Thanks for the tag! Here’s some thoughts, in no particular order:
If you loved Program X, there is a continuation called Program Y. I’ve never done it, so can’t vouch for it, but it was meant to be phase 2.
Creeping Death 2 was supposedly one of John’s favorite choices for cutting and it is very high-volume; that might be right up your alley. I didn’t love it as much as some others simply because the push days get crazy long and I’m disgusting bored by the end.
Gamma Bomb was absolutely awesome. Maybe my favorite program. I think it’s also a fine program for cutting because the “pump” day covers half your body at a time and is typically a lot of circuit stuff, while the main days are short enough that you can go hard and still have some time to do some cardio. It’s also relatively high on the volume scale, but the split spread that over the week better for me.
If you like high volume and conjugate + mountain dog, you could look at “Unity.” I recently survived that one, but wouldn’t say I thrived - it was a little too much for me. The leg days were some of the most awesome gym days I’ve had, though.
I am always a huge fan of everything Alsruhe on paper, and then freaking hate it in the gym. I’m starting to think it’s all the (what I consider) goofy movements/ how much I have to substitute. You do like writing your own programs, though… it would be kind of interesting to see a Mountain Dog/ Alsruhe…
Let day would start with a circuit of leg curls, leg extensions, adductors… then jumps, squats, abs… and finish with leg press, rdl, lunges.
Chest/ shoulders day could be DB press, rear delts, abs… plyo pu, incline press, rear delts… machine press, overhead press, dips
Back day something like one-arm BB row, Meadows row, calves… KB swing, deadlift, pull-ups… stretch pull-downs, pullovers, hypers
Arms - whatevs… easy to superset
If you really like volume, and you’re leaning down, I’ve long hypothesized that you could grow one bodypart at a time while still cutting calories. In that case, onslaught or taskmaster would both suit you well. I’ve done both and liked them both. They’re also different enough it might keep you amused (I’m stagnant lately, so that might just be a me need).
You’d mentioned “Reactive Pump” (which is muscular demolition)… maybe give that a go? It’s a classic for his methods for sure.
@Andrewgen_Receptors almost has me convinced to try Fortitude Training (almost…), so I’ll report back in a week when I start a program again and let you know if I wrapped my head around anything else. I’d really like to hear your thoughts on any of this or what fancy strikes you.
Are you on his FB page? He listed it there a long time ago. I don’t know who is selling his programs these days, so I don’t know who to tell you to email. I guess probably Cris Edmonds.
Thanks for the detailed answer, yesterday evening I hastlity answered. I did the first 3 or 4 weeks of gamma bomb at some point. I still remember the 3 x 25 shoulder stuff on the pump days, awesome!
CD feels like Colossus with extra volume, probably too much.
Glanced at the first week of program Y and it looks like a cut and paste of program X
I feel I want something I havent done yet, or more likely, I want to lift heavy shit ahah. I haven’t deadlifted in ages. Truth is, I feel a bit weak.
UGHHHH why do we want everyting? Strength, size and leanness
I still have to say, my whole back is sore AF from saturday’s session
I think I’m gonna go with Reactive Pump. The conjugate is too strong in me. I see chains and shit like that, I’m in.
Squat is used for speed work before crazy leg press: I love it.
I feel weak in general, and have been for years ahah!
Current SBD (estimated)
S: 150 high bar no problem. I think I could 160 low bar but ughhh my elbows (I did 160 zercher without too much trouble a few weeks ago)
B: 125. I think I could 130 on a good day
S: 210 for sure. But I had more in me. 220 doesn’t seem unrealistic. This is the lift I’m most sure I could hit, but I’ve done very few deadlifts lately (though a 8 x 170 RDL BIG PR recently)
I feel I have gained strength but I haven’t practiced the real lifts in a while, you feel me? But in any case, I still feel weak for a guy with my training experience
I totally get it. I often feel the same way. You’re pretty lean, though, so you’ve long had a different focus.
I find, for myself, I have to stop worrying about those when I want to lose weight. I can’t just not care when I suck at something, so I do like when programming takes care of it for me; like all the switching around of conjugate, I don’t “know” what I should be able to do.
Last year I actually created a program based on the motor skill part, also used by Martins Licis… But I want to avoid jumps and shit for now. Right knee is a bit swollen from cardio.
Meh, even when I get fat
I feel you! I just want to able to hit 3 plates bench, 4 plates squat, and 5 plates deadlifts. Dead is ok, but bench and especially squat feel unreachable lolz
I have a question about the back day though. For the deadlift, he wants us to ramp to our 10RM, then add chains and do set of 3. And in the end do a crazy set of 20-25 reps. How???
Is this reactive pump? I kind of blow off the 10RM before adding chains stuff, and base my weight on the latter recommendation about “when speed slows down”. Even so, 20 reps still gets pretty out of reach for me by that point. Maybe a dozen or so.
I just put the chains on that I’m going to put on, ramp up about to where I have to “think about it” to get the reps, and then go with the all-out set.
My favorite way is what you describe - ramp up to something heavish, then do a backoff.
Aerobic thing on the OFF days for 45 mins, using circuits.
But today I was so tired… Probably because I snoozed off or something else. But I was thinking, maybe I’m doing too much? Maybe one session will be enough? I’m already doing 15000+ steps every day no exceptions
And damn, the speed work priming you up for the leg press rrrrrr it gives me ideas it felt so great
I’m on the opposite end of you. I love the Meadows stuff, by far my favorite way to lift. I want to add more cardio, though, and then I start getting meh about the lifting, which I don’t like. It’s tough to balance.