Did His Shoulder Just Spring a Leak?

[Kaizen514]

[quote]MeinHerzBrennt wrote:
Hyena wrote:
MeinHerzBrennt wrote:
The amount of crap coming out of that kid was absolutley astounding. I couldn’t look away lol

couldn’t look away? I couldn’t watch the whole thing, that was just disgusting. they should have cut that guys nuts off so he can’t make any more little dumbasses like himself.

I have a pretty high tolerance for that sort of stuff…[/quote]

Looks like I do to. Initially I avoided watching it because of the comments. Finally curiosity won over and I watched it.

I guess some of us use ‘geyser’ more liberally than others.

[DaFreak]

I was there, you can’t see me but I was only a few feet away on the left. I know the guy from training at the same gym and competing together 2 times at provincials, I honestly don’t know what happened to cause such a “leakage” but I can tell you it looked painful and he did feel it pop, as I clearly remember his face while he tried to hold his rear double bi… The talk at the show was that some judges saw the inflammed shoulder and told him to take care of it or he may be marked down for it. We talked together for a few minutes, and he was happy he did most of his prep alone and looked in okay shape - not his best but still, he placed 3rd in 2006 at that show.

Well I didn’t know anything about it at the weigh in as I like to lie down and relax, weigh myself and get out of there asap - especially this year, as I lost about 15 lbs in the last 2 days!! Anyway - as far as what product-stuff-thing in there… only he knows what this is! It’s sad as he’s not a bad guy, but when you play those games these things might happen.

[Hyena]

[quote]Game Time wrote:
Hyena - This was from a issue of MuscelMag a few years ago:

Nasser - “I will go on record as saying every competitor there was using Synthol somewhere”

It was only towards the end of his career his synthol use in his delts became evident, even BB.com has an article writen on it.[/quote]

in this picture his arms look a lot more deformed at the upper tricep, right below the deltoids. His biceps still look good. I mean, could you see veins in them if they were full of oil? I don’t think so. I agree with what that other guy said, he definitely didn’t NEED to use it.

[Growing_Boy]

[quote]Professor X wrote:
dropshot001 wrote:
it was synthol, he probably didn’t inject/take care of the site properly with massaging, etc

More than likely he just had it done right before the contest. I have never seen someone break open a wound like that unless it was very recent.[/quote]

I second this man! I should shave my head too since I’m eating about 5% of what he takes in ;D

[hardgnr]

He wouldn’t of won anyway.

[MeinHerzBrennt]

[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Bill Roberts wrote:
Would have been funny if the guy had started shouting, in the middle of the procedure, “Stop now! Stop now! It’s getting too small!”

Actually I would like to learn what that stuff is.

Reason is, when I was a kid I had a gymnastics accident, utterly thoroughly slamming both triceps into a pommel horse (entire bodyweight behind the hit, and at considerable speed) and had to have them drained by my doctor. There were several visits, and each one involved removing, by syringe, quite a lot of fluid rather like seen there, though not as much.

Incidentally the doctor had been doing a separate needle insertion for each draw, even though they were all to the same point. I had to ask him if he could leave the needle in and just change the syringe. He said good idea, and did that. Kind of sad when a 7-year old needs to be the one to suggest that…

(It was not a case such as in the video where it would have, nor did it, come spurting out of the needle with the syringe removed.)

I’ve never known what that stuff was. I used to figure it was broken-down muscle tissue from the injury but did not know.

I can only suppose that in your case Bill, there was some necrotic tissue which liquified and flowed out.

However in the video, I would say with 95% certainty that it is pus from a pyogenic (pus forming) infection caused by injection of a pathogen.

Signs and symptoms:
There is clearly exreme pain on the face of the patient, even when the Dr is initially just probing and incising the area. Pain is a classic sign of acute inflamation.

The amount of swelling and its shape is massive and slightly irregular.

Discolouration of the skin caused by extreme skin and superficial muscle trauma due to the extreme pressure in the lesion.

The colour of the exudate is grey, opaque and streaked with blood - classic signs of bacterial infection and the consequent dead neutrophils that make up pus. The blood comes from capilleries etc that are ‘eaten away’ by the chemicals secreted by the neutrophils (if I remember my pathology correctly) and leak blood before they clot/close up to prevent bacterial spread into the blood.

Anyway, it was fucking gross and the guy was a fool for waiting that long; septicemia and death could not have been far away.

BBB[/quote]

Thanks for the explanation BBB =)

[Christian_Thibaudeau]

[quote]hardgnr wrote:
He wouldn’t of won anyway.

[/quote]

No, especially since this was the 2nd group, so best he could have hoped for was 6th place.

[waylanderxx]

[quote]Hyena wrote:
waylanderxx wrote:

Reminds me of Nasser. You can see it very clearly in his delts and arms even if you have no idea what to look for. I don’t think guys who use it should be rewarded for it at all, but he sure was.

I’m gonna disagree with you. I’ve watched several of his olympia posing routines on youtube, and I don’t see anything that looks ballooned, or unnatural, well, you know, less natural than a typical bodybuilder. His shoulders don’t look very cut, but most of the more massive bodybuilders just have big huge boulder shoulders like that, with no separation.

His biceps also look very hard, and solid. If you think his shoulders couldn’t be that big without enhancement oils, I respectfully disagree. Nasser goes to the same gym I do, and I see him there every so often, and his shoulders are still so damn wide it looks like he’d have to go through doorways sideways. and…you know, synthol wears off.
[/quote]

Doesn’t really matter if you disagree with me. It’s clear he used synthol and he admitted to it, it’s really easy to spot.

[Bill_Roberts]

[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Bill Roberts wrote:
Actually I would like to learn what that stuff is.

Reason is, when I was a kid I had a gymnastics accident, utterly thoroughly slamming both triceps into a pommel horse (entire bodyweight behind the hit, and at considerable speed) and had to have them drained by my doctor. There were several visits, and each one involved removing, by syringe, quite a lot of fluid rather like seen there, though not as much.

I’ve never known what that stuff was. I used to figure it was broken-down muscle tissue from the injury but did not know.

I can only suppose that in your case Bill, there was some necrotic tissue which liquified and flowed out.

However in the video, I would say with 95% certainty that it is pus from a pyogenic (pus forming) infection caused by injection of a pathogen.

Signs and symptoms:
There is clearly exreme pain on the face of the patient, even when the Dr is initially just probing and incising the area. Pain is a classic sign of acute inflamation.

The amount of swelling and its shape is massive and slightly irregular.

Discolouration of the skin caused by extreme skin and superficial muscle trauma due to the extreme pressure in the lesion.

The colour of the exudate is grey, opaque and streaked with blood - classic signs of bacterial infection and the consequent dead neutrophils that make up pus. The blood comes from capilleries etc that are ‘eaten away’ by the chemicals secreted by the neutrophils (if I remember my pathology correctly) and leak blood before they clot/close up to prevent bacterial spread into the blood.

Anyway, it was fucking gross and the guy was a fool for waiting that long; septicemia and death could not have been far away.

BBB[/quote]

Thanks! I always figured that professionals would know what that was in my case, but it’s not knowledge one tends to pick up oneself, so I never did know for sure. Till now.

Agreed on the guy in the video: I was wondering how in the world he waited till that point to go get medical help. It had to have been obviously necessary well before this. How stupid was that?

[jo3]

[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Bill Roberts wrote:
Would have been funny if the guy had started shouting, in the middle of the procedure, “Stop now! Stop now! It’s getting too small!”

Actually I would like to learn what that stuff is.

Reason is, when I was a kid I had a gymnastics accident, utterly thoroughly slamming both triceps into a pommel horse (entire bodyweight behind the hit, and at considerable speed) and had to have them drained by my doctor. There were several visits, and each one involved removing, by syringe, quite a lot of fluid rather like seen there, though not as much.

Incidentally the doctor had been doing a separate needle insertion for each draw, even though they were all to the same point. I had to ask him if he could leave the needle in and just change the syringe. He said good idea, and did that. Kind of sad when a 7-year old needs to be the one to suggest that…

(It was not a case such as in the video where it would have, nor did it, come spurting out of the needle with the syringe removed.)

I’ve never known what that stuff was. I used to figure it was broken-down muscle tissue from the injury but did not know.

I can only suppose that in your case Bill, there was some necrotic tissue which liquified and flowed out.

However in the video, I would say with 95% certainty that it is pus from a pyogenic (pus forming) infection caused by injection of a pathogen.

Signs and symptoms:
There is clearly exreme pain on the face of the patient, even when the Dr is initially just probing and incising the area. Pain is a classic sign of acute inflamation.

The amount of swelling and its shape is massive and slightly irregular.

Discolouration of the skin caused by extreme skin and superficial muscle trauma due to the extreme pressure in the lesion.

The colour of the exudate is grey, opaque and streaked with blood - classic signs of bacterial infection and the consequent dead neutrophils that make up pus. The blood comes from capilleries etc that are ‘eaten away’ by the chemicals secreted by the neutrophils (if I remember my pathology correctly) and leak blood before they clot/close up to prevent bacterial spread into the blood.

Anyway, it was fucking gross and the guy was a fool for waiting that long; septicemia and death could not have been far away.

BBB[/quote]

Based on your detailed commentary, I had assumed you thoroughly enjoyed watching the video… until I read your last sentence