[quote]pushharder wrote:
This is one of those deals where you risk being perceived as dissing the feat if you debate this. I’m just yapping about this cuz I have the time at the moment.[/quote]
I know you aren’t attacking the lift. That’s why I responded to you. There are a lot of posters on here I would have simply ignored.
I also wasn’t really trying to convince you to change your mind or anything. I guess I just wanted to explain why it didn’t bother me. [quote]
So I hereby pose a question…IF Senor Poundstone had lifted the 750 lbs for 10 reps with each rep from a dead stop…what then would we have called this lift?
“Derek Poundstone 750 Deadlift x 10 from Dead Stop Each Rep?”
I mean there should be some criteria to differentiate the two accomplishments, right? The bouncing deads and the dead deads.
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I don’t know. I guess my answer would be, if it’s not a competition lift, then, no. I just don’t think these lifts are different enough.
I kinda stand on the fence on this one. He’s doing the deadlifts the correct way FOR HIM. I imagine his sticking point isn’t off the floor, and he’s using this method to condition is upper back, mid-range and lockout. I see tons of guys in the gym that dont know crap about lifting and always bounce the weight. The think this is deadlifting but it is not. THESE GUYS are doing it this way because it is easier and they are weak off the floor. The same guys that are doing 315x10 bouncing are the ones that cant pull 400x1. Its the same thing with BIG GUYS doing “partial pullups”. Guys like kroc are doing pullups as an assistance to their other lifts. He doesn’t care that his chin isn’t going above the bar or that he isn’t going to a complete hang. HE COULD CARE LESS. He’s working the move in the way that will help him compete.
Having said all that:
750x10 dead stop deadlifts would be more impressive.
Actually, I’ve seen more dead stop deadlift videos labeled as ‘dead stop’ and touch and go just labeled as deadlifts.
I know you handle some pretty heavy weights, when your letting down a deadlift how much does it actually bounce? Bounce sounds like it flew back in the air a few inches, when 750 comes down its staying there.
As far as I’m concerned there are two types of deadlifts, touch and go deadlifts that you do for reps, and dead stop deadlifts that are a bunch of repeated singles for a ‘set’.
I touch and go with my RDLs. I “dead stop” all my other deadlift variations even when doing multiple reps. It’s just the way I do things. For one thing my home gym is a room adjacent to my barn and the floor is on wooden joists with particle board of all things. I simply can’t afford to drop the 450 - 535 lbs. loaded bar; I would ruin my floor.
Now once again for the last two posters, I was just making conversation and NOT taking anything away from Poundstone. He impresses the livin’ hell out of me and I am in awe at his strength. I said this a couple of times and still the lack-of-reading-comprehensionists come out of their kennels yapping like Dachshunds. [/quote]
Ignore anyone saying you’re disrespecting the lift push, i dont think that’s a valid criticism
To make an analogy, I would compare this situation to an olympic lifter saying of a powerlifter’s videos “those aren’t squats.” Yes, there is a difference between an OL squat and a PL squat, just as there are differences between a touch n go deadlift and deadlifts from a dead stop … but both are squats and both are deadlifts
i don’t know if anyone in here has ever done over 600 for multiple reps, but “bouncing” doesn’t really come into play… first off, if you “bounce” your hands vibrate like hitting a metal bat against a metal beam… it sucks… and touch and go, well, you basically have the weight in your hands the whole time, so I personally think its harder… sure you have some sort of momentum, but your still making sure the bounce at the bottom isn’t a “bounce” i prefer to do singles over large sets like this with heavy weight cause i think its easier
[quote]dankid wrote:
Good points everyone. Unless you can post a video of you doing 750x10 DEAD STOP DEADLIFTS then STFU!
T-Nation forums are full of a bunch of pussies with a small man complex or somethign else small.
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Well, this was a valuable post.
I don’t know what or who you’re talking about. While I didn’t agree with push, I gotta defend him here. I thought it was pretty obvious he respected and appreciated the lift. He just had a small difference in opinion. Nothing wrong with that. We then had a pretty damn civil discussion about it. I don’t why you feel the need to jump in here and try to be hardcore. I think that says more about you than the rest of us.
[quote]malonetd wrote:
dankid wrote:
Good points everyone. Unless you can post a video of you doing 750x10 DEAD STOP DEADLIFTS then STFU!
T-Nation forums are full of a bunch of pussies with a small man complex or somethign else small.
Well, this was a valuable post.
I don’t know what or who you’re talking about. While I didn’t agree with push, I gotta defend him here. I thought it was pretty obvious he respected and appreciated the lift. He just had a small difference in opinion. Nothing wrong with that. We then had a pretty damn civil discussion about it. I don’t why you feel the need to jump in here and try to be hardcore. I think that says more about you than the rest of us.[/quote]
See dude, this is when you ignore the posts. Thats the kid that never wants to bench 405. Nuff’ said.
I, for one, actually enjoy hearing stronger, more experienced than myself lifters ruminate about lifting styles, techniques, semantics, etc.
There isn’t a thing disrespectful about that conversation, in my opinion. But suggesting that we should all ‘stfu’ and be ‘in awe’ on a message board is funny to imagine. A few dozen pages containing 1000 iterations of “Damn… brutal!” and nothing else.
[quote]Stuntman Mike wrote:
malonetd wrote:
dankid wrote:
Good points everyone. Unless you can post a video of you doing 750x10 DEAD STOP DEADLIFTS then STFU!
T-Nation forums are full of a bunch of pussies with a small man complex or somethign else small.
Well, this was a valuable post.
I don’t know what or who you’re talking about. While I didn’t agree with push, I gotta defend him here. I thought it was pretty obvious he respected and appreciated the lift. He just had a small difference in opinion. Nothing wrong with that. We then had a pretty damn civil discussion about it. I don’t why you feel the need to jump in here and try to be hardcore. I think that says more about you than the rest of us.
See dude, this is when you ignore the posts. Thats the kid that never wants to bench 405. Nuff’ said.[/quote]
Yes he bounced the reps, but Jesus Christ I don’t know if my body will ever get to a 750lb deadlift for one rep, let alone 10! Damn that was impressive
i dont know if you guys have even done T&G deads…but it doesnt actually ‘bounce’.
as soon as the plates touch the ground you go up thats all, you dont slam them down to rebound up.
a lot of times ive done them and only one side actually touches, not really sure what kind of momentum you can get out of that. the difference is that you’re getting more TUT.
at the end of the day this guy is stronger than anyone else on the site and is doing something with his iron game while other just piss on his form.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
i dont know if you guys have even done T&G deads…but it doesnt actually ‘bounce’.
as soon as the plates touch the ground you go up thats all, you dont slam them down to rebound up.
a lot of times ive done them and only one side actually touches, not really sure what kind of momentum you can get out of that. the difference is that you’re getting more TUT.
at the end of the day this guy is stronger than anyone else on the site and is doing something with his iron game while other just piss on his form.
As was mentioned his form was PERFECT for the event he competes in - most multiple reps with a given weight in a strongman competition. Nobody here has pissed on his form. So put your Vienna Sausage away and quit pissing on people who aren’t pissing, you pissant. [/quote]
Touch and go deadlifts don’t make it easier due to momentum/bouncing, it’s because you are adding an eccentric portion to the lift so you start the next rep with more muscle tension than you would otherwise. When I do 5+ reps on a deadlift, even if I pause (dead stop) them I find the subsequent reps easier.
Either way awesome video and a super strong guy. Thanks for posting.
I dont know why people are debating this still. Would we rather have seen a video of him doing 650x10 dead stop deadlifts with perfect form, or 750x10 touch and go? He clearly wasn’t bouncing the weight recklessly, he was training for his sport.
I will disagree with others that touch and go is harder than dead stop. With a touch and go deadlift, its not so much the bounce that makes it easier, but the stretch reflex you get by keeping everything tight. When you set the weight down completely you lose this. Its the same thing as a box squat or pressing in a rack. If you press in a rack, and lower the weight and completely rest it on the pins it will be much harder to lift it than if you were benching to your chest or boards.
So derek may have been doing this also to train his stretch reflex for a deadlifting event that requires a stretch reflex (powerlifting deadlifts dont benefit from a stretch reflex because you only perform one rep). Or, it looks like his weak point is right around mid shin and lockout, so he’s hitting reps to train this weakness.
I need to get my deadlift up more, but definately see some sets of 10 in my future.
