[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
Hmmm… I thought tax cuts were supposed to create jobs? Michigan has the most of the tax sweetheart deals but Detroit is going bankrupt.
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Unions = the parasite that outgrew it’s host. [/quote]
Unions = better pay and better working conditions [/quote]
Not for those that lost their jobs.[/quote]
If Unions were the norm , there would be less escaping treating your employees right
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
Hmmm… I thought tax cuts were supposed to create jobs? Michigan has the most of the tax sweetheart deals but Detroit is going bankrupt.
[/quote]
Unions = the parasite that outgrew it’s host. [/quote]
Unions = better pay and better working conditions [/quote]
Not for those that lost their jobs.[/quote]
If Unions were the norm , there would be less escaping treating your employees right
[/quote]
Not in this country. I have no problem with unions, but in this country unions wield unfair power that ultimately hurt the workers they claim to help.
And, to prove my point…in Detroit Unions are the norm. Bankrupted a whole city.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
Hmmm… I thought tax cuts were supposed to create jobs? Michigan has the most of the tax sweetheart deals but Detroit is going bankrupt.
[/quote]
Unions = the parasite that outgrew it’s host. [/quote]
Unions = better pay and better working conditions [/quote]
Not for those that lost their jobs.[/quote]
If Unions were the norm , there would be less escaping treating your employees right
[/quote]
Not in this country. I have no problem with unions, but in this country unions wield unfair power that ultimately hurt the workers they claim to help.
And, to prove my point…in Detroit Unions are the norm. Bankrupted a whole city.[/quote]
It only hurts because there are other workers that are not protected that a company can exploit
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
It only hurts because there are other workers that are not protected that a company can exploit
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The Unions only hurts because there are other workers that are not protected that a company can exploit?
What are you saying?
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
Hmmm… I thought tax cuts were supposed to create jobs? Michigan has the most of the tax sweetheart deals but Detroit is going bankrupt.
[/quote]
Unions = the parasite that outgrew it’s host. [/quote]
The most tax breaks that any state has gotten and what happened? I thought tax breaks created jobs? In addition how can a city run it’s programs when corporations are getting massive tax breaks. Hoe or who is gonna pay for them?
Unions = better pay and better working conditions [/quote]
Not for those that lost their jobs.[/quote]
If Unions were the norm , there would be less escaping treating your employees right
[/quote]
Not in this country. I have no problem with unions, but in this country unions wield unfair power that ultimately hurt the workers they claim to help.
And, to prove my point…in Detroit Unions are the norm. Bankrupted a whole city.[/quote]
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
It only hurts because there are other workers that are not protected that a company can exploit
[/quote]
The Unions only hurts because there are other workers that are not protected that a company can exploit?
What are you saying?[/quote]
The truth
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
It only hurts because there are other workers that are not protected that a company can exploit
[/quote]
The Unions only hurts because there are other workers that are not protected that a company can exploit?
What are you saying?[/quote]
The truth
[/quote]
So you admit that Unions hurt the workers that aren’t in the union?
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
It only hurts because there are other workers that are not protected that a company can exploit
[/quote]
The Unions only hurts because there are other workers that are not protected that a company can exploit?
What are you saying?[/quote]
The truth
[/quote]
So you admit that Unions hurt the workers that aren’t in the union?[/quote]
No, Unions help workers , even non union workers . I am at present making twice the money that the average in a non union position because I am a employed by a contractor to a union shop .
What I meant was people that work nonunion are subject to less pay and more shit than their union counter parts
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
It only hurts because there are other workers that are not protected that a company can exploit
[/quote]
The Unions only hurts because there are other workers that are not protected that a company can exploit?
What are you saying?[/quote]
The truth
[/quote]
So you admit that Unions hurt the workers that aren’t in the union?[/quote]
No, Unions help workers , even non union workers . I am at present making twice the money that the average in a non union position because I am a employed by a contractor to a union shop .
What I meant was people that work nonunion are subject to less pay and more shit than their union counter parts
[/quote]
Yes, Unions should help workers. In American, they don’t though. My union pushed me out of a job and I had to change industries after my insurance ran out. Union enrollment is down, why? Because unions in America have too much power and they take and take and take until companies can’t keep up with overhead. In the mean time, they push out more and more workers.
Look at Detroit, Union dream. They completely bankrupted the entire city. Not sure how that helped with more pay and less shit.
Are any Republican cities filing bankruptcy ?
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Are any Republican cities filing bankruptcy ?[/quote]
You totally ignore the fact that this was a Steel town , to disprove your theory check the economic history of all the other steel towns . Steel towns were by in large mostly Democrat. You best case scenario would be Pittsburgh . But look at Flint Mich, Chicago, Youngstown OH and the list goes on
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
Lol. Subsidies =/= tax breaks.
Detroit has a mid-high corporate income tax rates, sales tax, &c.
Michigan has a mid-high corporate income tax rate, sales tax, &c.
Then you have to deal with all the social programs/unions in Detroit. Detroit has been run by Democrats unopposed for 50 years, every socialist program you can think of has been tried there and found lacking and has eventually bankrupted Detroit.[/quote]
How can social programs be paid for when corporations are given such huge tax breaks?[/quote]
The study is not about tax breaks…the study is about subsidies![/quote]
And what is the end result of subsidies?
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
It only hurts because there are other workers that are not protected that a company can exploit
[/quote]
The Unions only hurts because there are other workers that are not protected that a company can exploit?
What are you saying?[/quote]
The truth
[/quote]
So you admit that Unions hurt the workers that aren’t in the union?[/quote]
No, Unions help workers , even non union workers . I am at present making twice the money that the average in a non union position because I am a employed by a contractor to a union shop .
What I meant was people that work nonunion are subject to less pay and more shit than their union counter parts
[/quote]
Yes, Unions should help workers. In American, they don’t though. My union pushed me out of a job and I had to change industries after my insurance ran out. Union enrollment is down, why? Because unions in America have too much power and they take and take and take until companies can’t keep up with overhead. In the mean time, they push out more and more workers.
Look at Detroit, Union dream. They completely bankrupted the entire city. Not sure how that helped with more pay and less shit. [/quote]
Your theory on unions is absolute bullshit. They do not push themselves out of jobs. This would be against their self-economic preservation and is literally borderline retarded.
Once again the state of Michigan got more sweetheart deals than any other state but is going bankrupt because of the eroded tax base and non-payment of taxes by the corporations that reside in that state. It has nothing to do with unions demanding higher wages and that somehow forced the companies out of business.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
It only hurts because there are other workers that are not protected that a company can exploit
[/quote]
The Unions only hurts because there are other workers that are not protected that a company can exploit?
What are you saying?[/quote]
You’re only unsafe because the government wasn’t given enough power over everybody to keep you safe…wait. Sorry wrong thread.
(Or is it?)
[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
It only hurts because there are other workers that are not protected that a company can exploit
[/quote]
The Unions only hurts because there are other workers that are not protected that a company can exploit?
What are you saying?[/quote]
The truth
[/quote]
So you admit that Unions hurt the workers that aren’t in the union?[/quote]
No, Unions help workers , even non union workers . I am at present making twice the money that the average in a non union position because I am a employed by a contractor to a union shop .
What I meant was people that work nonunion are subject to less pay and more shit than their union counter parts
[/quote]
Yes, Unions should help workers. In American, they don’t though. My union pushed me out of a job and I had to change industries after my insurance ran out. Union enrollment is down, why? Because unions in America have too much power and they take and take and take until companies can’t keep up with overhead. In the mean time, they push out more and more workers.
Look at Detroit, Union dream. They completely bankrupted the entire city. Not sure how that helped with more pay and less shit. [/quote]
Your theory on unions is absolute bullshit. They do not push themselves out of jobs. This would be against their self-economic preservation and is literally borderline retarded.[/quote]
One word: Hostess.
Your inability to cogently argue is only matched by your utter inability to see past your own ideology and your subsequent projection on to other people of the flaws your subconscious sees but your ego is too fragile to recognize.
[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
Lol. Subsidies =/= tax breaks.
Detroit has a mid-high corporate income tax rates, sales tax, &c.
Michigan has a mid-high corporate income tax rate, sales tax, &c.
Then you have to deal with all the social programs/unions in Detroit. Detroit has been run by Democrats unopposed for 50 years, every socialist program you can think of has been tried there and found lacking and has eventually bankrupted Detroit.[/quote]
How can social programs be paid for when corporations are given such huge tax breaks?[/quote]
The study is not about tax breaks…the study is about subsidies![/quote]
And what is the end result of subsidies?[/quote]
If you have high taxes, high wages (bc of unions), high overhead (bc of unions), and in general high overhead (in order to do business in a communist country) and you get high subsidies…that’s great otherwise you wouldn’t be able to run your business because the overhead is too high, but when that city can no longer pay those high subsidies…your overhead pretty quickly cuts into your margin and you go out of business.
So, you have to look at the whole situation, I am not a fan of subsidies, but I’m not a fan of high taxes either. So, it depends. In the case of Detroit the end result of subsidies was that they weren’t high enough to cover the high overhead it cost to run a business in Detroit because of taxes, union wages, pensions, social cost, &c.
[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
Your theory on unions is absolute bullshit. They do not push themselves out of jobs. This would be against their self-economic preservation and is literally borderline retarded.
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It is not a theory, it happened to me. Yes, it is retarded, doesn’t stop the greedy teamsters from doing it.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
Your theory on unions is absolute bullshit. They do not push themselves out of jobs. This would be against their self-economic preservation and is literally borderline retarded.
[/quote]
It is not a theory, it happened to me. Yes, it is retarded, doesn’t stop the greedy teamsters from doing it.[/quote]
If it is demonstrable through evidence and cannot be falsified, then by definition it is a theory.
[quote]Aragorn wrote:
[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
It only hurts because there are other workers that are not protected that a company can exploit
[/quote]
The Unions only hurts because there are other workers that are not protected that a company can exploit?
What are you saying?[/quote]
The truth
[/quote]
So you admit that Unions hurt the workers that aren’t in the union?[/quote]
No, Unions help workers , even non union workers . I am at present making twice the money that the average in a non union position because I am a employed by a contractor to a union shop .
What I meant was people that work nonunion are subject to less pay and more shit than their union counter parts
[/quote]
Yes, Unions should help workers. In American, they don’t though. My union pushed me out of a job and I had to change industries after my insurance ran out. Union enrollment is down, why? Because unions in America have too much power and they take and take and take until companies can’t keep up with overhead. In the mean time, they push out more and more workers.
Look at Detroit, Union dream. They completely bankrupted the entire city. Not sure how that helped with more pay and less shit. [/quote]
Your theory on unions is absolute bullshit. They do not push themselves out of jobs. This would be against their self-economic preservation and is literally borderline retarded.[/quote]
One word: Hostess.
Your inability to cogently argue is only matched by your utter inability to see past your own ideology and your subsequent projection on to other people of the flaws your subconscious sees but your ego is too fragile to recognize.[/quote]
Wow more psycho-babble from a psycho!