning of November??? THAT’S when Palestine started lobbing rockets again, AFTER Israel broke the cease fire.

Did you forget that fact???

But who cares though right? Those poor poor Israelis. Boo fucking hoo. FUCK Israel.

Setting up blockades, blocking imports and exports, food, medicine, etc. I’d be fighting Israel too if they were trying to starve me out.

Take it easy man, a lot of the “I believe whatever the zionist controlled media says” have a problem with the truth regarding Israel specially the evangelicals…[/quote]

don’t look now, but here’s another example of the Zionist controlled media unquestioningly printing Hamas propaganda:
http://www.yourish.com/2008/12/30/5859

Maybe they’re all drunk in the ZOG command center.

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[quote]PRCalDude wrote:

What is it about Jews specifically that really agitates the Eurotrash?[/quote]

Generalize much?

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[quote]GCF wrote:
thirdgemini wrote:
Yeah… Let’s see what would happen if some terrorist group from Canada or Mexico would start shooting ‘primitive’ rockets into American cities. Their would be some quick bitchslapping… The Israelis are being as surgical as possible. I’m sure it could easily be much, much worse for folks in Gaza.

You have never been to Gaza.[/quote]

Actually, I’ve been pretty close. West Bank too…