No, of course, I wasn’t suggesting that’s what fighters did, just using an extreme example to show my point. But even at “only” 3 miles, you are (by definition) running at a low-intensity…It would make more sense to me that you’d break up that run into 3 minute intervals with one minute breaks. Something like running multiple 800 meter sprints with a minute break between each one. That would allow you more intensity during the actual running, and more closely mimic what’s actually going on in a fight…To me, that would build “the wind” that fighters talk about needing during a fight. Have you ever tried this sort of running, and if so, what’d you experience, like/dislike, etc?
[quote]Ranzo wrote:
Running a Marathon is something totally different. At least for me I usually run a max of 3 miles, I shoot for a better and better time in that three miles. I don’t know any fighter who run 10-20 miles at one time.[/quote]
I ran the NYC marathon in 1991- competed in a wrestling match that tuesday
in the beginning - meaning college D3 before I got to D1-
I typically ran 5-8 miles 5 oor 6x a week
not after too long I got up to 10 -13 miles 5x or 6x a week.
but that is what I had to do to stay competitive
to get what I needed to move into D1 and beyond
I also did a shit ton of other stuff.
even doing a 13 mile run- shit only takes an hour and 20 to 30 minutes
when your options are - get in that extra hour so you can eat and stay small-
cause only very few in combat sports are trying to get ‘big’
Im going to say yes
the best work for getting into ‘shape’ for your combat sport is exactly that
live sparring, judo , wrestling rolling etc.
but you cant train that in a weight room
or really by yourself.
while what you do in the weight room can add to that
it certainly cant emulate it.
all of the Strength coaches that people have mentioned-
cressey, Defranco, and wendler- all have coached the odd
combat guy - moe like drop in guy.
and they speak only about the strength portion
and how they limit the accessory work and overall volume of training
cause typically the athlete is already under a huge work load
never the conditioning element except to say that running marathons is ‘old skool’
I am not a believer that training for 6 to 9 minutes for wrestling
is really something you can do with shorter intervals alone.
Ive already spoke in this thread and many others about why people do it.
roadwork
Ive spoke about this at length-
some of the key reasons you do it
its something you can do with out other facilities
- no treadmil, versaclimber, spin bike , rower etc
- its more about keeping your weight down
- great for learning how to breath
Dang. Thats impressive that you run that much. I ran some longer distances in the military like that but it would be hard for me now. Like I said I stay around the 3 mile mark and do some sprint intervals in there to up the intensity. I also do a lot of mountanin biking in the spring and summer, Usually 10-15 miles and that really makes me cut some weight.
I might try running some longer distances and see how it works though. I do see people wanting to get in shape and lose weight and they want to joing a gym. My advice is always that all they really need to do is take off running. Its free and its always available.
[quote]Ranzo wrote:
Dang. Thats impressive that you run that much. I ran some longer distances in the military like that but it would be hard for me now. Like I said I stay around the 3 mile mark and do some sprint intervals in there to up the intensity. I also do a lot of mountanin biking in the spring and summer, Usually 10-15 miles and that really makes me cut some weight.
I might try running some longer distances and see how it works though. I do see people wanting to get in shape and lose weight and they want to joing a gym. My advice is always that all they really need to do is take off running. Its free and its always available. [/quote]
So true. For what most average folks WANT to look like, doing a pushup/pullup/dip workout and running three times a week would be more than enough.
[quote]Ranzo wrote:
Dang. Thats impressive that you run that much. I ran some longer distances in the military like that but it would be hard for me now. Like I said I stay around the 3 mile mark and do some sprint intervals in there to up the intensity. I also do a lot of mountanin biking in the spring and summer, Usually 10-15 miles and that really makes me cut some weight.
I might try running some longer distances and see how it works though. I do see people wanting to get in shape and lose weight and they want to joing a gym. My advice is always that all they really need to do is take off running. Its free and its always available. [/quote]
Ranzo- we are likely close in age- I turned 40 in october
I ran maybe 5 miles 3x a week til my mid 30’s
more when competing or gearing up for a meet or tournament
I do want to start again I have some long term ankle stuff that makes it hard
so does the family and work thing too.
at like 34 - I did a big ‘comeback’ in mastes judo and this is probably relevant to this thread
I did allot of different things then in my college and post college wrestling
still did roadwork maybe 3-8 miles 4 days a week
did it at a track - while monotonous its softer
much softer
I wore a weighted vest and did sprints and stairs
and med ball work and shit tons of BW stuff
didnt do to much weight room wise some big as powercleans
and squats and jumping
lots of time getting soft tissue work, mobility , roam rolling
yoga
mostly I played judo.
the ‘comback’ became more of a reality check on injuries
Yes I will be 39 in July, probably too old to be taking fights. Right now I am doing jiu jitsu twice a week and muy thai one day a week. The other days are pretty much lifting weights, I do lots of bodyweight stuff in my warmup. I have really been making excuses about running lately and one night I did some laps around the block and I got laryngitis because of it…
Looking to do a standup fight in the upcoming months so I will be runnnig much more. I have also found a new friend in a foam roller. I feel so much better after doing it. Certainly will be doing some running this week.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]Ranzo wrote:
Dang. Thats impressive that you run that much. I ran some longer distances in the military like that but it would be hard for me now. Like I said I stay around the 3 mile mark and do some sprint intervals in there to up the intensity. I also do a lot of mountanin biking in the spring and summer, Usually 10-15 miles and that really makes me cut some weight.
I might try running some longer distances and see how it works though. I do see people wanting to get in shape and lose weight and they want to joing a gym. My advice is always that all they really need to do is take off running. Its free and its always available. [/quote]
So true. For what most average folks WANT to look like, doing a pushup/pullup/dip workout and running three times a week would be more than enough.[/quote]
QFT
Simple as this is, it is really kick ass advice for the vast majority of “regular” people.
Won’t sell many books or keep many personal trainers in work though.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]Ranzo wrote:
Dang. Thats impressive that you run that much. I ran some longer distances in the military like that but it would be hard for me now. Like I said I stay around the 3 mile mark and do some sprint intervals in there to up the intensity. I also do a lot of mountanin biking in the spring and summer, Usually 10-15 miles and that really makes me cut some weight.
I might try running some longer distances and see how it works though. I do see people wanting to get in shape and lose weight and they want to joing a gym. My advice is always that all they really need to do is take off running. Its free and its always available. [/quote]
So true. For what most average folks WANT to look like, doing a pushup/pullup/dip workout and running three times a week would be more than enough.[/quote]
as statistics show average man is likely to be skinny-fat Chinese in his thirties working on a farm in some village of inner Chine,his best routine is selling kidney to aquire fake passport from Triades to make it to Europe or United States.Then he can run 3 times a week to a strip club :))))
[quote]kmcnyc wrote:
[quote]Ranzo wrote:
Dang. Thats impressive that you run that much. I ran some longer distances in the military like that but it would be hard for me now. Like I said I stay around the 3 mile mark and do some sprint intervals in there to up the intensity. I also do a lot of mountanin biking in the spring and summer, Usually 10-15 miles and that really makes me cut some weight.
I might try running some longer distances and see how it works though. I do see people wanting to get in shape and lose weight and they want to joing a gym. My advice is always that all they really need to do is take off running. Its free and its always available. [/quote]
Ranzo- we are likely close in age- I turned 40 in october
I ran maybe 5 miles 3x a week til my mid 30’s
more when competing or gearing up for a meet or tournament
I do want to start again I have some long term ankle stuff that makes it hard
so does the family and work thing too.
at like 34 - I did a big ‘comeback’ in mastes judo and this is probably relevant to this thread
I did allot of different things then in my college and post college wrestling
still did roadwork maybe 3-8 miles 4 days a week
did it at a track - while monotonous its softer
much softer
I wore a weighted vest and did sprints and stairs
and med ball work and shit tons of BW stuff
didnt do to much weight room wise some big as powercleans
and squats and jumping
lots of time getting soft tissue work, mobility , roam rolling
yoga
mostly I played judo.
the ‘comback’ became more of a reality check on injuries
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so what did you find more effective? your old routine or the new one? pro & cons of both methods?
[quote]batman730 wrote:
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]Ranzo wrote:
Dang. Thats impressive that you run that much. I ran some longer distances in the military like that but it would be hard for me now. Like I said I stay around the 3 mile mark and do some sprint intervals in there to up the intensity. I also do a lot of mountanin biking in the spring and summer, Usually 10-15 miles and that really makes me cut some weight.
I might try running some longer distances and see how it works though. I do see people wanting to get in shape and lose weight and they want to joing a gym. My advice is always that all they really need to do is take off running. Its free and its always available. [/quote]
So true. For what most average folks WANT to look like, doing a pushup/pullup/dip workout and running three times a week would be more than enough.[/quote]
QFT
Simple as this is, it is really kick ass advice for the vast majority of “regular” people.
Won’t sell many books or keep many personal trainers in work though. [/quote]
or the Russian way
-Vodka at night.Pickle juice in the morning.Throwing some kettlebells around between the two.A Russians day well spent- Pavel T. :)))))
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]gummi_hulk wrote:
Hey bud, a lot of strength coaches say stay away from road work if you want to get strong. What do you think about this? Do you think you can do too much and it’ll have a detrimental effect and maybe there is a sweet spot? I don’t have any practical experience in this but I have read that a fighter usually is a good puncher because of natural power, speed and good technique that give it a “pop” as opposed to just being bull strong and being able to lift a lot.
What would you say are the benefits of daily moderate paced road work for a fighter?
Thanks[/quote]
I would agree that too much running is probably detrimental to gaining all out max effort strength and it’s not going to help you gain a lot of size either.But who gives a shit about that? If you’re a fighter, your weight room numbers mean dick.
If you’re training because you like to train, then don’t worry about it, and I’m sure there is a sweet spot between cardio and lifting to keep you relatively lean and able to gain size and strength at the same time. It probably varies for everyone, but it’s definitely there.
But fighting is a totally different animal. Weight room strength doesn’t translate to punching power, and I have always been of the opinion that punchers are born, not made. Power can be increased slightly, but you’ll never turn a Paulie Malignaggi into a Marco Maidana. Simply won’t happen.
But power doesn’t mean shit if you tire out too quickly, and that’s where roadwork comes in. It’s the base of your aerobic conditioning, helps keep guys from gaining weight too much, and really does make a difference in your wind.
You can do all the intervals you want, all the sport specific bullshit, etc. but let me tell you - my coach knows right away who is running and who isn’t.
There’s a reason that guys still do it, and no matter how many internet warriors and internet guru coaches tell me that these guys are succeeding “in spite of their training,” I’m going to listen to the guys who know this shit inside and out - the coaches, and the fighters. Not some fucking guy who learned some shit in a university classroom and thinks that he knows everything.
/rant
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I think stupid donkeys will never get it.They ll keep asking about bench numbers,muscle mass,body fat percentages and whatnot…they will never understand fighting skill…its like teaching a retard mathematics…the system is not able to absorb and hold such info,let alone put it in practice.
